Atheism vs. Christianity

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Except for as Descartes said "I think there for I am" there may be no point to existence as Nihilism would suggest, but regardless you're here. So you might as well live as to what makes your existence better, instead of worse.

If there is no value in pleasure or pain, there is no reason to prefer one to the other, and, thus, no reason to live well.

except that pain hurts while pleasure doesn't. value doesn't have to have anything to do with it. Jesus

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

If there is no value in pleasure or pain, there is no reason to prefer one to the other, and, thus, no reason to live well.

except that pain hurts while pleasure doesn't. value doesn't have to have anything to do with it. Jesus

What does pain hurting have anything to do with it? Pain hurts, but that alone does not provide me a reaason to avoid it.

[Ripoll]

HE'S LIVING ON THE INSIDE ROARING LIKE A LION.

Stop shouting. Or should I say... Roaring?

O MY GOD HE TYPED IN ALL CAPS HE'S TOTALLY LIKE UPSET AND HAS A NEGATIVE TONE OF VOICE RIGHT NOW WHEN TYPING EVEN THOUGH HE PROBABLY JUST PUSHED THE ALL CAPS BUTTON AND LIKE WROTE STUFF MAN WHY AM I YELLING AT YOU, IM NOT I HAVEN;T SAID ANYTHING ARRHHH CAPSLOCK IS NO BUENO

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Stop shouting. Or should I say... Roaring?

O MY GOD HE TYPED IN ALL CAPS HE'S TOTALLY LIKE UPSET AND HAS A NEGATIVE TONE OF VOICE RIGHT NOW WHEN TYPING EVEN THOUGH HE PROBABLY JUST PUSHED THE ALL CAPS BUTTON AND LIKE WROTE STUFF MAN WHY AM I YELLING AT YOU, IM NOT I HAVEN;T SAID ANYTHING ARRHHH CAPSLOCK IS NO BUENO

And what is the purpose of using all capitals? To express some extreme emotion. It is just like shouting, you can explain how he is shouting, the structure of the lungs and throat and all, but that isn't tell us why he is shouting.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

except that pain hurts while pleasure doesn't. value doesn't have to have anything to do with it. Jesus

What does pain hurting have anything to do with it? Pain hurts, but that alone does not provide me a reaason to avoid it.

Well, then you're cool? I dunno. Pain having no value provides every reason to avoid it. In fact it would have to have value for me to not avoid it.

[The Cobalt Sky]

Stop shouting. Or should I say... Roaring?

O MY GOD HE TYPED IN ALL CAPS HE'S TOTALLY LIKE UPSET AND HAS A NEGATIVE TONE OF VOICE RIGHT NOW WHEN TYPING EVEN THOUGH HE PROBABLY JUST PUSHED THE ALL CAPS BUTTON AND LIKE WROTE STUFF MAN WHY AM I YELLING AT YOU, IM NOT I HAVEN;T SAID ANYTHING ARRHHH CAPSLOCK IS NO BUENO

I was joking.

OR WAS I?

[Sociobiology]

except that pain hurts while pleasure doesn't. value doesn't have to have anything to do with it. Jesus

What does pain hurting have anything to do with it? Pain hurts, but that alone does not provide me a reaason to avoid it.

except pain is basically your brains way of saying avoid this behavior in the future.
It is one of the basic emotions your brain is built to calculate using.

[Warpspace]

there is no point. that's the point.

If there is no point, then there is no reason why any rational being would affirm life, pleasure, happiness, etc.

Because while objectively sex is just the function of reproduction to continue the species. Subjectively it feels good. If everything is pointless, then there is also no reason why to not simply to do what is most pleasurable and enjoyable for the time being of life.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

What does pain hurting have anything to do with it? Pain hurts, but that alone does not provide me a reaason to avoid it.

except pain is basically your brains way of saying avoid this behavior in the future.
It is one of the basic emotions your brain is built to calculate using.

He's trying to be highly philosophical and failing miserably.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

What does pain hurting have anything to do with it? Pain hurts, but that alone does not provide me a reaason to avoid it.

except pain is basically your brains way of saying avoid this behavior in the future.
It is one of the basic emotions your brain is built to calculate using.

Which is not a reason.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

except pain is basically your brains way of saying avoid this behavior in the future.
It is one of the basic emotions your brain is built to calculate using.

Which is not a reason.

yes it is. No one is buying your faux high mindedness

[Sociobiology]

except pain is basically your brains way of saying avoid this behavior in the future.
It is one of the basic emotions your brain is built to calculate using.

Which is not a reason.

its the only reason you do anything.

[Western-Ukraine]

Christianity is absolutely better. Atheism is belief in nothing. Christianity promises us salvation and a place in heaven for those who believe in the god. What does atheism have to give but bitter claims of god not existing?

[Risottia]

Atheism is belief in nothing.

No, Atheism is lack of belief in any deity. I could believe that Karen Gillan will jump straight into my bed tonight and turn me into her personal TARDIS and this belief wouldn't make me any less of an Atheist. Delusional, though.

By the way, Christianity is already 99.999% Atheism: they believe in just one deity and claim that all the other ones don't exist.

[The Borderline Borderlands]

Christianity is absolutely better. Atheism is belief in nothing. Christianity promises us salvation and a place in heaven for those who believe in the god. What does atheism have to give but bitter claims of god not existing?

Christianity offers nothing but empty promises, and expects blind obedience in return.

Atheism isn't a belief, it is simply the acknowledgement of the fact that divinity is a worthless construct of the imagination.

[Western-Ukraine]

Christianity is absolutely better. Atheism is belief in nothing. Christianity promises us salvation and a place in heaven for those who believe in the god. What does atheism have to give but bitter claims of god not existing?

Christianity offers nothing but empty promises, and expects blind obedience in return.

Atheism isn't a belief, it is simply the acknowledgement of the fact that divinity is a worthless construct of the imagination.

Christianity has something to promise which atheism cannot promise so weak as it is. Atheism shows very low self confidence in not trusting that god will save you. And there is no reason to say that Christianity is a construct of imagination.

[Risottia]

Christianity has something to promise which atheism cannot promise so weak as it is.

Anyone can promise stuff. Even Berlusconi can.

The point is: are we sure those promises are going to be kept? How do we know that?

Atheism shows very low self confidence in not trusting that god will save you.

That's not self-confidence. Is confidence in something you have no way of knowing for sure.

And there is no reason to say that Christianity is a construct of imagination.

Have you measured your deity?

[Western-Ukraine]

Christianity has something to promise which atheism cannot promise so weak as it is.

Anyone can promise stuff. Even Berlusconi can.

The point is: are we sure those promises are going to be kept? How do we know that?

Atheism shows very low self confidence in not trusting that god will save you.

That's not self-confidence. Is confidence in something you have no way of knowing for sure.

And there is no reason to say that Christianity is a construct of imagination.

Have you measured your deity?

I know those promises will be kept because of Jesus' sacrifice to save the humankind.
A man with no self-confidence couldn't believe in god.
I don't need to measure. I trust.

[Sociobiology]

Christianity is absolutely better. Atheism is belief in nothing. Christianity promises us salvation and a place in heaven for those who believe in the god. What does atheism have to give but bitter claims of god not existing?

truth, honesty, self-worth, self-responsibility, self-actualization, that your actions having meaning.

[Sociobiology]

Anyone can promise stuff. Even Berlusconi can.

The point is: are we sure those promises are going to be kept? How do we know that?


That's not self-confidence. Is confidence in something you have no way of knowing for sure.


Have you measured your deity?

I know those promises will be kept because of Jesus' sacrifice to save the humankind.

So you claim evidence.

A man with no self-confidence couldn't believe in god.

actually a man with no self-confidence would believe in god because that is what he is told to believe.

I don't need to measure. I trust.

just as many trust in Odin, Vishnu, The Buddha, and a million other gods. Why is yours any different?

[Western-Ukraine]

Christianity is absolutely better. Atheism is belief in nothing. Christianity promises us salvation and a place in heaven for those who believe in the god. What does atheism have to give but bitter claims of god not existing?

truth, honesty, self-worth, self-responsibility, self-actualization, that your actions having meaning.

Self-responsibility? A human being cannot be responsible for all he does. A human is weak in god's eyes.

[Risottia]

I know those promises will be kept because of Jesus' sacrifice to save the humankind.

Now prove it. Prove that sacrifice actually happened. Prove that "saved humankind". No, written words in books aren't proof.

A man with no self-confidence couldn't believe in god.

Again, you're mistaking confidence in a deity with confidence in oneself. Unless you're claiming to be your own deity.

I don't need to measure. I trust.

Then you do not know for sure.

QED.

[Sociobiology]

truth, honesty, self-worth, self-responsibility, self-actualization, that your actions having meaning.

Self-responsibility? A human being cannot be responsible for all he does. A human is weak in god's eyes.

which is why an atheist would have a stronger sense self-responsibility.

[Western-Ukraine]

I know those promises will be kept because of Jesus' sacrifice to save the humankind.

Now prove it. Prove that sacrifice actually happened. Prove that "saved humankind". No, written words in books aren't proof.

A man with no self-confidence couldn't believe in god.

Again, you're mistaking confidence in a deity with confidence in oneself. Unless you're claiming to be your own deity.

I don't need to measure. I trust.

Then you do not know for sure.

QED.

If no written words in books are proofs then how can you believe anything?

[The Borderline Borderlands]

If no written words in books are proofs then how can you believe anything?

Through falsification. When a claim is made, examine the evidence.

Christianity makes myriad claims, claims that either have no evidence, or which are flat out contradicted by the evidence.

You'd be better off putting your faith in a broken clock. At least those are right on occasion.