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by Atramentar » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:44 pm
Kingdom of Viana wrote:Atramentar wrote:It starts as surprise and indignation at the perceived audacity of some policies. When these audacities are revealed to not be isolated but part of a concerted strategy that ignores, derides, and marginalises any who disagree, these feelings become deeper and eventually become a loathing.
A few reasons as I have seen them:
- Republicans have repeatedly shown that they care more about carrying the party line than in considering or even recognising the merits of their opposition.
- As demonstrated many times in the government shutdown threats, Republicans are perfectly willing to drive the functionality of the government (as in funding programs) straight off a cliff rather than compromise in any way.
- Hypocritically, Republicans demand Democrats compromise at every turn, accusing them of intractibility and intransigence, despite their own blatant refusals to bend.
- Republican policies, while ostensibly for the people's benefit, do a tremendous amount of harm to those same people - usually financially. These harms fall disproportionately on the low-income earners - Americans that Republicans have shown they have little regard for. This demonstrates either a clear disdain for those people or a wilful obliviousness.
- Republicans will loudly protest about their personal rights and freedoms with regard the Second Amendment, and then see no irony in denying women the right to their own body. Republicans are great crusaders for freedoms...that they agree to.
- Republican policies based almost solely in Christian values, and a disregard for the separation of church and state.
- Systemic racism.
We shutdown the gov. Because you democrats wouldn't stop spending money and raising the national debt! Plus the democrats are hates more than the republicans because they keep screwing everything up! Just look at the midterms!
by Laerod » Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:29 pm
Kingdom of Viana wrote:Atramentar wrote:It starts as surprise and indignation at the perceived audacity of some policies. When these audacities are revealed to not be isolated but part of a concerted strategy that ignores, derides, and marginalises any who disagree, these feelings become deeper and eventually become a loathing.
A few reasons as I have seen them:
- Republicans have repeatedly shown that they care more about carrying the party line than in considering or even recognising the merits of their opposition.
- As demonstrated many times in the government shutdown threats, Republicans are perfectly willing to drive the functionality of the government (as in funding programs) straight off a cliff rather than compromise in any way.
- Hypocritically, Republicans demand Democrats compromise at every turn, accusing them of intractibility and intransigence, despite their own blatant refusals to bend.
- Republican policies, while ostensibly for the people's benefit, do a tremendous amount of harm to those same people - usually financially. These harms fall disproportionately on the low-income earners - Americans that Republicans have shown they have little regard for. This demonstrates either a clear disdain for those people or a wilful obliviousness.
- Republicans will loudly protest about their personal rights and freedoms with regard the Second Amendment, and then see no irony in denying women the right to their own body. Republicans are great crusaders for freedoms...that they agree to.
- Republican policies based almost solely in Christian values, and a disregard for the separation of church and state.
- Systemic racism.
We shutdown the gov. Because you democrats wouldn't stop spending money and raising the national debt! Plus the democrats are hates more than the republicans because they keep screwing everything up! Just look at the midterms!
by Liverte » Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:30 pm
by Kingdom of Viana » Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:57 pm
Aelex wrote:As an foreigner who dislike both of Republicans AND Democrat, I can tell you that the major problem in America is the fact you only have TWO political party and absolutlely no left, your people only have the choice of having Right or FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR-Right governement... The fact of only having two party make everuthing become manicheans. It's never a point of view of what is the more appropriate or the more clever to be done even if it's the not in the exact droite ligne of your party but always "IF YOU'RE NOT WITH US, YOU'RE AGAINST US!.
by Kingdom of Viana » Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:57 pm
by Neutraligon » Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:58 pm
Kingdom of Viana wrote:Aelex wrote:As an foreigner who dislike both of Republicans AND Democrat, I can tell you that the major problem in America is the fact you only have TWO political party and absolutlely no left, your people only have the choice of having Right or FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR-Right governement... The fact of only having two party make everuthing become manicheans. It's never a point of view of what is the more appropriate or the more clever to be done even if it's the not in the exact droite ligne of your party but always "IF YOU'RE NOT WITH US, YOU'RE AGAINST US!.
The democrats are left, or so they claim.
by Skinia » Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:59 pm
Kingdom of Viana wrote:Aelex wrote:As an foreigner who dislike both of Republicans AND Democrat, I can tell you that the major problem in America is the fact you only have TWO political party and absolutlely no left, your people only have the choice of having Right or FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR-Right governement... The fact of only having two party make everuthing become manicheans. It's never a point of view of what is the more appropriate or the more clever to be done even if it's the not in the exact droite ligne of your party but always "IF YOU'RE NOT WITH US, YOU'RE AGAINST US!.
The democrats are left, or so they claim.
by Kingdom of Viana » Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:01 pm
Chungking wrote:Probably because Republicans hate people.
Seriously, they hate poor people, non white people, female people, sick people, disabled people, LGBT people, foreign people, non Christian people, educated people and probably lots of other people I'm forgetting as well.
It's only natural to hate those who hate you, so if people hate Republicans, it's probably because Republicans hate them for falling into one of the afore mentioned groups.
by Cymrea » Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:02 pm
Kingdom of Viana wrote:Aelex wrote:As an foreigner who dislike both of Republicans AND Democrat, I can tell you that the major problem in America is the fact you only have TWO political party and absolutlely no left, your people only have the choice of having Right or FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR-Right governement... The fact of only having two party make everuthing become manicheans. It's never a point of view of what is the more appropriate or the more clever to be done even if it's the not in the exact droite ligne of your party but always "IF YOU'RE NOT WITH US, YOU'RE AGAINST US!.
The democrats are left, or so they claim.
by Laerod » Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:03 pm
Kingdom of Viana wrote:Chungking wrote:Probably because Republicans hate people.
Seriously, they hate poor people, non white people, female people, sick people, disabled people, LGBT people, foreign people, non Christian people, educated people and probably lots of other people I'm forgetting as well.
It's only natural to hate those who hate you, so if people hate Republicans, it's probably because Republicans hate them for falling into one of the afore mentioned groups.
Actually the republicans are the ones who care about the educated, they are the ones fighting Common Core.
by Stormwind-City » Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:04 pm
Kingdom of Viana wrote:Chungking wrote:Probably because Republicans hate people.
Seriously, they hate poor people, non white people, female people, sick people, disabled people, LGBT people, foreign people, non Christian people, educated people and probably lots of other people I'm forgetting as well.
It's only natural to hate those who hate you, so if people hate Republicans, it's probably because Republicans hate them for falling into one of the afore mentioned groups.
Actually the republicans are the ones who care about the educated, they are the ones fighting Common Core.
by Volco » Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:04 pm
by Skinia » Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:04 pm
Kingdom of Viana wrote:Chungking wrote:Probably because Republicans hate people.
Seriously, they hate poor people, non white people, female people, sick people, disabled people, LGBT people, foreign people, non Christian people, educated people and probably lots of other people I'm forgetting as well.
It's only natural to hate those who hate you, so if people hate Republicans, it's probably because Republicans hate them for falling into one of the afore mentioned groups.
Actually the republicans are the ones who care about the educated, they are the ones fighting Common Core.
by The Nexus of Man » Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:09 pm
Fortschritte wrote:Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:America needs another Ronald Reagan.
No, we don't need someone similar to a man who tripled the debt, propped up numerous dictatorships, funneled money to terrorists, increased poverty, increased unemployment, and presided over massive deregulation that was unsustainable. We don't need that.
by Neutraligon » Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:10 pm
by Skinia » Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:12 pm
by Washington Resistance Army » Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:12 pm
by Cymrea » Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:12 pm
The Nexus of Man wrote:Fortschritte wrote:
No, we don't need someone similar to a man who tripled the debt, propped up numerous dictatorships, funneled money to terrorists, increased poverty, increased unemployment, and presided over massive deregulation that was unsustainable. We don't need that.
As if any other President didn't.
by Stormwind-City » Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:19 pm
The Nexus of Man wrote:Fortschritte wrote:
No, we don't need someone similar to a man who tripled the debt, propped up numerous dictatorships, funneled money to terrorists, increased poverty, increased unemployment, and presided over massive deregulation that was unsustainable. We don't need that.
As if any other President didn't.
by Cymrea » Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:24 pm
by Myrensis » Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:25 pm
Cymrea wrote:They're left of the Republican party, certainly. Not really politically left. The exclusionary two-party system is ridiculous, but unfortunately it's been in place long enough that they've entrenched themselves and skewed the rules to basically eliminate any realistic possibility of a third party. America spites its own face with baffling frequency.
Reagan actually committed treason, but not a lot of folks care to remember that in their idolisation of the Gipper.
by Cymrea » Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:30 pm
Myrensis wrote:Cymrea wrote:They're left of the Republican party, certainly. Not really politically left. The exclusionary two-party system is ridiculous, but unfortunately it's been in place long enough that they've entrenched themselves and skewed the rules to basically eliminate any realistic possibility of a third party. America spites its own face with baffling frequency.
It's a bit of amusing irony that the Reagan Revolution delivered exactly as promised, but what the Republicans failed to foresee was that the Democrats would move right as well. This has left them scrambling to push ever further to the right to stake their claim as the 'True Conservatives', leaving the Democrats to occupy the ground that the Republicans expected to after Reagan.
Which is how Obama, who aside from his skin color would have been perfectly comfortable as a solidly right of center Republican in the Clinton or even Reagan years, is now a 'radical leftist' and 'most liberal President ever'.Reagan actually committed treason, but not a lot of folks care to remember that in their idolisation of the Gipper.
I believe the official conservative position is that Reagan was totally uninvolved and North was a rogue officer. Though apparently they don't feel that having betrayed his uniform, his country, and his President in order to arm and fund enemies of the United States should be taken to mean he isn't a true patriot and pillar of conservative values.
A more cynical person might think that the staggering disparity between what they claim he did and how they treat him would suggest that's it's all bullshit, and they love him for falling on his sword to protect Saint Reagan from those evil liberals who don't understand that sometimes you need to commit a little treason to get things done.
by Stormwind-City » Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:39 pm
Cymrea wrote:Stormwind-City wrote:IIRC several presidents barely increased the debt and a few reduced it.
"Economist Mike Kimel has noted that the former Democratic Presidents (Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Lyndon B. Johnson, John F. Kennedy, and Harry S. Truman) all reduced public debt as a share of GDP, while the last four Republican Presidents (George W. Bush, George H. W. Bush, Ronald Reagan and Gerald Ford) all oversaw an increase in the country's indebtedness."
- Kimel, Mike (December 4, 2007). "The Republican Party and the National Debt". angrybearblog.com. Retrieved April 15, 2011.
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