Why do people hate republicans?

[Kiribati-Tarawa]

Because they fuck over the poor to line the wallets of the rich, and a lot of the party's officials are remarkably unintelligent for people who are supposed to govern us.

Yes, and the democrats want to raise the standard of revolution and declare war on the rich. We all have our little causes.

[Kiribati-Tarawa]

I don't hate Republicans and I'm fairly content with the centrist establishment Republicans. Men like Brian Sandavol and Colin Powell come to mind as Republicans i typiclly like. There are however some republicans I don't like, the Tea Party Republicans come to mind as I can't say I've ever found a liking to Republicans that call themselves "Tea Partiers" those Include Allen West, Ted Cruz, and Michele Bachmann generally put me off to the Republican Party and that the party itself is giving into its vocal minority.

I quite agree with this. I think that the T.E.A. Party is causing major damage to the GOP. They're too radical to be taken seriously. What we need is a good moderate conservative to lead this country, not some bible-thumping grandee nor a leftist revolutionary.

[Scyobayrynn]

This is true. Unfortunately, it does not seem to apply to the Republican party.

Being a Republican myself (though I would probably be towards the left of the party, given my liberal views on social policy), I do not believe that it is the duty of the government to provide welfare for the poor, nor do they have the prerogative to redistribute wealth. The poor, for the most part, are, sadly, poor by their own doing. Statistics support the idea that staying out of poverty in this country, which is a very well-off country by any standard, is a matter of self-control.

Former Clinton advisor William Galston sums up the matter this way: you need only do three things in this country to avoid poverty—finish high school, marry before having a child, and marry after the age of 20. Only 8 percent of the families who do this are poor; 79 percent of those who fail to do this are poor.

From this article

These statistics hold up, even among people who are born into poverty. The United States still is, in many ways, the land of opportunity. Avoiding poverty in this very prosperous country is not difficult. As such, it is my belief that people must learn to live with the consequences of their actions. Does this mean we should let people die on the street and leave them to rot? No, but this does not mean that we should punish the rich for being rich so that we can redistribute wealth and take from people who produce things and earn money and give it to those who do not. Does this make me an evil person for thinking so? No.

Do the statistics also address the fact that Poverty tends to exist in a familial pattern. That A person born to a poor family is far more likely to remain in poverty. That the land of opportunity is in point of fact not nearly as mobile as you would claim.

A person in poverty will not be able to deliver the education to their children that a person of even upper middle class standing can deliver, and that is using only the public schools since public schools rely on the tax base and while they do receive federal funding a Public school in one area is hardly the same as one in a different socio-economic strata.

That poverty limits ones ability to survive on one's own and thus it encourages marriage at young age.

I mean if we aregoing to throw out the Poor choose to be so... just wow.

As if someone went to them and said "hey, if you do this you will likely spend the rest of our poverty" and they said "Fuck it lets dance".

Or as if Middle Class or Upper Middle kids were sitting around making all these great choices. Just by some miraculous gift of Not-poor genes. INstead of actually having a grossly superior support system in them from home to school throughout childhood.

But yes the people who live in Poverty, picked Poverty.

[Jordsindia]

Actually, no you cant.

Read my previous post.

Is it now? Examples?

Global warming, voter ID, oil, fake 'War on Women' and the 'idea' of widespread racism. Also, Democrats like to receive plentiful amounts of money from millionaires.

Tossing out trite phrases like entrepreneurial and pulling yourself up by your boot straps is not love.

Oh, and raising taxes on normal people to combat the governments spending problem is love?

For the upper classes mainly.

There should be clear cuts for everyone, I agree.

Will not create jobs.

It can. It maintains jobs, also.

Are we talking about the 33 permanant jobs of the pipeline?

Not just that.

Source.

Here.

No it doesn't and no they don't.

Uh, yea they do.

Of course it is. But again the Repubs fought like hell to prevent job exportation right?

Source?

[Kiribati-Tarawa]

Being a Republican myself (though I would probably be towards the left of the party, given my liberal views on social policy), I do not believe that it is the duty of the government to provide welfare for the poor, nor do they have the prerogative to redistribute wealth. The poor, for the most part, are, sadly, poor by their own doing. Statistics support the idea that staying out of poverty in this country, which is a very well-off country by any standard, is a matter of self-control.


From this article

These statistics hold up, even among people who are born into poverty. The United States still is, in many ways, the land of opportunity. Avoiding poverty in this very prosperous country is not difficult. As such, it is my belief that people must learn to live with the consequences of their actions. Does this mean we should let people die on the street and leave them to rot? No, but this does not mean that we should punish the rich for being rich so that we can redistribute wealth and take from people who produce things and earn money and give it to those who do not. Does this make me an evil person for thinking so? No.

Do the statistics also address the fact that Poverty tends to exist in a familial pattern. That A person born to a poor family is far more likely to remain in poverty. That the land of opportunity is in point of fact not nearly as mobile as you would claim.

A person in poverty will not be able to deliver the education to their children that a person of even upper middle class standing can deliver, and that is using only the public schools since public schools rely on the tax base and while they do receive federal funding a Public school in one area is hardly the same as one in a different socio-economic strata.

That poverty limits ones ability to survive on one's own and thus it encourages marriage at young age.

I mean if we aregoing to throw out the Poor choose to be so... just wow.

As if someone went to them and said "hey, if you do this you will likely spend the rest of our poverty" and they said "Fuck it lets dance".

Or as if Middle Class or Upper Middle kids were sitting around making all these great choices. Just by some miraculous gift of Not-poor genes. INstead of actually having a grossly superior support system in them from home to school throughout childhood.

But yes the people who live in Poverty, picked Poverty.

I did in fact address that when I said that "these statistics hold up, even among people born into poverty." To address your points, people need to have self-control. I abhor these lame excuses for irresponsibility and bad decision-making. If you screw up, that's your own problem. I don't want to pay for your mistakes. When it comes to education, yes, we need to improve that. Perhaps that can come out of the welfare budget.

[Scyobayrynn]

You make assumptions about me because I do not participate in generalizing millions of people.

Then please also assume I am not an intolerant politicized ass, who uses weak excuses to justify my own brand of intolerance against those I disagree with.

It really is true.

and its Rich Old White men, they dont care for working class Whites either I mean beyond using fear mongering and pandering to the lowest common denominator to get the votes then they have no use for the working poor, and absolutely no intention of doing anything to help them be anything but poor.

Sorry, what was that about not generalising millions of people?

Not generalizing millions of people. Thats a statement about how the Republican Party appears. IN addition you as a member(I am assuming here) are not actually setting the Party lines.
YOU do not set the Party Platform.

Now the malign platform set up by the Party may indeed cater to your personal views-- or it might not. But the Party itself, presents exactly as I said it does in that quote.
I never said all of its members support that presented position. IN fact I have vigorously argued in this very thread that hating ALL republicans based on personal opinions of the Party or in worse based on your own Politics is absolutely the wrong type of thinking.

I find polarized Politics to be absolutely disgusting, and I blame the Parties for this. I blame the leadership, the ones setting the platforms the media for voicing the most radical of both sides, so no, not generalizing.

[Jordsindia]

This is why.

Did you read the comment section?

And this.

Was that a "real" evaluation?

Black Republicans

Ok. You found 76. How many support the democrats and liberal ideas?

Even with your list; how many support the bible thumping aspects of the repubs?

some Republican women of Congress.

How many of those women hold positions of power? Head committees......

Ok, you putting Republicans in one basket, and you expect them to be the exact same. No, they aren't.

He said the Republicans are the party of 'old, white men'. I proved him wrong. Not to mention the thousands who weren't on that list and could be. You are suggesting that in order to be 'true' Republicans you have to be an extremist. No.

I myself would support a more moderate Republican, does that mean I am not a true Republican?

I also like how you 'dismiss' my links as not 'real' evaluations because you don't like what they said. IM SO SORRY, WHERE THEY NOT LIBERAL ENOUGH FOR YOU?

And how does holding a seat of power in a COMMITTEE say anything about a party?

[Pantoufle]

I'm a republican, most people here on nation states don't like my kind. I'm from Texas, that sets off a signal for democrats here on NS too start too hate me. I don't know why.

So the question is simple. Why do you democrats hate republicans. I want too see it from a democrats point of view. Why do you hate republicans? What do you not like about them. I just want too know. Tell me in a civilized way. I don't want too see this "BECAUSE YOU REPUBLICANS ARE STUPID, DUMB ASS PEOPLE WHO HATE THE NATURE!". Nothing like that. So in a civilized way, democrats of nation states! Tell me why you hate the republicans! Or dislike us republicans!

It's not always the people themselves but often what they say it's either contradictory, or too clos minded.
The GOPs actions also tend to not be in favor of the people at large but for rather the wealthy. I for one don't like the two party system the US has going on therefore my NationState is very reminiscent of Sweden with hints of UK and France. Also sometimes the people who support the GOP get pushy with their believes on how things should be done and think their way is the only correct way, and while my NationState favors socialist ideals it's very moderate in how heavily its ideals influences decisions. My NationState is also a little different in the sense it has some theocratic influence but no religion is actually recognized by the government. Also the GOP tends to oppose certain civil rights that many Western European countries have adopted and rather the party wants to go to a far inferior time of the US. I personally want to live in Québec when I graduate high school because most of them speak French and I kind of have hope that next year Justin Trudeau's party gains majority and he becomes the Prime Minister of Canada. Though I wouldn't call myself a Democrat but a tad further left of the Green Party while still favoring either them or Democratic Socialist or just Socialist.

[Kiribati-Tarawa]

Sorry, what was that about not generalising millions of people?

Not generalizing millions of people. Thats a statement about how the Republican Party appears. IN addition you as a member(I am assuming here) are not actually setting the Party lines.
YOU do not set the Party Platform.

Now the malign platform set up by the Party may indeed cater to your personal views-- or it might not. But the Party itself, presents exactly as I said it does in that quote.
I never said all of its members support that presented position. IN fact I have vigorously argued in this very thread that hating ALL republicans based on personal opinions of the Party or in worse based on your own Politics is absolutely the wrong type of thinking.

I find polarized Politics to be absolutely disgusting, and I blame the Parties for this. I blame the leadership, the ones setting the platforms the media for voicing the most radical of both sides, so no, not generalizing.

Then, please, use the term "Republican Party platform", about which you are apparently misinformed, for that matter, rather than saying "Republicans" or "the Republican Party" (which implies its members).

[Tyrandel]

Yes, I know the Democratic and Republican Parties want to be inclusive. That is a bad thing. It prevents the formation of multiple ideologies and forces American politics into a deadlock between two factions nobody actually likes or supports. It also allows for radical groups like the Tea Party to highjack a major political party, rather than getting stuck as a weak minor party like the UKIP or BNP.

Also, unless I have been beheading Republicans in my sleep, I do not think I am comparable to ISIS.

Comparable in the narrow range of your view point.
You literally dismiss the views of others because they themselves have been given a limited set of labels. In that same moment act as if this point of view is some how not even more radical in obstinate refusal to engage the opposition reasonably.

Honestly, you should reconsider your position. On how parties work. The two party system is awful but not nearly as awful as you would make it out to be.

I'm not engaging the opposition or talking about other people's views, let alone dismissing anything. If I were dismissing things, I would not still be here posting. I would be dismissing your comments rather than addressing them.
I am talking about the difference between identifying with and merely voting for a party. It is the difference between viewing someone as your comrade and viewing someone as an ally of convenience. I do not view Hillary Clinton as a comrade, but she is an ally of convenience because she supports some of the same views that I do.

The two party system may not be awful but it is inferior (by virtue of giving voters less numerous and less specific choices) to multiple-party systems. It is definitely better than a one-party state, but that isn't saying much.

This is the polarization I speak of-- see its general and worded to include all republicans. It presumes a homogenuous state of mind among republicans. Yet he likely believes his own side of the political coin hold great diversity of thought.

Its not a slight against you Tyrandel, its thought process that is a bill of goods youve been sold.

Being able to nitpick and quibble about ideology is the luxury of someone who is not slated for dehumanization by a party's politics. Anyone who identifies as a Republican and votes for people that hold the mainstream Republican view implicitly supports the Republican policies that target people like me (and presumably Tyrandel, but they weren't entirely specific).

Specifically, I am gay.

And in fear of a threadjack I have made this thread: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=322097&sid=e8a94b917568694f60aab08b3f796d01

[Cedoria]

I'm a republican, most people here on nation states don't like my kind. I'm from Texas, that sets off a signal for democrats here on NS too start too hate me. I don't know why.

So the question is simple. Why do you democrats hate republicans. I want too see it from a democrats point of view. Why do you hate republicans? What do you not like about them. I just want too know. Tell me in a civilized way. I don't want too see this "BECAUSE YOU REPUBLICANS ARE STUPID, DUMB ASS PEOPLE WHO HATE THE NATURE!". Nothing like that. So in a civilized way, democrats of nation states! Tell me why you hate the republicans! Or dislike us republicans!

People don't hate Republicans, the Republican extremists hate the people.

[Olthar]

This is why.
And this.

Black Republicans
and
some Republican women of Congress.

First link: "Taxing the rich won't work because they'll find ways to dodge the taxes." Very inspiring.

Second link: A statement of opinion with no support.

Third link: Most of those people aren't politicians. Only, like, three of them were.

Fourth link: A couple dozen women between both houses of Congress? Not a good ratio. Also, all of them are white.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Sadly, the GOP leadership the past 20-30 years (and especially in the past 10) has done very little to endear sizable segments of the population to their cause. The ignorance, idiocy, shameless bigotry, and religious zeal of the leadership and the noisy extreme fringe has cast a long shadow over the majority of sane or more moderate Republicans.

When someone says, especially in the heavily left-leaning community here that they are a Republican, the observer likely links that label with the antics of the party leadership or the Tea Party radicals. Of course, the media doesn't generally talk much about the majority of moderates for instance, or those who may be fiscally conservative but socially liberal and so on. The media cherry-picks the loudest and most obnoxious members of the party, and that image has definitely become pretty heavily entrenched in the social awareness of what a Republican is.

Probably doesn't help that from the outside view, it seems as though the party leadership is catering to that radical fringe. I can only imagine how much that has to be alienating the moderates in the party, the folks who are for small government and fiscal responsibility, but don't agree with the religious angle and so on regarding certain social issues.

You said it. Bless Reppy.

I agree with her, but I don't understand why she thinks socialists would have a lesser dislike for right-wing libertarians.

[Free Market Paradise]

People resent their betters.

[Greater Monroe]

I think that people hate Republicans for the same reason that people hate Democrats - because these people may have a different viewpoint as others. I am a Republican, and I believe strongly in much of the politics of the party. I am not a victim of hate in my own state, since I live in a mostly Republican state, however I do read some very negative comments on political posts I write or on pro-Republican articles I read. I see the hatred of adherents to a specific political viewpoint as an issue that illustrates the need for American people to blame someone for their lack of success, or even sadness. I know that, as a staunch Republican and a devout Christian, I often look to blame the liberal activists or the Democrats for many problems that I face on a daily basis. I know, however, that this is the wrong approach. I feel that the reasons for peoples' hatred of political parties is attributed to the differences between individual views and the views of that party, and that this hatred is immature and wrong. I accept that the Democrats believe what they want to believe, and although I do not agree, I value what they say as their own opinions. Every human being should value what others have to say, no matter what their personal beliefs are. Sorry for the rant, but I had to say it in light of all of the current crises facing the United States.

God Bless America.

[Othelos]

I dislike the Republicans mostly because most of them are social conservatives.

[Kiribati-Tarawa]

I think that people hate Republicans for the same reason that people hate Democrats - because these people may have a different viewpoint as others. I am a Republican, and I believe strongly in much of the politics of the party. I am not a victim of hate in my own state, since I live in a mostly Republican state, however I do read some very negative comments on political posts I write or on pro-Republican articles I read. I see the hatred of adherents to a specific political viewpoint as an issue that illustrates the need for American people to blame someone for their lack of success, or even sadness. I know that, as a staunch Republican and a devout Christian, I often look to blame the liberal activists or the Democrats for many problems that I face on a daily basis. I know, however, that this is the wrong approach. I feel that the reasons for peoples' hatred of political parties is attributed to the differences between individual views and the views of that party, and that this hatred is immature and wrong. I accept that the Democrats believe what they want to believe, and although I do not agree, I value what they say as their own opinions. Every human being should value what others have to say, no matter what their personal beliefs are. Sorry for the rant, but I had to say it in light of all of the current crises facing the United States.

God Bless America.

Amen. Living in the San Francisco Bay Area, being a Republican has been a real challenge for me. Up until recently, I've kept quiet about it, for fear of social repercussions. This is a very refreshing voice of reason.

[Olthar]

I do not believe that it is the duty of the government to provide welfare for the poor, nor do they have the prerogative to redistribute wealth.

For the first time in history, we have the means to completely eradicate poverty, and the fact that we are unwilling to is the greatest possible shame.

The poor, for the most part, are, sadly, poor by their own doing.

Incorrect. There are many jobs that society needs. We cannot function without janitors or farm hands or garbage collectors, which means that no matter how hard everyone tries to advance, people will still occupy those jobs. Not everyone can be an executive. We need the little guys, too, and they shouldn't be punished for making sure that money continues to have meaning. They should be able to live happy, comfortable lives, just like everyone else.

[Scyobayrynn]

Not generalizing millions of people. Thats a statement about how the Republican Party appears. IN addition you as a member(I am assuming here) are not actually setting the Party lines.
YOU do not set the Party Platform.

Now the malign platform set up by the Party may indeed cater to your personal views-- or it might not. But the Party itself, presents exactly as I said it does in that quote.
I never said all of its members support that presented position. IN fact I have vigorously argued in this very thread that hating ALL republicans based on personal opinions of the Party or in worse based on your own Politics is absolutely the wrong type of thinking.

I find polarized Politics to be absolutely disgusting, and I blame the Parties for this. I blame the leadership, the ones setting the platforms the media for voicing the most radical of both sides, so no, not generalizing.

Then, please, use the term "Republican Party platform", about which you are apparently misinformed, for that matter, rather than saying "Republicans" or "the Republican Party" (which implies its members).

I am not misinformed.

Or should I refer back to the golden children of the Party that another was kind offer to illustrate my point.
Republican Party Politicians < reasonable compromise ?

[Kiribati-Tarawa]

Then, please, use the term "Republican Party platform", about which you are apparently misinformed, for that matter, rather than saying "Republicans" or "the Republican Party" (which implies its members).

I am not misinformed.

Or should I refer back to the golden children of the Party that another was kind offer to illustrate my point.
Republican Party Politicians < reasonable compromise ?

Yes, very well.

[Scyobayrynn]

I do not believe that it is the duty of the government to provide welfare for the poor, nor do they have the prerogative to redistribute wealth.

For the first time in history, we have the means to completely eradicate poverty, and the fact that we are unwilling to is the greatest possible shame.

The poor, for the most part, are, sadly, poor by their own doing.

Incorrect. There are many jobs that society needs. We cannot function without janitors or farm hands or garbage collectors, which means that no matter how hard everyone tries to advance, people will still occupy those jobs. Not everyone can be an executive. We need the little guys, too, and they shouldn't be punished for making sure that money continues to have meaning. They should be able to live happy, comfortable lives, just like everyone else.

Janitors tend to make pretty good money, so do Garbage men but those tend to be considered Skilled labor. Just saying.

[Greed and Death]

I'm a republican, most people here on nation states don't like my kind. I'm from Texas, that sets off a signal for democrats here on NS too start too hate me. I don't know why.

So the question is simple. Why do you democrats hate republicans. I want too see it from a democrats point of view. Why do you hate republicans? What do you not like about them. I just want too know. Tell me in a civilized way. I don't want too see this "BECAUSE YOU REPUBLICANS ARE STUPID, DUMB ASS PEOPLE WHO HATE THE NATURE!". Nothing like that. So in a civilized way, democrats of nation states! Tell me why you hate the republicans! Or dislike us republicans!

Because they have the audacity to think maybe the debate on whats better for the country is not a toss up between what the moderate democrats and the liberal democrats want.

[Jordsindia]

First link: "Taxing the rich won't work because they'll find ways to dodge the taxes." Very inspiring.

Second link: A statement of opinion with no support.

Third link: Most of those people aren't politicians. Only, like, three of them were.

Fourth link: A couple dozen women between both houses of Congress? Not a good ratio. Also, all of them are white.

Need more?
Here.
Here.
Here.
Here
Here.

So only politicians can be Republicans?

So what if they are white? Does it make them racist simply because they are white? Grow up.

[Kiribati-Tarawa]

I do not believe that it is the duty of the government to provide welfare for the poor, nor do they have the prerogative to redistribute wealth.

For the first time in history, we have the means to completely eradicate poverty, and the fact that we are unwilling to is the greatest possible shame.

The eradication of poverty is important, yes, I agree. However, that kind of change must come from good-willed people and social movements, not the redistribution of peoples' money. Charities are some of the most blessed institutions in the world (at least when they're not corrupt), but the government cannot be a charity. In fact, if the government became a charity, I daresay that would ruin the good name of charity.

The poor, for the most part, are, sadly, poor by their own doing.

Incorrect. There are many jobs that society needs. We cannot function without janitors or farm hands or garbage collectors, which means that no matter how hard everyone tries to advance, people will still occupy those jobs. Not everyone can be an executive. We need the little guys, too, and they shouldn't be punished for making sure that money continues to have meaning. They should be able to live happy, comfortable lives, just like everyone else.

Yes, indeed, we do need those people. However, those people cannot expect to live like executives. One thing that Americans forget is that, compared to the rest of the world, certainly the non-western countries, we in America have it really well off. The standard of living of some of our poorest people is significantly higher than the middle class (even the upper-middle class in some countries) in other parts of the world.

[Tyrandel]

I think that people hate Republicans for the same reason that people hate Democrats - because these people may have a different viewpoint as others. I am a Republican, and I believe strongly in much of the politics of the party. I am not a victim of hate in my own state, since I live in a mostly Republican state, however I do read some very negative comments on political posts I write or on pro-Republican articles I read. I see the hatred of adherents to a specific political viewpoint as an issue that illustrates the need for American people to blame someone for their lack of success, or even sadness. I know that, as a staunch Republican and a devout Christian, I often look to blame the liberal activists or the Democrats for many problems that I face on a daily basis. I know, however, that this is the wrong approach. I feel that the reasons for peoples' hatred of political parties is attributed to the differences between individual views and the views of that party, and that this hatred is immature and wrong. I accept that the Democrats believe what they want to believe, and although I do not agree, I value what they say as their own opinions. Every human being should value what others have to say, no matter what their personal beliefs are. Sorry for the rant, but I had to say it in light of all of the current crises facing the United States.

God Bless America.

I hate the Republican Party.
I vehemently disagree with the Libertarian Party on almost every issue, but I do not hate them at all.

The difference here is that I think the Libertarian platform is simply incorrect and would probably ruin the economy, whereas I think the Republican platform directly challenges my personal freedom, quality of life and value as a human being. I would gladly listen to someone talk about the values of the Libertarian Party and am legitimately interested in the morality behind it, but I have nothing but disgust for the values and morality of the Republican Party.