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Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

Transyl wrote:I'm a Wiccan, and I am neutral towards other religions. But one things I cannot stand is when Atheists, and certain religions try to say that they're better or that they have the 'correct' beliefs. Whenever I see people like that, I immediately get pissed off because there is no 'correct' religion or belief and such.

Wiccan* .....seriously. Wiccan*

Look I'm typing with only one hand, and its my left hand. My bad, sheesh.

Zottistan wrote:

Transyl wrote:I'm a Wicca, and I am neutral towards other religions. But one things I cannot stand is when Atheists, and certain religions try to say that they're better or that they have the 'correct' beliefs. Whenever I see people like that, I immediately get pissed off because there is no 'correct' religion or belief and such.

Of course there's a correct set of religious beliefs.

We just don't know which ones.

Maybe.

Transyl wrote:

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

Wiccan* .....seriously. Wiccan*

Look I'm typing with only one hand, and its my left hand. My bad, sheesh.

Except you ALWAYS, say I am a Wicca. Wicca is the religion, Wiccans are the adherents.

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

Transyl wrote:Look I'm typing with only one hand, and its my left hand. My bad, sheesh.

Except you ALWAYS, say I am a Wicca. Wicca is the religion, Wiccans are the adherents.

Well when you type as fast as I do, you're bound to make mistakes.

Transyl wrote:

Creepoc Infinite wrote:You know fucking well that that's not an argument I make for religions not being true.
Religions don't make any logical sense to me, so when people claim it does, that frustrates me.
It's ONE OF the reasons I have little patience for religious arguments.

And I'm only pissed off right now because if an unrelated discussion I was having with my teacher about why I'm not doing their class work (nothing to do with this site)
And that other guy claiming I know nothing about religion and know nothing about the details, and me being narcisistic or whatever.

Sorry but every damn time someone calls me full of myself, arrogant or narcisistic, it is so damn annoying because of how many times people say that about me when it's not true.

I kind of agree with the fact that you most likely know nothing about religion, and if you do then you just choose to ignore the information and continue with calling them illogical. And you do sound like your narcissistic , due to the fact that you feel like your correct about everything you say and you thinking Atheism is logical. If this isn't arguing, then it must be a debate. And if you really are pissed, just remember you created this discussion.

I am not narcissistic. And I'm tired of everyone calling me that.
Jesus, are people more shortsighted than I thought? (Not directed at you)
I've been told I was smarter than my piers since I was in kindergarten, and you know what? They were right.
But this is the internet, I may be better than my piers, but I'm not stupid enough to claim that I am better than you people. This is the internet, where both smarter and dumber people are both logged on.

Zottistan wrote:

Transyl wrote:I'm a Wicca, and I am neutral towards other religions. But one things I cannot stand is when Atheists, and certain religions try to say that they're better or that they have the 'correct' beliefs. Whenever I see people like that, I immediately get pissed off because there is no 'correct' religion or belief and such.

Of course there's a correct set of religious beliefs.

We just don't know which ones.

It is entirely possible for all the religions to be wrong.

It still bleeds over into your words though. We get it you're of above average intelligence.

Zottistan wrote:

Transyl wrote:I'm a Wicca, and I am neutral towards other religions. But one things I cannot stand is when Atheists, and certain religions try to say that they're better or that they have the 'correct' beliefs. Whenever I see people like that, I immediately get pissed off because there is no 'correct' religion or belief and such.

Of course there's a correct set of religious beliefs.

We just don't know which ones.

an, it's a great possibility everyone is wrong and there is no deities out there or that everyone is wrong and it's some other deity we don't know about yet.

Transyl wrote:

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Except you ALWAYS, say I am a Wicca. Wicca is the religion, Wiccans are the adherents.

Well when you type as fast as I do, you're bound to make mistakes.

Fine, it's just kinda funny when you figuratively kicked in the door of the CDT saying we know nothing of Wicca.

Creepoc Infinite wrote:

Zottistan wrote:Of course there's a correct set of religious beliefs.

We just don't know which ones.

an, it's a great possibility everyone is wrong and there is no deities out there or that everyone is wrong and it's some other deity we don't know about yet.

The Marklars. They have it right.

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:It still bleeds over into your words though. We get it you're of above average intelligence.

We're you talking to me?
Usually when someone says something I automatically think they're talking to me.
So could you please specify?

Creepoc Infinite wrote:

Transyl wrote:I kind of agree with the fact that you most likely know nothing about religion, and if you do then you just choose to ignore the information and continue with calling them illogical. And you do sound like your narcissistic , due to the fact that you feel like your correct about everything you say and you thinking Atheism is logical. If this isn't arguing, then it must be a debate. And if you really are pissed, just remember you created this discussion.

I am not narcissistic. And I'm tired of everyone calling me that.
Jesus, are people more shortsighted than I thought? (Not directed at you)
I've been told I was smarter than my piers since I was in kindergarten, and you know what? They were right.
But this is the internet, I may be better than my piers, but I'm not stupid enough to claim that I am better than you people. This is the internet, where both smarter and dumber people are both logged on.

Maybe if you would stop claiming that religion is illogical and such, and that Atheism is logical and that your right, maybe people would stop calling you a narcissist. If you don't then it will continue to happen.

Creepoc Infinite wrote:

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:It still bleeds over into your words though. We get it you're of above average intelligence.

We're you talking to me?
Usually when someone says something I automatically think they're talking to me.
So could you please specify?

R
Your attitude of superiority. You're clearly used to being smarter than the people around you. It bleeds into everything you say whether you think your smarter than us or not. So you come off as dismissive and narcissistic

Transyl wrote:

Creepoc Infinite wrote:I am not narcissistic. And I'm tired of everyone calling me that.
Jesus, are people more shortsighted than I thought? (Not directed at you)
I've been told I was smarter than my piers since I was in kindergarten, and you know what? They were right.
But this is the internet, I may be better than my piers, but I'm not stupid enough to claim that I am better than you people. This is the internet, where both smarter and dumber people are both logged on.

Maybe if you would stop claiming that religion is illogical and such, and that Atheism is logical and that your right, maybe people would stop calling you a narcissist. If you don't then it will continue to happen.

What are you talking about?
I didn't say that religion was objectively illogical.
It doesn't make any sense to ME.

Suggesting you change the title to Anti-Christians vs Christians since actual atheists don't believe in evolution. I've spoken to a few and they all claim that those that glorify science are not real atheists because they praise science as a higher power. A god to compete against other gods.

Also, since it urks me that you didn't consider it. But most of your foundation for "Christians tend to not use any scientific facts." is based off of the misconception that a christian can not be a scientist.

I've been skimming through the conversation and there are some either dedicated or stringent people here who adhere to their dearly held beliefs or unbelief.

I'm an atheist. Simple as that. For the questionable acts and atrocities that have continuously allowed to be committed by a "Higher Power", Deity, Entity, or however you view a cosmic/galactic power, I personally think even if they did exist then they shouldn't get the respect that they demand or the forced contribution through guilt.

Contradictions are riddled throughout these "Historical" Religious texts and Fictitious Stories. Now call me Mr. Literal here, but honestly, do people believe and act out every day of their lives devoted to something they believe in? No! Of course not! Because people have better things to concentrate on and it seems rather demanding that a supreme being would harbor either a deep impassioned resentment towards us for the consequences of our ancestors that have long since passed.

I also recognize the not so commendable acts of these alleged beings as well. The realization of multiple contradictions such as "I will send myself down on a mortal being instead of my current presence and let myself be known, and then kill myself so that I may receive praise and in turn shall reward those who "Accept" me as their domineering overseer and overlord." - Summery of the Life of Jesus.

Not to mention celebrations on solstices, Virgin births, resurrections, revelations and mandated responses that only certain particular people may understand and interpret their meanings, conquests in the name of their deities, slavery, chastising people for their natural body curiosity, women as property or that have a lesser capability because of the subjected and narrow minded views of masculine figures in society, Ect.

And if there was a being in an universe such as ours, why would he focus on us rather than the grander scheme of things? But, alright, lets say our self-centered nature prevails and we forget that previous sentence, natural disasters, diseases, wars, vicious attacks from feral animals, accidents, slavery, Ect. Are all examples that could be prevented had there been an intervention to prevent the devastating effects, but no. We're just left here to sit and ponder if there really is a consciousness beyond the boundaries of this ever expanding universe.

Also, the indoctrination methods. Everyone is born into this world an atheist. No one has ever been born with a religious symbol in their hands to my knowledge. Nor are they aware of their environment for quite some time after that. Comprehension slowly develops throughout a lifetime and the most susceptible are young children. Even if you think it's true that there's a being out there, that doesn't mean later in life when the children become informed and educated individuals, that they'll think that it is.

And if you have questions regarding, "Well if that's what you think then we shouldn't allow schools to teach Evolution!" or something similar, then I'll tell you. Science is regarded as fact and ever expanding and progressing. It's an imperfect perfect. It only contributes to the ever increasing knowledge of our universe. It only caters for the betterment of humanity as a whole. It doesn't answer to something that it has no evidence to support the existence of and that in a sense is the purest form of human intelligence in this day and age.

So before anyone goes on a blistering tirade, or rant on how I'm wrong or anything along the lines of those presumptions, ask yourself, if someone fires a gun at someone and kills them, whom is responsible?

Sauvage wrote:Suggesting you change the title to Anti-Christians vs Christians since actual atheists don't believe in evolution. I've spoken to a few and they all claim that those that glorify science are not real atheists because they praise science as a higher power. A god to compete against other gods.

Also, since it urks me that you didn't consider it. But most of your foundation for "Christians tend to not use any scientific facts." is based off of the misconception that a christian can not be a scientist.

I actually just wrote a research paper on how Genesis and modern science are completely compatible. Science and Religion aren't mutually exclusive. In fact their harmonious.

The Third Nova Terra of Scrin wrote:

Warpspace wrote:Atheism has one simple advantage. It isn't a religion.

As with any form of theistic religion, the major con is that it lacks any factual evidence pointing to as to why you should bother investing in something that can't stand up to the scientific method.

There never was an instance of the scientific method disproving theistic religion.

It constantly does. There is no scientific evidence to support Christianity at all. Christians first have to prove their deity even fucking exists- which is going to be hard considering there's more evidence to support the existence of Bigfoot or the Yeti.

Russell's Teapot. I don't have to disprove shit, as it's impossible to prove a negative. Yahweh still needs to be solidly proven through the scientific method. Until that point it remains superstitious bullshit without a shred of competent evidence to support its existence besides hearsay.

Logic does not ever state that "I Believe". That right there is the inherent, crippling flaw of all religion.

Christianity offers someone peace of heart. Atheism offers you nothing. That's why there's an "a" in the word.

But religion has nothing to do with pro's and cons... or it shouldn't.

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

Creepoc Infinite wrote:We're you talking to me?
Usually when someone says something I automatically think they're talking to me.
So could you please specify?

R
Your attitude of superiority. You're clearly used to being smarter than the people around you. It bleeds into everything you say whether you think your smarter than us or not. So you come off as dismissive and narcissistic

I won't argue with that. I am really smarter than my piers.
If I come off as dismissive when someone uses a certain argument, it's because I've already gone over the argument a billion times before.
As for arrogant, that merely has to do with my social situation.

Creepoc Infinite wrote:

Zottistan wrote:Of course there's a correct set of religious beliefs.

We just don't know which ones.

an, it's a great possibility everyone is wrong and there is no deities out there or that everyone is wrong and it's some other deity we don't know about yet.

All of which would be sets of religious beliefs. Including atheism, even if it isn't a religion in itself.

Sauvage wrote:Suggesting you change the title to Anti-Christians vs Christians since actual atheists don't believe in evolution. I've spoken to a few and they all claim that those that glorify science are not real atheists because they praise science as a higher power. A god to compete against other gods.

Also, since it urks me that you didn't consider it. But most of your foundation for "Christians tend to not use any scientific facts." is based off of the misconception that a christian can not be a scientist.

I don't "Praise" science, but I am grateful towards the individuals that spend countless hours in laboratories and observatories that help further our understanding of the universe and of course, help us solve practical problems.

I don't "Believe" in evolution either, I acknowledge it as a fact. And from what I can recall, in religions across the board, Gods are used to compare and judge as well, whose has the "Correct" version of a god or being. It's a gigantic sausage fest.

Sauvage wrote:Suggesting you change the title to Anti-Christians vs Christians since actual atheists don't believe in evolution. I've spoken to a few and they all claim that those that glorify science are not real atheists because they praise science as a higher power. A god to compete against other gods.

Also, since it urks me that you didn't consider it. But most of your foundation for "Christians tend to not use any scientific facts." is based off of the misconception that a christian can not be a scientist.

No, because what you said is stupid.
If you wanna know why I think that.
I've gone over this a billion times over with other people.

You can't worship science. What about that can't people understand?

Warpspace wrote:

The Third Nova Terra of Scrin wrote:
There never was an instance of the scientific method disproving theistic religion.

It constantly does. There is no scientific evidence to support Christianity at all. Christians first have to prove their deity even fucking exists- which is going to be hard considering there's more evidence to support the existence of Bigfoot or the Yeti.

Russell's Teapot. I don't have to disprove shit, as it's impossible to prove a negative. Yahweh still needs to be solidly proven through the scientific method. Until that point it remains superstitious bullshit without a shred of competent evidence to support its existence besides hearsay.

Logic does not ever state that "I Believe". That right there is the inherent, crippling flaw of all religion.

Russell's teapot is a logic statement and a shitty one at that. Not a scientific principle. Science can't prove God exists and it can't disprove God exists either.

Zottistan wrote:

Creepoc Infinite wrote:an, it's a great possibility everyone is wrong and there is no deities out there or that everyone is wrong and it's some other deity we don't know about yet.

All of which would be sets of religious beliefs. Including atheism, even if it isn't a religion in itself.

By that logic any opinion or lack thereof is a religious one.
If atheism is a religion or religious, then so is football and comic con