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Postby Kiribati-Tarawa » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:13 pm

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Greater Monroe wrote:I think that people hate Republicans for the same reason that people hate Democrats - because these people may have a different viewpoint as others. I am a Republican, and I believe strongly in much of the politics of the party. I am not a victim of hate in my own state, since I live in a mostly Republican state, however I do read some very negative comments on political posts I write or on pro-Republican articles I read. I see the hatred of adherents to a specific political viewpoint as an issue that illustrates the need for American people to blame someone for their lack of success, or even sadness. I know that, as a staunch Republican and a devout Christian, I often look to blame the liberal activists or the Democrats for many problems that I face on a daily basis. I know, however, that this is the wrong approach. I feel that the reasons for peoples' hatred of political parties is attributed to the differences between individual views and the views of that party, and that this hatred is immature and wrong. I accept that the Democrats believe what they want to believe, and although I do not agree, I value what they say as their own opinions. Every human being should value what others have to say, no matter what their personal beliefs are. Sorry for the rant, but I had to say it in light of all of the current crises facing the United States.

God Bless America.


I hate the Republican Party.
I vehemently disagree with the Libertarian Party on almost every issue, but I do not hate them at all.

The difference here is that I think the Libertarian platform is simply incorrect and would probably ruin the economy, whereas I think the Republican platform directly challenges my personal freedom, quality of life and value as a human being. I would gladly listen to someone talk about the values of the Libertarian Party and am legitimately interested in the morality behind it, but I have nothing but disgust for the values and morality of the Republican Party.

Let's fight hate with hate. Excellent idea, one that is not at all hypocritical.
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Postby Uudempi Neva » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:18 pm

Demoblican or Repucrat? Until you really engage with the question 'where does does political sovereignty and power reside?' it does not matter. Tweedledum and Tweedledee. Watch out for the banksters, too.

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Postby Tyrandel » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:19 pm

Kiribati-Tarawa wrote:
Tyrandel wrote:
I hate the Republican Party.
I vehemently disagree with the Libertarian Party on almost every issue, but I do not hate them at all.

The difference here is that I think the Libertarian platform is simply incorrect and would probably ruin the economy, whereas I think the Republican platform directly challenges my personal freedom, quality of life and value as a human being. I would gladly listen to someone talk about the values of the Libertarian Party and am legitimately interested in the morality behind it, but I have nothing but disgust for the values and morality of the Republican Party.

Let's fight hate with hate. Excellent idea, one that is not at all hypocritical.


Sounds good to me. It's not my job to be a moral paragon and be all-loving to even the most horrible of people. I am not Gandhi or Jesus. If someone hates me, I will hate them right back without the slightest feeling of guilt. If they manage to change that hate into a slight dislike, a bit of moral disgust or even simple disagreement, that is great and I will happily be friendly to them. If they continue to hate me, good for them. But I will give hate back in turn.

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Postby Kiribati-Tarawa » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:20 pm

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Kiribati-Tarawa wrote:Let's fight hate with hate. Excellent idea, one that is not at all hypocritical.


Sounds good to me. It's not my job to be a moral paragon and be all-loving to even the most horrible of people. I am not Gandhi or Jesus. If someone hates me, I will hate them right back without the slightest feeling of guilt. If they manage to change that hate into a slight dislike, a bit of moral disgust or even simple disagreement, that is great and I will happily be friendly to them. If they continue to hate me, good for them. But I will give hate back in turn.

And here we see the hypocrisy of liberalism.
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Postby Scyobayrynn » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:21 pm

Kiribati-Tarawa wrote:
Tyrandel wrote:
I hate the Republican Party.
I vehemently disagree with the Libertarian Party on almost every issue, but I do not hate them at all.

The difference here is that I think the Libertarian platform is simply incorrect and would probably ruin the economy, whereas I think the Republican platform directly challenges my personal freedom, quality of life and value as a human being. I would gladly listen to someone talk about the values of the Libertarian Party and am legitimately interested in the morality behind it, but I have nothing but disgust for the values and morality of the Republican Party.

Let's fight hate with hate. Excellent idea, one that is not at all hypocritical.

Youre not going to sell him on the idea being hypocritical in this instance is wrong.
Which is fine, sometimes we all concede our beliefs are hypocritical and on this issue he is good with that. I am just saying this so you dont run your head into the wall over it.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:21 pm

Kiribati-Tarawa wrote:
The Flood wrote:Because they fuck over the poor to line the wallets of the rich, and a lot of the party's officials are remarkably unintelligent for people who are supposed to govern us.

Yes, and the democrats want to raise the standard of revolution and declare war on the rich. We all have our little causes.


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Postby The Dragon Realms Empire » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:22 pm

Timsvill wrote:I'm a republican, most people here on nation states don't like my kind. I'm from Texas, that sets off a signal for democrats here on NS too start too hate me. I don't know why.

So the question is simple. Why do you democrats hate republicans. I want too see it from a democrats point of view. Why do you hate republicans? What do you not like about them. I just want too know. Tell me in a civilized way. I don't want too see this "BECAUSE YOU REPUBLICANS ARE STUPID, DUMB ASS PEOPLE WHO HATE THE NATURE!". Nothing like that. So in a civilized way, democrats of nation states! Tell me why you hate the republicans! Or dislike us republicans!

People take politics very seriously. It is a rather sensitive topic and a lot of people have a "If you don't agree with me you are wrong" mentality.
Republicans tend to hate democrats just as much.
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Postby Cetacea » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:22 pm

Avenio wrote:Well, believing that I'm a subhuman and that children should be taught that what I am is an unnatural and sinful lifestyle choice is certainly a good reason for me not to be too well-disposed to them.


I take it that you're Black?

or possibly Mexican?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:34 pm

Jordsindia wrote:
Actually, no you cant.

Read my previous post.


And?

Is it now? Examples?

Global warming, voter ID, oil, fake 'War on Women' and the 'idea' of widespread racism. Also, Democrats like to receive plentiful amounts of money from millionaires.


Global Warming? Oh yeah; Republicans and Science problems.
Voter ID? Effects the lower classes which usually favor the democrats.
Oil?
War on Women? Because the Republicans are soooo supportive of womens issues. eh?
Racism? You haven't been reading the news lately?
Demos get money from millionaires? Care to point out where it was suggested they didn't. Fact remains Repubs support the upper classes far more then the Democrats.

Tossing out trite phrases like entrepreneurial and pulling yourself up by your boot straps is not love.

Oh, and raising taxes on normal people to combat the governments spending problem is love?

For the upper classes mainly.

There should be clear cuts for everyone, I agree.


The problem is the repubs will put a lions share of the worth for the upper classes and "chump change" for the lower.

We saw that which the shrub cuts.

Will not create jobs.

It can. It maintains jobs, also.


No it won't. Jobs aren't created from tax cuts and they aren't created from regulation cuts. If there isn't a need for a job; it won't be created. The money simply gets pocketed.

Of course it is. But again the Repubs fought like hell to prevent job exportation right?

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Ever hear the trite phrase "it will create newer better jobs!"
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:35 pm

Cetacea wrote:
Avenio wrote:Well, believing that I'm a subhuman and that children should be taught that what I am is an unnatural and sinful lifestyle choice is certainly a good reason for me not to be too well-disposed to them.


I take it that you're Black?

or possibly Mexican?


:blink: Relevance?
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:36 pm

Kiribati-Tarawa wrote:
Tyrandel wrote:
Sounds good to me. It's not my job to be a moral paragon and be all-loving to even the most horrible of people. I am not Gandhi or Jesus. If someone hates me, I will hate them right back without the slightest feeling of guilt. If they manage to change that hate into a slight dislike, a bit of moral disgust or even simple disagreement, that is great and I will happily be friendly to them. If they continue to hate me, good for them. But I will give hate back in turn.

And here we see the hypocrisy of liberalism.


Ohhhh you are one of those.
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Postby Scyobayrynn » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:40 pm

Cetacea wrote:
Avenio wrote:Well, believing that I'm a subhuman and that children should be taught that what I am is an unnatural and sinful lifestyle choice is certainly a good reason for me not to be too well-disposed to them.


I take it that you're Black?

or possibly Mexican?

Umm no.
He(assuming male) is Gay. Or perhaps transgender.
Where do you live inthe US that being Mexican or Black is still taught as being subhuman? Or even suggested as such?
I know being homosexual still has such labels ever-so covertly attached, but seriously. YOu live some place that still fears the Mud People... I'd like to know so I never accidentally go there.
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Postby Olthar » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:44 pm

Jordsindia wrote:
Olthar wrote:First link: "Taxing the rich won't work because they'll find ways to dodge the taxes." Very inspiring.

Second link: A statement of opinion with no support.

Third link: Most of those people aren't politicians. Only, like, three of them were.

Fourth link: A couple dozen women between both houses of Congress? Not a good ratio. Also, all of them are white.

Need more?
Here.
Here.
Here.
Here
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So only politicians can be Republicans?

So what if they are white? Does it make them racist simply because they are white? Grow up.

I take it you didn't read any of those, did you?

No, but only politicians matter in the current debate since we are discussing, you know, politics. I daresay a rapper doesn't have the ability to make or change laws.

Yes it does. When virtually every Republican leader is white, that implies systematic racism.
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Postby Tyrandel » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:45 pm

Kiribati-Tarawa wrote:
Tyrandel wrote:
Sounds good to me. It's not my job to be a moral paragon and be all-loving to even the most horrible of people. I am not Gandhi or Jesus. If someone hates me, I will hate them right back without the slightest feeling of guilt. If they manage to change that hate into a slight dislike, a bit of moral disgust or even simple disagreement, that is great and I will happily be friendly to them. If they continue to hate me, good for them. But I will give hate back in turn.

And here we see the hypocrisy of liberalism.


Well, I guess I am technically liberal in the sense that I think liberty is a pretty good idea. I myself would probably use the term libertarian socialist or syndicalist.
I freely admit that my views on this could be considered hypocritical (in the sense of hating others for hating me). I just do not consider this to negatively impact them.

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Kiribati-Tarawa wrote:Let's fight hate with hate. Excellent idea, one that is not at all hypocritical.

Youre not going to sell him on the idea being hypocritical in this instance is wrong.
Which is fine, sometimes we all concede our beliefs are hypocritical and on this issue he is good with that. I am just saying this so you dont run your head into the wall over it.


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Postby Scyobayrynn » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:47 pm

Olthar wrote:
Yes it does. When virtually every Republican leader is white, that implies systematic racism.

Considering the Demographics of the US it doesnt really smack of systemic racism. If we then factor in the low numbers of Minorities who self Identify as Republican, then we see they dont have an exceedingly large base from which pull leadership.

Im not saying their isnt systemic ethnic bigotry in the GOP, merely that the small smaple of leadership is not really a reliable indicator either way.
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Postby Mieraskya » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:48 pm

I don't hate Republicans as the person and there are people that I talk too that are very conservative just as a group and" what they stand for" I'm not a big fan of the Democrats eather and they seam very simular to me and I'm not a member of either party. But hear is my diss like for the republicans manly there whole ideology is just something I disagree with. Thier Fox news is the definition of propaganda with all the trying to pull the people against Islam, promoting this white privilege bull shit, and attempting to have capitalism look harmless bull shot gets a little annoying. Other then Fox news it seams like some of the Republicans who are high in the government all ways are looking for some excuse for war.. same goes for Democrats. Their extramarital nationalism and hatered for other countries makes me want to get sick. it's annoying when they act like they can read and they think they can read this big important book that they have never touched... we'll a lot of them haven't touched a book sence second grade... that's my rant on Republicans

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Postby Scyobayrynn » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:50 pm

Tyrandel wrote:
This guy understands me.


We all at some point have conflicting beliefs that make us hypocritical.
Being willing to admit they are says a lot. YOu didnt stomp your feet and pretend they werent... you simply dont care that they are.
The beliefs that I hold that are conflicting I am the same way about, I dont like that they are conflicting but I wont pretend they arent.

I get it.

It makes sense, because sometimes everything people think and feel doesnt make sense in the point system of debate.
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Postby Olthar » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:51 pm

Kiribati-Tarawa wrote:
Olthar wrote:For the first time in history, we have the means to completely eradicate poverty, and the fact that we are unwilling to is the greatest possible shame.

The eradication of poverty is important, yes, I agree. However, that kind of change must come from good-willed people and social movements, not the redistribution of peoples' money. Charities are some of the most blessed institutions in the world (at least when they're not corrupt), but the government cannot be a charity. In fact, if the government became a charity, I daresay that would ruin the good name of charity.

The past 30 years have quite clearly shown that trickle down economics doesn't work. We've continuously given more and more to the rich, and all that's happened is that the wealth gap has reached it's biggest point in American history. It failed, so stop your wishful thinking.

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Incorrect. There are many jobs that society needs. We cannot function without janitors or farm hands or garbage collectors, which means that no matter how hard everyone tries to advance, people will still occupy those jobs. Not everyone can be an executive. We need the little guys, too, and they shouldn't be punished for making sure that money continues to have meaning. They should be able to live happy, comfortable lives, just like everyone else.

Yes, indeed, we do need those people. However, those people cannot expect to live like executives. One thing that Americans forget is that, compared to the rest of the world, certainly the non-western countries, we in America have it really well off. The standard of living of some of our poorest people is significantly higher than the middle class (even the upper-middle class in some countries) in other parts of the world.

Just because our poor are better off than Africans means they should suck it up and just deal with it? We still have homelessness. We still have starvation. We still have people with no access to healthcare. Our poverty may not be as bad as the rest of the world, but it's still a serious problem that needs to be dealt with, not swept under the rug.
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Postby Olthar » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:02 am

Scyobayrynn wrote:
Olthar wrote:
Yes it does. When virtually every Republican leader is white, that implies systematic racism.

Considering the Demographics of the US it doesnt really smack of systemic racism.

72% white
Higher than I thought, I'll admit, but that still leaves 28% unrepresented.

If we then factor in the low numbers of Minorities who self Identify as Republican, then we see they dont have an exceedingly large base from which pull leadership.

I wonder why?

Im not saying their isnt systemic ethnic bigotry in the GOP, merely that the small smaple of leadership is not really a reliable indicator either way.

Of course it is. The leaders are the representatives of the party. They are the face and the voice. They should totally be expected to embody the party and what it desires/believes.
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Postby Islamic State of UKIP » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:02 am

Generally Republicans are the "vote for the guy who promised me free money" guy because they hate working and are generally a bunch of welfare queens and that's why are racist. Rasism leads to slave labour which is what the average lazy Republican leech wants

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Postby Scyobayrynn » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:08 am

Islamic State of UKIP wrote:Generally Republicans are the "vote for the guy who promised me free money" guy because they hate working and are generally a bunch of welfare queens and that's why are racist. Rasism leads to slave labour which is what the average lazy Republican leech wants

IM sorry what?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:08 am

Islamic State of UKIP wrote:Generally Republicans are the "vote for the guy who promised me free money" guy because they hate working and are generally a bunch of welfare queens and that's why are racist. Rasism leads to slave labour which is what the average lazy Republican leech wants


:blink:

You might want to expand on that. What the Republicans do doesn't fall in line with the tradition concept of the Welfare queens.
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Postby Islamic State of UKIP » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:09 am

Scyobayrynn wrote:
Islamic State of UKIP wrote:Generally Republicans are the "vote for the guy who promised me free money" guy because they hate working and are generally a bunch of welfare queens and that's why are racist. Rasism leads to slave labour which is what the average lazy Republican leech wants

IM sorry what?


Pretty self explanatory. Most Republicans are lazy and don't work. Thus why they supported "trickle-down". Pure laziness.

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Postby Islamic State of UKIP » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:12 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Islamic State of UKIP wrote:Generally Republicans are the "vote for the guy who promised me free money" guy because they hate working and are generally a bunch of welfare queens and that's why are racist. Rasism leads to slave labour which is what the average lazy Republican leech wants


:blink:

You might want to expand on that. What the Republicans do doesn't fall in line with the tradition concept of the Welfare queens.


Yeah, actually it does. They rarely, if ever, work. They're lazy and voted for "trickle-down" because of that. Nothing but welfare queens

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Postby Scyobayrynn » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:15 am

Islamic State of UKIP wrote:
Scyobayrynn wrote:IM sorry what?


Pretty self explanatory. Most Republicans are lazy and don't work. Thus why they supported "trickle-down". Pure laziness.

No, no.
Not self explanatory at all.
While trickle-down is a load of absolute bullshit... you understand it benefited wealthiest who do in fact have employment(no matter how self fulling and exceptionally unproductive it might be) and that they didnt want to receive the trickle-down they wanted to be the ones trickling as it were.
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