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Postby Pope Joan » Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:11 am

I personally think Christians have done and will do more organized work for the common good. Where did many of our universities come from in America? Hospitals?

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Postby Creepoc Infinite » Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:14 am

Pope Joan wrote:I personally think Christians have done and will do more organized work for the common good. Where did many of our universities come from in America? Hospitals?

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I have no doubt about that.
There does seem to be a humanitarian community within the religion.

That and it appears that Christians do more charity and whatnot because they are more widespread and organized.
Atheists are not nearly as widespread or organized, therefore our help, although just as, if not more helpful, does not reach as many people.
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Postby Celritannia » Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:38 am

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And? I don't see him hating Homosexual marriage, refusing rights of a person, saying 'Atheists have not done anything for society'.
You know who else was a Roman Catholic? Hitler ;)

Remember, next time you go to the doctors, or the hospital because you are sick, God wanted you to be ill for a reason.
And being cured by the people who have discovered medicines, who a lot of them were probably atheists.

Hitler was an atheist. Not all Christians are anti-gay "marriage". And most early medicine discoveries were made by Christians.

You know who was an atheist? Che Guevara, Fidel Castro, Kim Jong-Un , Stalin, and Mao


Hitler was a Roman Catholic actually.

Also, are you forgetting the Hippocratic oath? The oath established by the Greeks? What about the Egyptians? Ancient Chinese? Native Americans? And as others pointed out, pagans and muslims.
I studied the history of Medicine in GCSE history, and I can tell you the hunter gatherers used plants and herbs for various medical needs.
Have some evidence.
Christians in the middle ages usually said it was God causing the illness. But Muslims at the same time were using spices. Infact, ancient Chinese Alchemists were using many forms of plants to cure common diseases and ailments. This is proved throughout non-christian ancient cultures.
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Postby Skinia » Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:06 am

What the fuck kind of dichotomy is this? Christianity versus atheism? How about atheism vs. theism, which the actual dichotomy is?
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Postby Creepoc Infinite » Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:13 am

Skinia wrote:What the fuck kind of dichotomy is this? Christianity versus atheism? How about atheism vs. theism, which the actual dichotomy is?

I chose to make it atheism vs Christianity seeing as the are the two sides who have the most to say in America on this topic.

Besides, I usually only use Christianity as an example in my augments, and so does everyone else.
I have no clue how I other religions come into the frailty.
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Postby Skinia » Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:19 am

Creepoc Infinite wrote:
Skinia wrote:What the fuck kind of dichotomy is this? Christianity versus atheism? How about atheism vs. theism, which the actual dichotomy is?

I chose to make it atheism vs Christianity seeing as the are the two sides who have the most to say in America on this topic.

Antitheist here giving the Bible the lighter. A lack of belief in gods versus a collection of religious beliefs and moral standpoints which require great faith and are extremely reprehensible and has been passed down from generation to generation by indoctrination and conquest. Gee, I wonder which one wins.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:24 pm

Creepoc Infinite wrote:
Skinia wrote:What the fuck kind of dichotomy is this? Christianity versus atheism? How about atheism vs. theism, which the actual dichotomy is?

I chose to make it atheism vs Christianity seeing as the are the two sides who have the most to say in America on this topic.

Besides, I usually only use Christianity as an example in my augments, and so does everyone else.
I have no clue how I other religions come into the frailty.


It's funny how you try to foster "thoughtful discussion" on religion, and each time it becomes so evident that you actually know very little on the subject.

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... What?

Well you stated your profession might conflict with people receiving the gifts of god so obviously you are a Temple prostitute *nods*.
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Postby Menassa » Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:25 pm

Creepoc Infinite wrote:
Menassa wrote:Nope.
It's Chuck Testa.

I've always thought of Judaism as a kind of proto-Christianity.

That's offensive to both Judaism and Christianity.

Creepoc Infinite wrote:Their dogma has roots in Judaism right?

That question is rather vague.

Creepoc Infinite wrote:I'm no expert on Judaism but I can still at least acknowledge that they come from the same "tree"?

No, Modern Christianity and Judaism are two entirely different religions.
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Postby Warpspace » Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:27 pm

Atheism has one simple advantage. It isn't a religion.

As with any form of theistic religion, the major con is that it lacks any factual evidence pointing to as to why you should bother investing in something that can't stand up to the scientific method.
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Postby Creepoc Infinite » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:04 am

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Creepoc Infinite wrote:I chose to make it atheism vs Christianity seeing as the are the two sides who have the most to say in America on this topic.

Besides, I usually only use Christianity as an example in my augments, and so does everyone else.
I have no clue how I other religions come into the frailty.


It's funny how you try to foster "thoughtful discussion" on religion, and each time it becomes so evident that you actually know very little on the subject.

I know about Christianity.
As for other religions, I couldn't care less about them.
I don't know much about Islam, nor do I care about Islam.
I don't know about Hinduism nor do I care about it
I don't know anything substantial about any other religion nor do I really care.

I am only interested in Christianity and Judaism because they are the only ones that have any real potential to affect my everyday life.

I am more interested in atheism than all of them and put more thought into atheism than other religions.

The main reason why I don't know much about most religions or care about them is because is don't have the time or patience to. Im 17 years old and I'm focussing more on writing a book and learning about filmmaking.
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Postby Sociobiology » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:31 am

Creepoc Infinite wrote:
Menassa wrote:Nope.
It's Chuck Testa.

I've always thought of Judaism as a kind of proto-Christianity.
Their dogma has roots in Judaism right?


It is a lot like humans and chimps, they share a common ancestor but one did not evolve from the other. The ancestor might superficially look more like one than the other but it is just as different from both. then you get bonobos which in this analogy would be islam.
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Postby Creepoc Infinite » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:35 am

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Creepoc Infinite wrote:I've always thought of Judaism as a kind of proto-Christianity.
Their dogma has roots in Judaism right?


It is a lot like humans and chimps, they share a common ancestor but one did not evolve from the other. The ancestor might superficially look more like one than the other but it is just as different from both. then you get bonobos which in this analogy would be islam.

That's kind of what I was trying to say.
I agree with you analogy
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Postby The Third Nova Terra of Scrin » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:48 am

Warpspace wrote:Atheism has one simple advantage. It isn't a religion.

As with any form of theistic religion, the major con is that it lacks any factual evidence pointing to as to why you should bother investing in something that can't stand up to the scientific method.


There never was an instance of the scientific method disproving theistic religion.
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Postby The Third Nova Terra of Scrin » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:51 am

Creepoc Infinite wrote:
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It is a lot like humans and chimps, they share a common ancestor but one did not evolve from the other. The ancestor might superficially look more like one than the other but it is just as different from both. then you get bonobos which in this analogy would be islam.

That's kind of what I was trying to say.
I agree with you analogy


Christianity has roots in Jewish doctrine but it's certainly wrong to claim they're the same.
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Postby Creepoc Infinite » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:53 am

The Third Nova Terra of Scrin wrote:
Creepoc Infinite wrote:That's kind of what I was trying to say.
I agree with you analogy


Christianity has roots in Jewish doctrine but it's certainly wrong to claim they're the same.

I never intended for anyone to think that was what I thought
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Postby The Third Nova Terra of Scrin » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:56 am

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The Third Nova Terra of Scrin wrote:
Christianity has roots in Jewish doctrine but it's certainly wrong to claim they're the same.

I never intended for anyone to think that was what I thought


Pardon?
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Postby Transyl » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:57 am

In a way Atheism and Christianity have no proof to back up what they believe. In fact no religion can actually find good proof of anything they believe, its just not possible unless you have a time machine or were there when it happened, which is not logical in any way. Now I am not saying any religions views are wrong or anything, i'm just saying they have nothing but old documents that could've been fabricated to back them up. It is possible that Christians are correct, or that Atheists are correct, along with any other religion. Further more the only question is, what really happened that created the world, and those that live in it? We may never know. Perhaps there is some proof out there as to what happened, we just haven't found it yet, and until we do religions will continue to argue with each other about who's right and who's wrong. Heck even if we do find proof religions will still argue about it all, even if the proof is standing right in front of them.
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Bunkeranlage wrote:This argument's been going on for 2,000 years.

No it hasn't. Until very recently, declaring oneself atheist was death. Literally. You'd get killed. There's no debate when everybody on one side gets executed.
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The Third Nova Terra of Scrin wrote:
Creepoc Infinite wrote:I never intended for anyone to think that was what I thought


Pardon?

I think some people thought I said Judaism and Christianity are the same.
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Postby The Third Nova Terra of Scrin » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:59 am

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The Third Nova Terra of Scrin wrote:
Pardon?

I think some people thought I said Judaism and Christianity are the same.


Nope, I don't think you said that. I said my comment myself.
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Postby The Third Nova Terra of Scrin » Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:01 am

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Bunkeranlage wrote:This argument's been going on for 2,000 years.

No it hasn't. Until very recently, declaring oneself atheist was death. Literally. You'd get killed. There's no debate when everybody on one side gets executed.


They get to argue before each other with the Spanish Inquisition until the time of the execution arrives, Olthar.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:28 am

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It's funny how you try to foster "thoughtful discussion" on religion, and each time it becomes so evident that you actually know very little on the subject.

I know about Christianity.
As for other religions, I couldn't care less about them.
I don't know much about Islam, nor do I care about Islam.
I don't know about Hinduism nor do I care about it
I don't know anything substantial about any other religion nor do I really care.

I am only interested in Christianity and Judaism because they are the only ones that have any real potential to affect my everyday life.

I am more interested in atheism than all of them and put more thought into atheism than other religions.

The main reason why I don't know much about most religions or care about them is because is don't have the time or patience to. Im 17 years old and I'm focussing more on writing a book and learning about filmmaking.


But you don't even know about Christianity. You're aware of it in the way I'm aware that tumblr is a thing. But its history, theology, etc, you barely have any comprehension of though. Your constant gaffs in this and the CDT thread are clear evidence of that. Worst of all you appear to think that you in fact do know about Christianity and are somehow smarter than its adherents by virtue of being an atheist.

You can't have a thoughtful discussion when A. You have little to no knowledge of the subject, and B. You clearly are only interested in satisfying your own personal bias.

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