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Postby Sphermenia » Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:29 pm

well Christianity sure had resulted in allot of this
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Postby Celritannia » Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:31 pm

Sphermenia wrote:well Christianity sure had resulted in allot of this
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Which is why I am agreeing with this.

And for the lols, how about this?

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Postby Immoren » Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:37 pm

Celritannia wrote:
New Hampshire Republic wrote:
I knew the Christmas Tree thing, but I didn't know the stuff about the gods. That's interesting.


I found this actually, if you are interested.
Interestingly, all these Gods were born of Virgins, on the 25th and were Sun God/Gods of the Sun.

Although Buddha is never proclaimed to be a God, he never said he was, and there is no evidence to say he was a God at all.


Wasn't this debunked last time this was brought up?
I can't find it..
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Postby Celritannia » Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:41 pm

Immoren wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
I found this actually, if you are interested.
Interestingly, all these Gods were born of Virgins, on the 25th and were Sun God/Gods of the Sun.

Although Buddha is never proclaimed to be a God, he never said he was, and there is no evidence to say he was a God at all.


Wasn't this debunked last time this was brought up?
I can't find it..


Hmm? What was debunked?

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:42 pm

Celritannia wrote:
New Hampshire Republic wrote:
I knew the Christmas Tree thing, but I didn't know the stuff about the gods. That's interesting.


I found this actually, if you are interested.
Interestingly, all these Gods were born of Virgins, on the 25th and were Sun God/Gods of the Sun.

Although Buddha is never proclaimed to be a God, he never said he was, and there is no evidence to say he was a God at all.

Yeah that source is crap.

Krishna born July 19.
Buddha born April or May 8 (depending on tradition)
Horus was born in July/ August.
Mithras has no real birthday that is known.

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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
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T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
A. Lincoln: "My concern is not whether God is on our side, My greatest concern is to be on God's side."
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Postby Immoren » Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:43 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Immoren wrote:
Wasn't this debunked last time this was brought up?
I can't find it..


Hmm? What was debunked?


That entire list.
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Postby Ripoll » Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:53 pm

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Postby Murkwood » Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:55 pm

Sphermenia wrote:well Christianity sure had resulted in allot of this
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and this
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And I take it the USSR's anti-religious campaigns were piles of flowers?
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Postby Ripoll » Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:55 pm

Sphermenia wrote:well Christianity sure had resulted in allot of this
(Image)
and this
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People did that, not peaceful religion
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Postby Celritannia » Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:55 pm

Then I do apologise for linking a false piece of information.

If someone could link an accurate mythological list of deities born on the 25th of December, it would be most helpful.
As I understand, Sol was definitely born on this date.

There is this one that seems to have further external links.
But I think this one is more interesting at another reason why we celebrate sun Gods in december, during the harsh winter months, rather than deities being born on the 25th.

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Postby The Rich Port » Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:57 pm

Ripoll wrote:
Sphermenia wrote:well Christianity sure had resulted in allot of this
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People did that, not peaceful religion


Religion is about as peaceful as guns are.
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Postby Ripoll » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:01 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Ripoll wrote:
People did that, not peaceful religion


Religion is about as peaceful as guns are.


Religion builds happy and sustainable communities that interpret gospel to better their lives and give a deeper meaning ingrained in what they do. People who commit crimes in the name or religion are fundamentally bad people and what they believe led them to do what they did is almost always in contradiction of how the religious base interprets liturgy. People can take anything into extremes and make what they're representing look evil, misconstrued, or unethical.

The problem is genuinely awful people, not religious beliefs or institutional religions.
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Postby The Rich Port » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:03 pm

Ripoll wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Religion is about as peaceful as guns are.


Religion builds happy and sustainable communities that interpret gospel to better their lives and give a deeper meaning ingrained in what they do. People who commit crimes in the name or religion are fundamentally bad people and what they believe led them to do what they did is almost always in contradiction of how the religious base interprets liturgy. People can take anything into extremes and make what they're representing look evil, misconstrued, or unethical.

The problem are genuinely awful people, not religious beliefs or institutional religions.


Exactly. The same thing can be said about guns.

And I'm opposed to allowing certain people from having guns for the same reason I'm opposed to spreading religion.

It's a dangerous, outdated invention of humanity that can cause harm more than it can cause benefits.
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Postby Immoren » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:10 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Ripoll wrote:
People did that, not peaceful religion


Religion is about as peaceful as guns are.


Depends on religion, doesn't it?
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Postby The Rich Port » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:12 pm

Immoren wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Religion is about as peaceful as guns are.


Depends on religion, doesn't it?


I dunno.

All religions have the same logical and philosophical problems by their very definition.

It all goes back to the question of whether morality can be objective without a god.

I think it can, but only if humanity makes a concerted effort to do so, and that concerted effort has yet to take place explicitly because of theism.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:12 pm

Celritannia wrote:Then I do apologise for linking a false piece of information.

If someone could link an accurate mythological list of deities born on the 25th of December, it would be most helpful.
As I understand, Sol was definitely born on this date.

There is this one that seems to have further external links.
But I think this one is more interesting at another reason why we celebrate sun Gods in december, during the harsh winter months, rather than deities being born on the 25th.



Well that's easy, its the Winter solstice, dawning of a new year. A lot of those deities aren't born on December 25 but rather the Winter Solstice. Catholic Church moved the celebration of Christ's birth to December 25 to make converting the Pagans much easier.

Religion is nothing if not political.
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
A. Lincoln: "My concern is not whether God is on our side, My greatest concern is to be on God's side."
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:16 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Immoren wrote:
Depends on religion, doesn't it?


I dunno.

All religions have the same logical and philosophical problems by their very definition.

It all goes back to the question of whether morality can be objective without a god.

I think it can, but only if humanity makes a concerted effort to do so, and that concerted effort has yet to take place explicitly because of theism.


If humanity were to make an effort at creating objective morality it would defeat the purpose. Any morality humanity would create would be subjective not objective.


Even if all of humanity agreed it would still be subjective.
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
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T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby Celritannia » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:16 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Celritannia wrote:Then I do apologise for linking a false piece of information.

If someone could link an accurate mythological list of deities born on the 25th of December, it would be most helpful.
As I understand, Sol was definitely born on this date.

There is this one that seems to have further external links.
But I think this one is more interesting at another reason why we celebrate sun Gods in december, during the harsh winter months, rather than deities being born on the 25th.



Well that's easy, its the Winter solstice, dawning of a new year. A lot of those deities aren't born on December 25 but rather the Winter Solstice. Catholic Church moved the celebration of Christ's birth to December 25 to make converting the Pagans much easier.

Religion is nothing if not political.


Indeed it is. And Elitist, After all, those who were literate could read the bible, no one else could.

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:17 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Immoren wrote:
Depends on religion, doesn't it?


I dunno.

All religions have the same logical and philosophical problems by their very definition.

It all goes back to the question of whether morality can be objective without a god.

I think it can, but only if humanity makes a concerted effort to do so, and that concerted effort has yet to take place explicitly because of theism.



And I'm sure geography, economics, resources and race have nothing to do with it.
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
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T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
A. Lincoln: "My concern is not whether God is on our side, My greatest concern is to be on God's side."
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Postby The Smith Protectorate » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:18 pm

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Bunkeranlage wrote:
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"It was my science that drove me to the conclusion that the world was much more complicated than can be explained by science... it was only through the supernatural that I can understand the the mystery of existence"
- Allan Rex Sandage, astronomer

Ah, I know this quote.
Different people with different upbringings will come to different conclusions.
Supernatural is not science. Supernatural is not nature. If it isn't part of nature, than it doesn't exist in our reality. So either this quote I was a poor choice of words, or he is full of shit.

As for the universe being too complicated to be explained by science. That only speaks for our CURRENT understanding.
Science is not static, it is constantly gaining new information.


The really depends on the institution doing the science.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:18 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

Well that's easy, its the Winter solstice, dawning of a new year. A lot of those deities aren't born on December 25 but rather the Winter Solstice. Catholic Church moved the celebration of Christ's birth to December 25 to make converting the Pagans much easier.

Religion is nothing if not political.


Indeed it is. And Elitist, After all, those who were literate could read the bible, no one else could.


Some people are after all superior to others.
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
A. Lincoln: "My concern is not whether God is on our side, My greatest concern is to be on God's side."
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Postby The Cobalt Sky » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:19 pm

Ripoll wrote:
Sphermenia wrote:well Christianity sure had resulted in allot of this
(Image)
and this
(Image)


People did that, not peaceful religion

Christianity isn't too peaceful.
Psalm 58:10 would be a good example of that.
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Postby The Rich Port » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:20 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
I dunno.

All religions have the same logical and philosophical problems by their very definition.

It all goes back to the question of whether morality can be objective without a god.

I think it can, but only if humanity makes a concerted effort to do so, and that concerted effort has yet to take place explicitly because of theism.


If humanity were to make an effort at creating objective morality it would defeat the purpose. Any morality humanity would create would be subjective not objective.


Even if all of humanity agreed it would still be subjective.


There's already a problem of definitions when it comes to subjective and objective in terms of atheism vs. religion.

In an atheist perspective, then yes, all morality is subjective, even the ones created by religionists.

And yet, the religionists consider religious morality objective due to the authority of God.

Morality does not need a primary enforcer to be objective. People that believe in God still commit crimes and horrible atrocities, regardless of their motivations and demotivations.

A morality without a fictional enforcer is automatically greater than a morality with one, because then the rules are interpreted on an individual basis.
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Postby The Smith Protectorate » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:21 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
I found this actually, if you are interested.
Interestingly, all these Gods were born of Virgins, on the 25th and were Sun God/Gods of the Sun.

Although Buddha is never proclaimed to be a God, he never said he was, and there is no evidence to say he was a God at all.

Yeah that source is crap.

Krishna born July 19.
Buddha born April or May 8 (depending on tradition)
Horus was born in July/ August.
Mithras has no real birthday that is known.


Jesus was born some time in autumn not the 25th, as that's a combination of Christianity and Yule time
List goes on
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