Atheism vs. Christianity

[Tarsonis Survivors]

People did that, not peaceful religion

Christianity isn't too peaceful.
Psalm 58:10 would be a good example of that.

It's about an oppressed people cying out for deliverance by their God. Violence begets violence.

[Celritannia]

People did that, not peaceful religion

Christianity isn't too peaceful.
Psalm 58:10 would be a good example of that.

"Thou shalt not kill" pro-lifers say, however:

Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”

And more.

[The Rich Port]

I dunno.

All religions have the same logical and philosophical problems by their very definition.

It all goes back to the question of whether morality can be objective without a god.

I think it can, but only if humanity makes a concerted effort to do so, and that concerted effort has yet to take place explicitly because of theism.

And I'm sure geography, economics, resources and race have nothing to do with it.

And religion has never influenced economics or racial prejudice, amirite?

Christianity isn't too peaceful.
Psalm 58:10 would be a good example of that.

It's about an oppressed people cying out for deliverance by their God. Violence begets violence.

... Are you saying the Jews had the Holocaust coming, then?

[The Cobalt Sky]

Christianity isn't too peaceful.
Psalm 58:10 would be a good example of that.

"Thou shalt not kill" pro-lifers say, however:

Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”

And more.

Yeah. God seems to get pretty thug sometimes.

[Pensalum]

Why Christianity in particular? Christianity and atheism aren't opposites. It's like saying "Dairy Products vs. Apples" instead of "Dairy Products vs. Fruits".

Instead, I think the bigger debate is atheism vs. theism.

Though, if you simply want the pros and cons of atheism compared to those of Christianity:

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Atheism: Pros: Relies on empirical evidence rather than speculation, Scientifically based, logical

Cons: Some feel it's too cold or 'empty', though these are merely opinions.

Christianity: Pros: Preaches forgiveness and peace (yeah, yeah, maybe not peaceful in practice but you can't deny the peaceful doctrines, well more so in the new testament than the old), reveres suffering and martyrdom (which could be a pro, though not for everyone), provides hope to its followers.

Cons: Not much empirical evidence, relies a lot on speculation, has a somewhat violent history.

[Immoren]

Depends on religion, doesn't it?

I dunno.

All religions have the same logical and philosophical problems by their very definition.

It all goes back to the question of whether morality can be objective without a god.

I think it can, but only if humanity makes a concerted effort to do so, and that concerted effort has yet to take place explicitly because of theism.

I don't think many gods cared about your morality.

[The Smith Protectorate]

People did that, not peaceful religion

Christianity isn't too peaceful.
Psalm 58:10 would be a good example of that.

I'm pretty sure that the book of John is a pretty god reason why Christians shouldn't kill and Romans 15:1 through 5 teaches tolerance to all.

[Immoren]

Christianity isn't too peaceful.
Psalm 58:10 would be a good example of that.

"Thou shalt not kill" pro-lifers say, however:

Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”

And more.

Christians are not yahwists.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

If humanity were to make an effort at creating objective morality it would defeat the purpose. Any morality humanity would create would be subjective not objective.


Even if all of humanity agreed it would still be subjective.

There's already a problem of definitions when it comes to subjective and objective in terms of atheism vs. religion.

In an atheist perspective, then yes, all morality is subjective, even the ones created by religionists.

And yet, the religionists consider religious morality objective due to the authority of God.

Morality does not need a primary enforcer to be objective. People that believe in God still commit crimes and horrible atrocities, regardless of their motivations and demotivations.

A morality without a fictional enforcer is automatically greater than a morality with one, because then the rules are interpreted on an individual basis.

A morality with a creator is much easier than one without one.


With a creator one can say murder for example is wrong because God the creator of universe decrees it. Murder is objectively wrong through out the universe because the creator of the universe made it so.

Without that, now you have to prove why murder is morally wrong. Worse yet you have to define what morality even is.

In The Abrahamic Religions, morality is easy. Morality is obedience.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

"Thou shalt not kill" pro-lifers say, however:

Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”

And more.

Christians are not yahwists.

Yes they are.

[The Rich Port]

"Thou shalt not kill" pro-lifers say, however:

Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”

And more.

Yeah. God seems to get pretty thug sometimes.

I dunno why the fuck people bring up the Bible anymore. It's morality is incoherent.

It doesn't mean God is "deep", it just means that "God" had to do a shit-ton of editing.

[The Cobalt Sky]

Christianity isn't too peaceful.
Psalm 58:10 would be a good example of that.

It's about an oppressed people cying out for deliverance by their God. Violence begets violence.

And? That was still violent. Genesis 6:7 says not only does he plan on killing people but also he makes mistakes.

[Pensalum]

Yeah. God seems to get pretty thug sometimes.

I dunno why the fuck people bring up the Bible anymore. It's morality is incoherent.

It doesn't mean God is "deep", it just means that "God" had to do a shit-ton of editing.

Probably because it had multiple authors

[Immoren]

Christians are not yahwists.

Yes they are.

Christians are as much yahwists as they are Jews.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Christianity isn't too peaceful.
Psalm 58:10 would be a good example of that.

"Thou shalt not kill" pro-lifers say, however:

Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”

And more.

1. Don't quote evil bible if you want any theist to take you seriously.

2. Thou shalt not kill is better translated thou shalt not commit murder. Murder being killing outside the law.

There is no conflict.

[The Smith Protectorate]

It's about an oppressed people cying out for deliverance by their God. Violence begets violence.

And? That was still violent. Genesis 6:7 says not only does he plan on killing people but also he makes mistakes.

it does not say mistakes, 'repenteth' for his original, perfect creation into our own sin is not his mistake.

[Celritannia]

Christians are not yahwists.

Yes they are.

Indeed they are.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Yes they are.

Christians are as much yahwists as they are Jews.

That's actually a long semantical debate.

[Ceurigan]

You may as well have people compare the pros and cons of chocolate and cheese.

Chocolate wins.

Sorry, friend, but cheese id much better

[The Cobalt Sky]

Yeah. God seems to get pretty thug sometimes.

I dunno why the fuck people bring up the Bible anymore. It's morality is incoherent.

It doesn't mean God is "deep", it just means that "God" had to do a shit-ton of editing.

Although I'm an atheist, I still enjoy reading it and some of the more powerful quotes within it. You ever seen pulp fiction? Ezekiel 25:17. Aww yeah... Although I agree, it is from an older time without a lot of science, and should be treated as such.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I dunno why the fuck people bring up the Bible anymore. It's morality is incoherent.

It doesn't mean God is "deep", it just means that "God" had to do a shit-ton of editing.

Probably because it had multiple authors

God Crowd sourced. He's fucking busy.

[Celritannia]

Chocolate wins.

Sorry, friend, but cheese id much better

Chocolate cheesecake
I win.

[The Rich Port]

"Thou shalt not kill" pro-lifers say, however:

Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”

And more.

1. Don't quote evil bible if you want any theist to take you seriously.

2. Thou shalt not kill is better translated thou shalt not commit murder. Murder being killing outside the law.

There is no conflict.

Yeah, because the contradictions in religious texts should not be analyzed.

There's PLENTY of conflict, especially considering we're living in a republic that has almost completely outlawed executions.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I dunno why the fuck people bring up the Bible anymore. It's morality is incoherent.

It doesn't mean God is "deep", it just means that "God" had to do a shit-ton of editing.

Although I'm an atheist, I still enjoy reading it and some of the more powerful quotes within it. You ever seen pulp fiction? Ezekiel 25:17. Aww yeah... Although I agree, it is from an older time without a lot of science, and should be treated as such.

Not a correct quote. Terantino edited it to make it more badass.

[Pensalum]

Probably because it had multiple authors

God Crowd sourced. He's fucking busy.

Yeah, seriously, what do you expect? The guy's not all powerful or anything sheesh.