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by Kiribati-Tarawa » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:15 pm
by The Black Forrest » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:16 pm
Jordsindia wrote:Olthar wrote:I'm not a Democract, but I'll answer, anyways.
I hate Republicans because they are often socially regressive and economically heartless. When it comes to equality of race, sex, orientation, or gender, their position is "nope." They support policies to eliminate anything and everything that could possibly support minorities or the underprivileged. They continuously try to cut down the social safety nets to protect the poor, such as minimum wage and healthcare. In short, they're old, rich, white men trying to keep everyone else down.
Oh, please. Those programs are unsustainable and you know it, they are bankrupting our country. Something has to be done with them. Cutting it is one thing that could be done. (Before you go berzerk, I also support some cuts to the military, but this will not be near enough to solve any spending problem)
Old, white men? Just stop, seriously. You KNOW this isn't true.
by Scyobayrynn » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:16 pm
Tyrandel wrote:Scyobayrynn wrote:
Okay but you do understand that if you asked the Heads of these Parties, if you asked even the most radical members none of them would say they agree with every single view of the party as whole right?
I mean you understand that the official position of both the Democrat and Republican Parties is to be as inclusive as possible-- that is to say we all dont agree with each other entirely, we just agree with the other guys even less.
And by your generalization you are in fact far more radical in your view of the opposition than say The Islamic State Group.
Yes, I know the Democratic and Republican Parties want to be inclusive. That is a bad thing. It prevents the formation of multiple ideologies and forces American politics into a deadlock between two factions nobody actually likes or supports. It also allows for radical groups like the Tea Party to highjack a major political party, rather than getting stuck as a weak minor party like the UKIP or BNP.
Also, unless I have been beheading Republicans in my sleep, I do not think I am comparable to ISIS.
by Jordsindia » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:16 pm
Scyobayrynn wrote:Jordsindia wrote:Oh, please. Those programs are unsustainable and you know it, they are bankrupting our country. Something has to be done with them. Cutting it is one thing that could be done. (Before you go berzerk, I also support some cuts to the military, but this will not be near enough to solve any spending problem)
Old, white men? Just stop, seriously. You KNOW this isn't true.
It really is true.
and its Rich Old White men, they dont care for working class Whites either I mean beyond using fear mongering and pandering to the lowest common denominator to get the votes then they have no use for the working poor, and absolutely no intention of doing anything to help them be anything but poor.
by Scyobayrynn » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:17 pm
Tyrandel wrote:Scyobayrynn wrote:
Okay but you do understand that if you asked the Heads of these Parties, if you asked even the most radical members none of them would say they agree with every single view of the party as whole right?
I mean you understand that the official position of both the Democrat and Republican Parties is to be as inclusive as possible-- that is to say we all dont agree with each other entirely, we just agree with the other guys even less.
And by your generalization you are in fact far more radical in your view of the opposition than say The Islamic State Group.
Yes, I know the Democratic and Republican Parties want to be inclusive. That is a bad thing. It prevents the formation of multiple ideologies and forces American politics into a deadlock between two factions nobody actually likes or supports. It also allows for radical groups like the Tea Party to highjack a major political party, rather than getting stuck as a weak minor party like the UKIP or BNP.
Also, unless I have been beheading Republicans in my sleep, I do not think I am comparable to ISIS.
by The Black Forrest » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:18 pm
Timsvill wrote:Heraklea- wrote:Texas isn't the worst, but it is still at times over necessarily onerous. Student IDs and the like don't work (fine, I understand that) but out of state IDs are also no go. Legal Texas residents who met the criteria to vote during the last election cycle were turned away because their DL were not issued by Texas. A number of other ones are also not allowable either. You need to have one of a small number of allowable IDs. That is unnecessary and burdensome. The only reason to be so restrictive on what IDs are usable is voter suppression.
And that is the only part you have to rebut?
If we didn't have voters ID. Then people would vote multiple times at multiple places.
by Olthar » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:18 pm
Jordsindia wrote:Olthar wrote:I'm not a Democract, but I'll answer, anyways.
I hate Republicans because they are often socially regressive and economically heartless. When it comes to equality of race, sex, orientation, or gender, their position is "nope." They support policies to eliminate anything and everything that could possibly support minorities or the underprivileged. They continuously try to cut down the social safety nets to protect the poor, such as minimum wage and healthcare. In short, they're old, rich, white men trying to keep everyone else down.
Oh, please. Those programs are unsustainable and you know it, they are bankrupting our country. Something has to be done with them. Cutting it is one thing that could be done. (Before you go berzerk, I also support some cuts to the military, but this will not be near enough to solve any spending problem)
Old, white men? Just stop, seriously. You KNOW this isn't true.
by Kiribati-Tarawa » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:18 pm
Jordsindia wrote:Scyobayrynn wrote:It really is true.
and its Rich Old White men, they dont care for working class Whites either I mean beyond using fear mongering and pandering to the lowest common denominator to get the votes then they have no use for the working poor, and absolutely no intention of doing anything to help them be anything but poor.
If this is the case, I guess Democrats are also the party of old, white men. Ever heard of Mia Love, Tim Scott, Allen West, Marco Rubio? I could go all day.
Fear-mongering? Pandering? This is hardly a one-party thing.
Lowest common denominator? Quit watching Family Guy, kid.
That last common is complete shit. How do Republicans hate the poor? Because they don't hand people free money? I'm sorry, but this is the real world, not fairy land. You can't just do that. Also, Republicans support lower taxes, less regulation on businesses, and projects which would increase employment opportunities. Some Democrats like to keep the poor poor and dependent on the Democrats for all their needs. Makes great voters. Republicans believe that all minorities and poor should have the opportunity to be successful, and believe they can achieve it.
Again, these programs are bankrupting our country, it can't keep going like this. That is why these programs have to be downsized.
by Timsvill » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:18 pm
Heraklea- wrote:Timsvill wrote:If we didn't have voters ID. Then people would vote multiple times at multiple places. They would do this too help the person he or she voted for win. We have voters ID to help prevent that. All you have too do is show some sort of ID to vote! You do that at other places!
Do you have any evidence this happens? There are no voter ID requirements in California. There is no noticeable amounts of voter fraud in the state. Does it happen? Maybe, but the number of times it does is so minuscule as to be meaningless. Voter fraud is not actually a problem. So why create solutions for problems that don't exist?
by Avenio » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:20 pm
Scyobayrynn wrote:This is the polarization I speak of-- see its general and worded to include all republicans. It presumes a homogenuous state of mind among republicans. Yet he likely believes his own side of the political coin hold great diversity of thought.
Its not a slight against you Tyrandel, its thought process that is a bill of goods youve been sold.
by Kiribati-Tarawa » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:21 pm
Olthar wrote:Jordsindia wrote:Oh, please. Those programs are unsustainable and you know it, they are bankrupting our country. Something has to be done with them. Cutting it is one thing that could be done. (Before you go berzerk, I also support some cuts to the military, but this will not be near enough to solve any spending problem)
Old, white men? Just stop, seriously. You KNOW this isn't true.
How about, instead of cutting programs for the poor, we raise taxes on the rich? Or, hell, we don't even need to do that. Just crack down on offshore tax havens that keep trillions out of the hands of the government.
Alright. Name every Republican leader who isn't an old, rich, white man, and lets see how many there are.
by Text People » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:23 pm
by The Black Forrest » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:23 pm
Jordsindia wrote:Scyobayrynn wrote:It really is true.
and its Rich Old White men, they dont care for working class Whites either I mean beyond using fear mongering and pandering to the lowest common denominator to get the votes then they have no use for the working poor, and absolutely no intention of doing anything to help them be anything but poor.
If this is the case, I guess Democrats are also the party of old, white men. Ever heard of Mia Love, Tim Scott, Allen West, Marco Rubio? I could go all day.
Fear-mongering? Pandering? This is hardly a one-party thing.
Lowest common denominator? Quit watching Family Guy, kid.
That last common is complete shit. How do Republicans hate the poor? Because they don't hand people free money? I'm sorry, but this is the real world, not fairy land. You can't just do that.
Also, Republicans support lower taxes,
less regulation on businesses,
and projects which would increase employment opportunities.
Some Democrats like to keep the poor poor and dependent on the Democrats for all their needs.
Makes great voters. Republicans believe that all minorities and poor should have the opportunity to be successful, and believe they can achieve it.
Again, these programs are bankrupting our country, it can't keep going like this. That is why these programs have to be downsized.
by Olthar » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:24 pm
Kiribati-Tarawa wrote:Olthar wrote:How about, instead of cutting programs for the poor, we raise taxes on the rich? Or, hell, we don't even need to do that. Just crack down on offshore tax havens that keep trillions out of the hands of the government.
Alright. Name every Republican leader who isn't an old, rich, white man, and lets see how many there are.
I don't subscribe to the idea that one's socioeconomic background makes them a good or bad leader or political ideologist. Just because you are one thing doesn't mean you can't understand something that isn't you. Just because one is rich and white doesn't mean that they don't want the best for the poor. It's no better than saying someone is unqualified to lead because they are poor.
by The Black Forrest » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:26 pm
Timsvill wrote:Heraklea- wrote:Do you have any evidence this happens? There are no voter ID requirements in California. There is no noticeable amounts of voter fraud in the state. Does it happen? Maybe, but the number of times it does is so minuscule as to be meaningless. Voter fraud is not actually a problem. So why create solutions for problems that don't exist?
http://ivn.us/2014/01/16/hard-evidence- ... r-id-laws/
There's you're evidence! Or a way too back up my claim
by Jordsindia » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:28 pm
Olthar wrote:Jordsindia wrote:Oh, please. Those programs are unsustainable and you know it, they are bankrupting our country. Something has to be done with them. Cutting it is one thing that could be done. (Before you go berzerk, I also support some cuts to the military, but this will not be near enough to solve any spending problem)
Old, white men? Just stop, seriously. You KNOW this isn't true.
How about, instead of cutting programs for the poor, we raise taxes on the rich? Or, hell, we don't even need to do that. Just crack down on offshore tax havens that keep trillions out of the hands of the government.
Alright. Name every Republican leader who isn't an old, rich, white man, and lets see how many there are.
by Scyobayrynn » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:31 pm
Jordsindia wrote:Scyobayrynn wrote:It really is true.
and its Rich Old White men, they dont care for working class Whites either I mean beyond using fear mongering and pandering to the lowest common denominator to get the votes then they have no use for the working poor, and absolutely no intention of doing anything to help them be anything but poor.
If this is the case, I guess Democrats are also the party of old, white men. Ever heard of Mia Love, Tim Scott, Allen West, Marco Rubio? I could go all day.
Fear-mongering? Pandering? This is hardly a one-party thing.
Lowest common denominator? Quit watching Family Guy, kid.
That last common is complete shit. How do Republicans hate the poor? Because they don't hand people free money? I'm sorry, but this is the real world, not fairy land. You can't just do that. Also, Republicans support lower taxes, less regulation on businesses, and projects which would increase employment opportunities. Some Democrats like to keep the poor poor and dependent on the Democrats for all their needs. Makes great voters. Republicans believe that all minorities and poor should have the opportunity to be successful, and believe they can achieve it.
Again, these programs are bankrupting our country, it can't keep going like this. That is why these programs have to be downsized.
by Kiribati-Tarawa » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:33 pm
Olthar wrote:Kiribati-Tarawa wrote:I don't subscribe to the idea that one's socioeconomic background makes them a good or bad leader or political ideologist. Just because you are one thing doesn't mean you can't understand something that isn't you. Just because one is rich and white doesn't mean that they don't want the best for the poor. It's no better than saying someone is unqualified to lead because they are poor.
This is true. Unfortunately, it does not seem to apply to the Republican party.
Former Clinton advisor William Galston sums up the matter this way: you need only do three things in this country to avoid poverty—finish high school, marry before having a child, and marry after the age of 20. Only 8 percent of the families who do this are poor; 79 percent of those who fail to do this are poor.
by Scyobayrynn » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:35 pm
Avenio wrote:Scyobayrynn wrote:This is the polarization I speak of-- see its general and worded to include all republicans. It presumes a homogenuous state of mind among republicans. Yet he likely believes his own side of the political coin hold great diversity of thought.
Its not a slight against you Tyrandel, its thought process that is a bill of goods youve been sold.
Being able to nitpick and quibble about ideology is the luxury of someone who is not slated for dehumanization by a party's politics. Anyone who identifies as a Republican and votes for people that hold the mainstream Republican view implicitly supports the Republican policies that target people like me (and presumably Tyrandel, but they weren't entirely specific).
by Heraklea- » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:35 pm
Timsvill wrote:http://ivn.us/2014/01/16/hard-evidence-supports-need-voter-id-laws/
There's you're evidence! Or a way too back up my claim
by Kiribati-Tarawa » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:37 pm
Scyobayrynn wrote:Avenio wrote:
Being able to nitpick and quibble about ideology is the luxury of someone who is not slated for dehumanization by a party's politics. Anyone who identifies as a Republican and votes for people that hold the mainstream Republican view implicitly supports the Republican policies that target people like me (and presumably Tyrandel, but they weren't entirely specific).
You make assumptions about me because I do not participate in generalizing millions of people.
Then please also assume I am not an intolerant politicized ass, who uses weak excuses to justify my own brand of intolerance against those I disagree with.
Scyobayrynn wrote:Jordsindia wrote:Oh, please. Those programs are unsustainable and you know it, they are bankrupting our country. Something has to be done with them. Cutting it is one thing that could be done. (Before you go berzerk, I also support some cuts to the military, but this will not be near enough to solve any spending problem)
Old, white men? Just stop, seriously. You KNOW this isn't true.
It really is true.
and its Rich Old White men, they dont care for working class Whites either I mean beyond using fear mongering and pandering to the lowest common denominator to get the votes then they have no use for the working poor, and absolutely no intention of doing anything to help them be anything but poor.
by The Black Forrest » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:38 pm
Jordsindia wrote:Olthar wrote: How about, instead of cutting programs for the poor, we raise taxes on the rich? Or, hell, we don't even need to do that. Just crack down on offshore tax havens that keep trillions out of the hands of the government.
Alright. Name every Republican leader who isn't an old, rich, white man, and lets see how many there are.
This is why.
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