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Souriya Al-Assad
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Founded: Aug 26, 2013
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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:52 am

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Souriya Al-Assad wrote:Air defences, anti-shipping missiles.

How are you planning on getting those, mate?

Join the Novorossiya struggle, move to Syria to help the Syrian Arab Army, join the Palestinian struggle, help the Libyan Green résistance, help Polisario, help other movements, form my international brigades, steal some Ukie units during time in Ukraine, arrange a deal with Hezbollah for some of their stuff with a Russian government loan, sign a mutual defence pact with Putin & co, ask them for a generous sum for weapons purchases, repay them once in power.
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Human Beings are humans, not property.Corporations, (Corporate Property), is property; it is not a human being.Once we understand these two simple concepts, we can move on as a society. - Shofercia | What I believe besides agreeing with the above: Corporations/Conglomerates are vile scum that need to be nationalised, centralised, collectivised as well as redistributed directly back to the masses themselves to control via popular committees. Vive le Communisme! Vive l'idéologie Mathaba!
Imperialism makes monsters out of Man. - Comrade Ernesto Che Guevara.
Allah, Souriya, Bashar w bas! - EPIC
Basically, this. Our form of gov..
NS wars: 1/1/1/1.
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Sebastianbourg
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:52 am

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:How are you planning on getting those, mate?

Join the Novorossiya struggle, move to Syria to help the Syrian Arab Army, join the Palestinian struggle, help the Libyan Green résistance, help Polisario, help other movements, form my international brigades, steal some Ukie units during time in Ukraine, sign a mutual defence pact with Putin & co, ask them for a generous sum for weapons purchases, repay them once in power.

:rofl:

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European Socialist Republic
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Founded: Apr 09, 2013
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:53 am

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:How are you planning on getting those, mate?

Join the Novorossiya struggle, move to Syria to help the Syrian Arab Army, join the Palestinian struggle, help the Libyan Green résistance, help Polisario, help other movements, form my international brigades, steal some Ukie units during time in Ukraine, arrange a deal with Hezbollah for some of their stuff with a Russian government loan, sign a mutual defence pact with Putin & co, ask them for a generous sum for weapons purchases, repay them once in power.

Not sure if serious...
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I am a far-left moderate social libertarian.
Left: 9.13
Libertarian: 2.62
Non-interventionalist: 7.34
Cultural liberal: 9.12
I am a Trotskyist.
Cosmopolitan: 71%
Secular: 80%
Visionary: 62%
Anarchistic: 43%
Communistic: 78%
Pacifist: 40%
Anthropocentric: 50%

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Hippie Kiwis
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Founded: Jan 31, 2014
Father Knows Best State

Postby Hippie Kiwis » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:54 am

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Souriya Al-Assad wrote:Join the Novorossiya struggle, move to Syria to help the Syrian Arab Army, join the Palestinian struggle, help the Libyan Green résistance, help Polisario, help other movements, form my international brigades, steal some Ukie units during time in Ukraine, arrange a deal with Hezbollah for some of their stuff with a Russian government loan, sign a mutual defence pact with Putin & co, ask them for a generous sum for weapons purchases, repay them once in power.

Not sure if serious...

don't think so
This place is not a place of honor... no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here... nothing valued is here. What is here was dangerous and repulsive to us.
The danger is in a particular location... it increases towards a center... the center of danger is here... of a particular size and shape, and below us.
The danger is still present, in your time, as it was in ours. The danger is to the body, and it can kill. The form of the danger is an emanation of energy.
The danger is unleashed only if you substantially disturb this place physically. This place is best shunned and left uninhabited.

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Valaran
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Postby Valaran » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:54 am

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:How are you planning on getting those, mate?

Join the Novorossiya struggle, move to Syria to help the Syrian Arab Army, join the Palestinian struggle, help the Libyan Green résistance, help Polisario, help other movements, form my international brigades, steal some Ukie units during time in Ukraine, arrange a deal with Hezbollah for some of their stuff with a Russian government loan, sign a mutual defence pact with Putin & co, ask them for a generous sum for weapons purchases, repay them once in power.


Souriya, could you predict a percentage of how likely any (the guerrilla army, NATO failing, Russia supplying all this stuff) of this is to happen?
I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
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Souriya Al-Assad
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Founded: Aug 26, 2013
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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:54 am

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Souriya Al-Assad wrote:Join the Novorossiya struggle, move to Syria to help the Syrian Arab Army, join the Palestinian struggle, help the Libyan Green résistance, help Polisario, help other movements, form my international brigades, steal some Ukie units during time in Ukraine, sign a mutual defence pact with Putin & co, ask them for a generous sum for weapons purchases, repay them once in power.

:rofl:

Come on, I would not be the first one historically speaking to have done that.

International Brigades in Spain, Che Guevara, Vietnam's Communist revolutionaries, Algeria's FLN...

Cold War 2,0 is here, it should not be difficult to convince Russia to give me what I need.
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Human Beings are humans, not property.Corporations, (Corporate Property), is property; it is not a human being.Once we understand these two simple concepts, we can move on as a society. - Shofercia | What I believe besides agreeing with the above: Corporations/Conglomerates are vile scum that need to be nationalised, centralised, collectivised as well as redistributed directly back to the masses themselves to control via popular committees. Vive le Communisme! Vive l'idéologie Mathaba!
Imperialism makes monsters out of Man. - Comrade Ernesto Che Guevara.
Allah, Souriya, Bashar w bas! - EPIC
Basically, this. Our form of gov..
NS wars: 1/1/1/1.
USSR/Yugo HDIs 1992 - Haters are going to hate
EPIC 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Hezbollah Compass TRUTH

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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:54 am

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:How are you planning on getting those, mate?

Join the Novorossiya struggle, move to Syria to help the Syrian Arab Army, join the Palestinian struggle, help the Libyan Green résistance, help Polisario, help other movements, form my international brigades, steal some Ukie units during time in Ukraine, arrange a deal with Hezbollah for some of their stuff with a Russian government loan, sign a mutual defence pact with Putin & co, ask them for a generous sum for weapons purchases, repay them once in power.


Yeah, good luck with all that.
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European Socialist Republic
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Founded: Apr 09, 2013
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:54 am

Valaran wrote:
Souriya Al-Assad wrote:Join the Novorossiya struggle, move to Syria to help the Syrian Arab Army, join the Palestinian struggle, help the Libyan Green résistance, help Polisario, help other movements, form my international brigades, steal some Ukie units during time in Ukraine, arrange a deal with Hezbollah for some of their stuff with a Russian government loan, sign a mutual defence pact with Putin & co, ask them for a generous sum for weapons purchases, repay them once in power.


Souriya, could you predict a percentage of how likely any (the guerrilla army, NATO failing, Russia supplying all this stuff) of this is to happen?

I can. 0%.
Economic Left/Right: -7
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.9
I am a far-left moderate social libertarian.
Left: 9.13
Libertarian: 2.62
Non-interventionalist: 7.34
Cultural liberal: 9.12
I am a Trotskyist.
Cosmopolitan: 71%
Secular: 80%
Visionary: 62%
Anarchistic: 43%
Communistic: 78%
Pacifist: 40%
Anthropocentric: 50%

Legalize Tyranny, Impeach the Twenty-second Amendment, Term Limits are Theft, Barack Obama 2016!
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Insaeldor
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Founded: Aug 26, 2014
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Insaeldor » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:55 am

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:And how do you plan to stop the NATO intervention?

Air defences, anti-shipping missiles.

With a commander similar to Zoltán Dani, the Serb whose units gave NATO warplanes a decent bloody nose in the 1990s. According to numerous Yugoslav sources they shot down anywhere between 36-70 NATO aircraft, a few dozen helicopters, 60 UAV whilst also a decent number of NATO cruise missiles. If they could do it with their older air defence units, imagine what more capable air defence systems developed by Russia, China as well as Iran can achieve now. Especially, if let's say I got my hands on the DWL-2000 Chinese radar for my guerilla army.

Valaran wrote:

Polite disagreement :)



lolwut? (less polite)

Soviet-Chinese-DPRK aid to Vietnam greatly increased their chances of standing up to neo-imperialist forces. Furthermore, in several instances, Vietnamese air defences shot down a great deal of coalition planes.


>assumes 90's are a proper comparison given advancements in technology.
>said AA systems are but you assume russian and chine will just go "fucking take it all!"
>in Vietnam US aircraft we're meant for close in combat or assaults within AA range. That's why US military aircraft doctriane was changed after the war.
>NV's victory had more to do with incompetent SV troops and unwilling western troops. The west was still kicking ass even when they didn't feel like while you had all that fancy new soviet and Chinese tech.
Time is a prismatic uniform polyhedron

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United facist States of America
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Founded: Oct 01, 2014
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Postby United facist States of America » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:55 am

Sweden
Probably Socialdemokraterna, Vänsterpartiet, Miljöpartiet and centerpartiet teaming up to try to stop Sverigedemokraterna getting more powerful. Oh, and the Feminist Initiative is probably getting into the Parliament ( i'm praying that that won't happen ).
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Sebastianbourg
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Founded: Apr 06, 2013
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:55 am

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote: :rofl:

Come on, I would not be the first one historically speaking to have done that.

Who has done that? Not even the most-notable Latin American independence leaders 'liberated' so many countries.

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Valaran
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Founded: May 25, 2014
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Postby Valaran » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:55 am

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Valaran wrote:
Souriya, could you predict a percentage of how likely any (the guerrilla army, NATO failing, Russia supplying all this stuff) of this is to happen?

I can. 0%.



And that's the right answer!

But since this is also opinion based....
I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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Sebastianbourg
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:56 am

United facist States of America wrote:Sweden
Probably Socialdemokraterna, Vänsterpartiet, Miljöpartiet and centerpartiet teaming up to try to stop Sverigedemokraterna getting more powerful. Oh, and the Feminist Initiative is probably getting into the Parliament ( i'm praying that that won't happen ).

What does the Feminist Initiative advocate? Castrating all of us?

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Valaran
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Postby Valaran » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:56 am

Insaeldor wrote:
>assumes 90's are a proper comparison given advancements in technology.
>said AA systems are but you assume russian and chine will just go "fucking take it all!"
>in Vietnam US aircraft we're meant for close in combat or assaults within AA range. That's why US military aircraft doctriane was changed after the war.
>NV's victory had more to do with incompetent SV troops and unwilling western troops. The west was still kicking ass even when they didn't feel like while you had all that fancy new soviet and Chinese tech.



I would like to add one to the list:

>assumes such a rebellion would even happen in the first place
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I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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Souriya Al-Assad
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Founded: Aug 26, 2013
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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:58 am

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Souriya Al-Assad wrote:Come on, I would not be the first one historically speaking to have done that.

Who has done that? Not even the most-notable Latin American independence leaders 'liberated' so many countries.

You know the Soviets as well as the Chinese have supplied a great deal of revolutions in addition to revolutionary governments worldwide yes? Ultimately its down to them to resume this role in full.

Human Beings are humans, not property.Corporations, (Corporate Property), is property; it is not a human being.Once we understand these two simple concepts, we can move on as a society. - Shofercia | What I believe besides agreeing with the above: Corporations/Conglomerates are vile scum that need to be nationalised, centralised, collectivised as well as redistributed directly back to the masses themselves to control via popular committees. Vive le Communisme! Vive l'idéologie Mathaba!
Imperialism makes monsters out of Man. - Comrade Ernesto Che Guevara.
Allah, Souriya, Bashar w bas! - EPIC
Basically, this. Our form of gov..
NS wars: 1/1/1/1.
USSR/Yugo HDIs 1992 - Haters are going to hate
EPIC 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Hezbollah Compass TRUTH

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Insaeldor
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Founded: Aug 26, 2014
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Postby Insaeldor » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:58 am

Valaran wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:I can. 0%.



And that's the right answer!

But since this is also opinion based....


More based on facts then you know

Valaran wrote:
Insaeldor wrote:
>assumes 90's are a proper comparison given advancements in technology.
>said AA systems are but you assume russian and chine will just go "fucking take it all!"
>in Vietnam US aircraft we're meant for close in combat or assaults within AA range. That's why US military aircraft doctriane was changed after the war.
>NV's victory had more to do with incompetent SV troops and unwilling western troops. The west was still kicking ass even when they didn't feel like while you had all that fancy new soviet and Chinese tech.



I would like to add one to the list:

>assumes such a rebellion would even happen


As shit I forgot, that's for fixing up a bit there :p
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Sebastianbourg
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:58 am

Valaran wrote:
Insaeldor wrote:
>assumes 90's are a proper comparison given advancements in technology.
>said AA systems are but you assume russian and chine will just go "fucking take it all!"
>in Vietnam US aircraft we're meant for close in combat or assaults within AA range. That's why US military aircraft doctriane was changed after the war.
>NV's victory had more to do with incompetent SV troops and unwilling western troops. The west was still kicking ass even when they didn't feel like while you had all that fancy new soviet and Chinese tech.



I would like to add one to the list:

>assumes such a rebellion would even happen in the first place

>Assumes such a rebellion would happen in a developed country like France. This sort of revolution only occurs when the people are hungry, disenfranchised and fed-up with the elites.

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Gigaverse
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Postby Gigaverse » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:59 am

Allow me to declare my inability to comment regarding the political situation in Vietnam.
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MAKE CAKE NOT stupidshiticanmakefunof.
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European Socialist Republic
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:00 am

Valaran wrote:
Insaeldor wrote:
>assumes 90's are a proper comparison given advancements in technology.
>said AA systems are but you assume russian and chine will just go "fucking take it all!"
>in Vietnam US aircraft we're meant for close in combat or assaults within AA range. That's why US military aircraft doctriane was changed after the war.
>NV's victory had more to do with incompetent SV troops and unwilling western troops. The west was still kicking ass even when they didn't feel like while you had all that fancy new soviet and Chinese tech.



I would like to add one to the list:

>assumes such a rebellion would even happen in the first place

> assumes he can get enough men to defeat NATO

The Luxembourg army would already be enough.
Last edited by European Socialist Republic on Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:00 am, edited 1 time in total.
Economic Left/Right: -7
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.9
I am a far-left moderate social libertarian.
Left: 9.13
Libertarian: 2.62
Non-interventionalist: 7.34
Cultural liberal: 9.12
I am a Trotskyist.
Cosmopolitan: 71%
Secular: 80%
Visionary: 62%
Anarchistic: 43%
Communistic: 78%
Pacifist: 40%
Anthropocentric: 50%

Legalize Tyranny, Impeach the Twenty-second Amendment, Term Limits are Theft, Barack Obama 2016!
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Sebastianbourg
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:00 am

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:Who has done that? Not even the most-notable Latin American independence leaders 'liberated' so many countries.

You know the Soviets as well as the Chinese have supplied a great deal of revolutions in addition to revolutionary governments worldwide yes? Ultimately its down to them to resume this role in full.

Mate, the USSR doesn't exist any more and the Russian Federation is as capitalistic as can be. Along those lines, China is possibly the most capitalistic country in the world and therefore not interested in sponsoring a communist/state socialist revolution in France which is quite an important trading-partner for them and in which many Chinese citizens hold property.
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Valaran
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Postby Valaran » Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:00 am

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:Who has done that? Not even the most-notable Latin American independence leaders 'liberated' so many countries.

You know the Soviets as well as the Chinese have supplied a great deal of revolutions in addition to revolutionary governments worldwide yes? Ultimately its down to them to resume this role in full.



Key point: There are no more soviets. The USSR is not a thing, stop trying to make the USSR happen!

(extra points if you get the reference)
I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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Insaeldor
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Insaeldor » Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:00 am

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Valaran wrote:

I would like to add one to the list:

>assumes such a rebellion would even happen in the first place

>Assumes such a rebellion would happen in a developed country like France. This sort of revolution only occurs when the people are hungry, disenfranchised and fed-up with the elites.


Pot smoking space nazis taking over the UN with the help of Chatulu and the Illuminati is more realistic.
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Valaran
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Postby Valaran » Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:01 am

Sebastianbourg wrote:>Assumes such a rebellion would happen in a developed country like France. This sort of revolution only occurs when the people are hungry, disenfranchised and fed-up with the elites.


and even then.... its either crushed brutally or the revolutionaries lose their ideals in most cases.
I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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Sebastianbourg
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:02 am

Valaran wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:>Assumes such a rebellion would happen in a developed country like France. This sort of revolution only occurs when the people are hungry, disenfranchised and fed-up with the elites.


and even then.... its either crushed brutally or the revolutionaries lose their ideals in most cases.

Indeed.

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Valaran
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Postby Valaran » Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:02 am

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Valaran wrote:

I would like to add one to the list:

>assumes such a rebellion would even happen in the first place

> assumes he can get enough men to defeat NATO

The Luxembourg army would already be enough.


*Sends in the Liechtenstein police force*
I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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