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Postby Stormwind-City » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:20 pm

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Stormwind-City wrote:American hero for doing what? And please, President Obama has a law degree from Harvard and is a successful author, I doubt his intelligence is lacking.


Ending the cold war, helping to end the so called "communist" economy of the USSR. He helped clean up the mess Carter left behind, showed great compassion, kindness and affection unlike any of the democratic presidents like Obama.

1) Creating economic problems for us today, and furthering a horrible industrial-military complex.
2)Yeah, all that compassion. Unlike Obama's attempts to help those fleeing violence in their countries, making many able to afford medical treatment, and providing copius disaster relief, etc.?
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:21 pm

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Not really. First there are Republicans who are pro-choie. Second most of the pro-choice liberals I have met are actually very much against abortion as a personal choice, but are very much for letting people choose should they want an abortion. That is, I myself am pro-choice but would not get one unless my life was in danger, the fetus was not viable, or if I was raped. However that is my personal decision for my own body and I refuse to make that decision for other females. That is the most common feeling I have met among pro-choice liberals and is very tolerant. Disagreeing with someone's opinion and voicing that disagreement is not intolerant. Same goes for gay marriage, many liberals would never even think about getting married to someone of the same gender, and are perfectly willing to have churches choose whether or not they will marry people before god, seems pretty tolerant to me.


You do know that the liberals were the ones to start using words like "Bigot" and "Homophobia" right?


Considering the word bigot is a very old word, we cannot know that. Second, your point is? Both of those words are descriptions of certain attitudes.
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Postby Skinia » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:21 pm

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Skinia wrote:Tolerance of intolerance is like freeing people to do unfree things, like steal, kidnap, rape or murder. So no, it isn't tolerant to tolerate intolerance. It's rather counter-productive to tolerance to tolerate intolerance.


What?!

Intolerance is to tolerance as oppression is to freedom. Hence why intolerance shouldn't be tolerated nor oppression allowed.
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Postby Stormwind-City » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:23 pm

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Not really. First there are Republicans who are pro-choie. Second most of the pro-choice liberals I have met are actually very much against abortion as a personal choice, but are very much for letting people choose should they want an abortion. That is, I myself am pro-choice but would not get one unless my life was in danger, the fetus was not viable, or if I was raped. However that is my personal decision for my own body and I refuse to make that decision for other females. That is the most common feeling I have met among pro-choice liberals and is very tolerant. Disagreeing with someone's opinion and voicing that disagreement is not intolerant. Same goes for gay marriage, many liberals would never even think about getting married to someone of the same gender, and are perfectly willing to have churches choose whether or not they will marry people before god, seems pretty tolerant to me.


You do know that the liberals were the ones to start using words like "Bigot" and "Homophobia" right?

Yes those evil Liberals calling Nazis and the KKK bigots.

Also, homophobia is from Greek.
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Postby Avenio » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:28 pm

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Stormwind-City wrote:Intolerant of people who seek to deny their fellow humans rights over arbitrary and bullshit reasons?


It's there opinion! And calling someone a Bigot because you don't like their opinion is NOT being tolerant.


Yes, how awful of us to not bow and scrape to respect the viewpoint that we're immoral and mentally ill, that businesses should be free to discriminate against us and that schools should teach that we're abominations.

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Postby Kingdom of Viana » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:28 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Ending the cold war, helping to end the so called "communist" economy of the USSR. He helped clean up the mess Carter left behind, showed great compassion, kindness and affection unlike any of the democratic presidents like Obama.


He tripled the debt, increase the employment created the myth of the welfare queen and used it to scapegoat people, had the Iran Contra issue, propped up dictators, etc. As for kindness, compassion, and affection, I fail to see how he did any of those things, and are irrelevant


Just look it up! You liberals are close minded!
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Postby Kingdom of Viana » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:29 pm

Avenio wrote:
Kingdom of Viana wrote:
It's there opinion! And calling someone a Bigot because you don't like their opinion is NOT being tolerant.


Yes, how awful of us to not bow and scrape to respect the viewpoint that we're immoral and mentally ill, that businesses should be free to discriminate against us and that schools should teach that we're abominations.


Yes we are allowed to have those opinions, and we are not going to change them just because a minority doesn't like it.
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Postby Kelinfort » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:30 pm

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
He tripled the debt, increase the employment created the myth of the welfare queen and used it to scapegoat people, had the Iran Contra issue, propped up dictators, etc. As for kindness, compassion, and affection, I fail to see how he did any of those things, and are irrelevant


Just look it up! You liberals are close minded!

No, cite the evidence against his claim.

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Postby Kingdom of Viana » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:30 pm

Skinia wrote:
Kingdom of Viana wrote:
What?!

Intolerance is to tolerance as oppression is to freedom. Hence why intolerance shouldn't be tolerated nor oppression allowed.


I'm sorry I've been up since 4 am so I'm just gonna say ok.
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Postby Avenio » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:30 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Kingdom of Viana wrote:
You do know that the liberals were the ones to start using words like "Bigot" and "Homophobia" right?


Considering the word bigot is a very old word, we cannot know that. Second, your point is? Both of those words are descriptions of certain attitudes.


Wikipedia - "Bigotry" wrote:The origin of the word bigot and bigoterie (bigotry) in English dates back to at least 1598, via Middle French, and started with the sense of "religious hypocrite". This meaning still survives in Italian, in the cognate word bigotto. The exact origin of the word is unknown, but it may have come from the German bei and Gott, or the English by God.[2]

William Camden wrote that the Normans were first called bigots, when their Duke Rollo, who when receiving Gisla, daughter of King Charles, in marriage, and with her the investiture of the dukedom, refused to kiss the king's foot in token of subjection – unless the king would hold it out for that specific purpose. When being urged to do it by those present, Rollo answered hastily "No, by God", whereupon the King, turning about, called him bigot, which then passed from him to his people.[3] This is quite probably fictional,[citation needed] as Gisla is unknown in Frankish sources. It is true, however, that the French used the term bigot to abuse the Normans.[4]

The twelfth-century Norman author Wace claimed that bigot was an insult which the French used against the Normans, but it is unclear whether or not this is how it entered the English language.[5]

The French used to call the English les goddams after their favorite curse; Clément Janequin's "La Guerre",[6] which is about the Battle of Marignano, similarly uses the Swiss German curse 'bigot', i.e. "by god!", in a context about the Protestant Swiss.

According to Henry Bradley, the meaning of bigot in the Old French was "detested foreigner", "heretic", and it is supposed that the word was a corruption of Visigot. To the Catholic Franks, the Visigoths of Southern France and Spain were the objects of bitter hatred, both on religious and worldly grounds.[7]

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Postby Kelinfort » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:31 pm

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Avenio wrote:
Yes, how awful of us to not bow and scrape to respect the viewpoint that we're immoral and mentally ill, that businesses should be free to discriminate against us and that schools should teach that we're abominations.


Yes we are allowed to have those opinions, and we are not going to change them just because a minority doesn't like it.

^

Definition of close minded bigot. Lest you think I'm personally attacking you, this was the same opposition employed by Souther Democrats against the Civil Rights movement.
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Postby Avenio » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:32 pm

Kingdom of Viana wrote:Yes we are allowed to have those opinions, and we are not going to change them just because a minority doesn't like it.


Who said you weren't allowed to have them? You're exercising your rights to free speech by having those opinions, and we're exercising our rights to free speech by calling those opinions bigotry.

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Postby Skinia » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:32 pm

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Skinia wrote:Intolerance is to tolerance as oppression is to freedom. Hence why intolerance shouldn't be tolerated nor oppression allowed.


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That ain't healthy. Cut the stimulants and remember to drink plenty of water before going to bed in the future. Word to the wise.
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Postby Kingdom of Viana » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:33 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Yes we are allowed to have those opinions, and we are not going to change them just because a minority doesn't like it.

^

Definition of close minded bigot.


So I told you calmly why we are allowed to have opinions and then you criticize me? Hypocrite much?
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Postby The Cobalt Sky » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:33 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
The Cobalt Sky wrote:I need to let those two new parties sink in. Democans... Republicrats...


Third party talk is usually libertarians.

All we would get using your example.

Democantarians and liberepublicrats

Wow... Those would be great names for political parties. Or maybe just traditionalis and progressives? I don't know anymore. But it seems interesting.
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Postby Kelinfort » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:34 pm

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:^

Definition of close minded bigot.


So I told you calmly why we are allowed to have opinions and then you criticize me? Hypocrite much?

You're allowed to have it just the same as mine. Just as you don't tolerate them, I don't tolerate you.

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Postby Kingdom of Viana » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:35 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Kingdom of Viana wrote:
So I told you calmly why we are allowed to have opinions and then you criticize me? Hypocrite much?

You're allowed to have it just the same as mine. Just as you don't tolerate them, I don't tolerate you.


I didn't criticize your opinion though.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:35 pm

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
He tripled the debt, increase the employment created the myth of the welfare queen and used it to scapegoat people, had the Iran Contra issue, propped up dictators, etc. As for kindness, compassion, and affection, I fail to see how he did any of those things, and are irrelevant


Just look it up! You liberals are close minded!


...This has what do do with my post. And considering the welfare queen bit, I really think he failed to show compassion or kindness and affection.
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Postby Kelinfort » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:37 pm

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:You're allowed to have it just the same as mine. Just as you don't tolerate them, I don't tolerate you.


I didn't criticize your opinion though.

And I cannot criticise yours on a forum for debating because...?

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Postby Chungking » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:37 pm

Probably because Republicans hate people.

Seriously, they hate poor people, non white people, female people, sick people, disabled people, LGBT people, foreign people, non Christian people, educated people and probably lots of other people I'm forgetting as well.

It's only natural to hate those who hate you, so if people hate Republicans, it's probably because Republicans hate them for falling into one of the afore mentioned groups.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:38 pm

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:^

Definition of close minded bigot.


So I told you calmly why we are allowed to have opinions and then you criticize me? Hypocrite much?


Not really, I am allowed to have opinions and to criticize for the same reason you are allowed to have opinions and criticize. Criticizing is not in and of itself closed minded or bigoted.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:38 pm

Avenio wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Considering the word bigot is a very old word, we cannot know that. Second, your point is? Both of those words are descriptions of certain attitudes.


Wikipedia - "Bigotry" wrote:The origin of the word bigot and bigoterie (bigotry) in English dates back to at least 1598, via Middle French, and started with the sense of "religious hypocrite". This meaning still survives in Italian, in the cognate word bigotto. The exact origin of the word is unknown, but it may have come from the German bei and Gott, or the English by God.[2]

William Camden wrote that the Normans were first called bigots, when their Duke Rollo, who when receiving Gisla, daughter of King Charles, in marriage, and with her the investiture of the dukedom, refused to kiss the king's foot in token of subjection – unless the king would hold it out for that specific purpose. When being urged to do it by those present, Rollo answered hastily "No, by God", whereupon the King, turning about, called him bigot, which then passed from him to his people.[3] This is quite probably fictional,[citation needed] as Gisla is unknown in Frankish sources. It is true, however, that the French used the term bigot to abuse the Normans.[4]

The twelfth-century Norman author Wace claimed that bigot was an insult which the French used against the Normans, but it is unclear whether or not this is how it entered the English language.[5]

The French used to call the English les goddams after their favorite curse; Clément Janequin's "La Guerre",[6] which is about the Battle of Marignano, similarly uses the Swiss German curse 'bigot', i.e. "by god!", in a context about the Protestant Swiss.

According to Henry Bradley, the meaning of bigot in the Old French was "detested foreigner", "heretic", and it is supposed that the word was a corruption of Visigot. To the Catholic Franks, the Visigoths of Southern France and Spain were the objects of bitter hatred, both on religious and worldly grounds.[7]


I assume this is supposed to support my post?
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:39 pm

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:You're allowed to have it just the same as mine. Just as you don't tolerate them, I don't tolerate you.


I didn't criticize your opinion though.


You think attacking liberals the way you have is not somehow criticism?
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Postby Skinia » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:39 pm

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:You're allowed to have it just the same as mine. Just as you don't tolerate them, I don't tolerate you.


I didn't criticize your opinion though.

Criticism isn't intolerance.
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Postby Aelex » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:40 pm

As an foreigner who dislike both of Republicans AND Democrat, I can tell you that the major problem in America is the fact you only have TWO political party and absolutlely no left, your people only have the choice of having Right or FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR-Right governement... The fact of only having two party make everuthing become manicheans. It's never a point of view of what is the more appropriate or the more clever to be done even if it's the not in the exact droite ligne of your party but always "IF YOU'RE NOT WITH US, YOU'RE AGAINST US!.
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