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by Tarsonis Survivors » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:21 pm
by Celritannia » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:22 pm
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by The Rich Port » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:22 pm
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:The Rich Port wrote:
I dunno.
All religions have the same logical and philosophical problems by their very definition.
It all goes back to the question of whether morality can be objective without a god.
I think it can, but only if humanity makes a concerted effort to do so, and that concerted effort has yet to take place explicitly because of theism.
And I'm sure geography, economics, resources and race have nothing to do with it.
by The Cobalt Sky » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:23 pm
Celritannia wrote:The Cobalt Sky wrote:Christianity isn't too peaceful.
Psalm 58:10 would be a good example of that.
"Thou shalt not kill" pro-lifers say, however:
Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”
And more.
by Pensalum » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:24 pm
by Immoren » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:24 pm
The Rich Port wrote:Immoren wrote:
Depends on religion, doesn't it?
I dunno.
All religions have the same logical and philosophical problems by their very definition.
It all goes back to the question of whether morality can be objective without a god.
I think it can, but only if humanity makes a concerted effort to do so, and that concerted effort has yet to take place explicitly because of theism.
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by The Smith Protectorate » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:25 pm
by Immoren » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:25 pm
Celritannia wrote:The Cobalt Sky wrote:Christianity isn't too peaceful.
Psalm 58:10 would be a good example of that.
"Thou shalt not kill" pro-lifers say, however:
Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”
And more.
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by Tarsonis Survivors » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:26 pm
The Rich Port wrote:Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
If humanity were to make an effort at creating objective morality it would defeat the purpose. Any morality humanity would create would be subjective not objective.
Even if all of humanity agreed it would still be subjective.
There's already a problem of definitions when it comes to subjective and objective in terms of atheism vs. religion.
In an atheist perspective, then yes, all morality is subjective, even the ones created by religionists.
And yet, the religionists consider religious morality objective due to the authority of God.
Morality does not need a primary enforcer to be objective. People that believe in God still commit crimes and horrible atrocities, regardless of their motivations and demotivations.
A morality without a fictional enforcer is automatically greater than a morality with one, because then the rules are interpreted on an individual basis.
by Tarsonis Survivors » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:27 pm
by The Rich Port » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:27 pm
by The Cobalt Sky » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:28 pm
by Immoren » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:29 pm
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by Tarsonis Survivors » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:30 pm
Celritannia wrote:The Cobalt Sky wrote:Christianity isn't too peaceful.
Psalm 58:10 would be a good example of that.
"Thou shalt not kill" pro-lifers say, however:
Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”
And more.
by The Smith Protectorate » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:30 pm
by Celritannia » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:30 pm
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by Tarsonis Survivors » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:31 pm
by The Cobalt Sky » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:32 pm
by Tarsonis Survivors » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:32 pm
by Celritannia » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:32 pm
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by The Rich Port » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:33 pm
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
1. Don't quote evil bible if you want any theist to take you seriously.
2. Thou shalt not kill is better translated thou shalt not commit murder. Murder being killing outside the law.
There is no conflict.
by Tarsonis Survivors » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:33 pm
The Cobalt Sky wrote:The Rich Port wrote:
I dunno why the fuck people bring up the Bible anymore. It's morality is incoherent.
It doesn't mean God is "deep", it just means that "God" had to do a shit-ton of editing.
Although I'm an atheist, I still enjoy reading it and some of the more powerful quotes within it. You ever seen pulp fiction? Ezekiel 25:17. Aww yeah... Although I agree, it is from an older time without a lot of science, and should be treated as such.
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