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Hippie Kiwis
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Postby Hippie Kiwis » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:40 am

I personally don't think that the human race has reached the point at which we are adapted to live in a complex civilization. The human race is currently at the point where we can exist well on the tribal stage, but it will take millennia for us to adapt to advanced civilization.
This place is not a place of honor... no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here... nothing valued is here. What is here was dangerous and repulsive to us.
The danger is in a particular location... it increases towards a center... the center of danger is here... of a particular size and shape, and below us.
The danger is still present, in your time, as it was in ours. The danger is to the body, and it can kill. The form of the danger is an emanation of energy.
The danger is unleashed only if you substantially disturb this place physically. This place is best shunned and left uninhabited.

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Sebastianbourg
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:41 am

Insaeldor wrote:
Valaran wrote:
Seconded. Hedonism is underrated :p

Bruh it's all about the tecnoarchy lead by a platonite style Philosopher King with elements and trans humanist meta-socialist nationalism and welfare anarchy

*nods heavily*

Plato was probably on drugs when he wrote The Republic; his plans are utterly ridiculous. The same goes for Sir Thomas More although his Utopia can serve as a pretty good proto-novel too.

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Valaran
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Postby Valaran » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:41 am

Insaeldor wrote:
Valaran wrote:
Seconded. Hedonism is underrated :p

Bruh it's all about the tecnoarchy lead by a platonite style Philosopher King with elements and trans humanist meta-socialist nationalism and welfare anarchy

*nods heavily*


*vigiourous nodding ensures*

*hurts neck*


'Trans humanist meta-socialist' Its a thing now.

Also we need to vote on a philosopher king at once!
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:41 am

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Seems like a good idea on paper, but in reality, it is highly unlikely that it would work.

If I get Russia & co to supply this revolution like they have for the People's Army of Vietnam... the likelihood of its successful realisation disproportionately increases.

And how do you plan to stop the NATO intervention?
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:41 am

Hippie Kiwis wrote:I personally don't think that the human race has reached the point at which we are adapted to live in a complex civilization. The human race is currently at the point where we can exist well on the tribal stage, but it will take millennia for us to adapt to advanced civilization.

What is exactly is your definition of an advanced civilisation?

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The Orson Empire
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Postby The Orson Empire » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:41 am

Hippie Kiwis wrote:I personally don't think that the human race has reached the point at which we are adapted to live in a complex civilization. The human race is currently at the point where we can exist well on the tribal stage, but it will take millennia for us to adapt to advanced civilization.

What the fuck are you talking about?

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Insaeldor
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Postby Insaeldor » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:42 am

The Orson Empire wrote:
Hippie Kiwis wrote:I personally don't think that the human race has reached the point at which we are adapted to live in a complex civilization. The human race is currently at the point where we can exist well on the tribal stage, but it will take millennia for us to adapt to advanced civilization.

What the fuck are you talking about?

MDMA will fuck you up :p
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Sebastianbourg
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:42 am

Valaran wrote:
Insaeldor wrote:Bruh it's all about the tecnoarchy lead by a platonite style Philosopher King with elements and trans humanist meta-socialist nationalism and welfare anarchy

*nods heavily*


*vigiourous nodding ensures*

*hurts neck*


'Trans humanist meta-socialist' Its a thing now.

Also we need to vote on a philosopher king at once!

Didn't he reject democracy?

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Postby Valaran » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:42 am

Hippie Kiwis wrote:I personally don't think that the human race has reached the point at which we are adapted to live in a complex civilization. The human race is currently at the point where we can exist well on the tribal stage, but it will take millennia for us to adapt to advanced civilization.



Polite disagreement :)

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:If I get Russia & co to supply this revolution like they have for the People's Army of Vietnam... the likelihood of its successful realisation disproportionately increases.


lolwut? (less polite)
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Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
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Hippie Kiwis
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Postby Hippie Kiwis » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:43 am

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Hippie Kiwis wrote:I personally don't think that the human race has reached the point at which we are adapted to live in a complex civilization. The human race is currently at the point where we can exist well on the tribal stage, but it will take millennia for us to adapt to advanced civilization.

What is exactly is your definition of an advanced civilisation?

democracy, cities, nations, etc...
This place is not a place of honor... no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here... nothing valued is here. What is here was dangerous and repulsive to us.
The danger is in a particular location... it increases towards a center... the center of danger is here... of a particular size and shape, and below us.
The danger is still present, in your time, as it was in ours. The danger is to the body, and it can kill. The form of the danger is an emanation of energy.
The danger is unleashed only if you substantially disturb this place physically. This place is best shunned and left uninhabited.

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Valaran
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Postby Valaran » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:44 am

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Valaran wrote:
*vigiourous nodding ensures*

*hurts neck*


'Trans humanist meta-socialist' Its a thing now.

Also we need to vote on a philosopher king at once!

Didn't he reject democracy?


the philosopher king? But we haven't appointed him/her yet, so they can't have already rejected it.
I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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Sebastianbourg
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:44 am

Hippie Kiwis wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:What is exactly is your definition of an advanced civilisation?

democracy, cities, nations, etc...

I'm starting to believe you're role-playing as that kiwi-bird from the first page of this thread.

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Hippie Kiwis
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Postby Hippie Kiwis » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:45 am

I like the idea of the philosopher king.
This place is not a place of honor... no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here... nothing valued is here. What is here was dangerous and repulsive to us.
The danger is in a particular location... it increases towards a center... the center of danger is here... of a particular size and shape, and below us.
The danger is still present, in your time, as it was in ours. The danger is to the body, and it can kill. The form of the danger is an emanation of energy.
The danger is unleashed only if you substantially disturb this place physically. This place is best shunned and left uninhabited.

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:45 am

Valaran wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:Didn't he reject democracy?


the philosopher king? But we haven't appointed him/her yet, so they can't have already rejected it.

No, Plato.

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Soled
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Postby Soled » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:45 am

I think Norway will have an Arbeiderpartiet (Labour) government next time. Høyre (Conservatives) and Fremskrittspartiet (Progressives) have made too many unpopular choices because they think they are so-almighty and will rule forever...
e; in addition ballots show that the Labour leader is currently much more popular than the Conservative prime minister.
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Sebastianbourg
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:45 am

Hippie Kiwis wrote:I like the idea of the philosopher king.

It's too idealistic in my humble opinion; classical republicanism (which endorses monarchy as opposed to modern republicanism) ftw.

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Insaeldor
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Postby Insaeldor » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:45 am

Valaran wrote:
Insaeldor wrote:Bruh it's all about the tecnoarchy lead by a platonite style Philosopher King with elements and trans humanist meta-socialist nationalism and welfare anarchy

*nods heavily*


*vigiourous nodding ensures*

*hurts neck*


'Trans humanist meta-socialist' Its a thing now.

Also we need to vote on a philosopher king at once!


But we must first impose the rule of a Vanguard entity through the collective though of humankind. Then we must establish Kantian law and democracy before said transition is done.

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Valaran wrote:
*vigiourous nodding ensures*

*hurts neck*


'Trans humanist meta-socialist' Its a thing now.

Also we need to vote on a philosopher king at once!

Didn't he reject democracy?

Sarcasm bruh sarcasm. But yeah he did mostly because he had a bitchfit after Athens executed his mentor (can't remember if Aristotle or Socrates)
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:47 am

Soled wrote:I think Norway will have an Arbeiderpartiet (Labour) government next time. Høyre (Conservatives) and Fremskrittspartiet (Progressives) have made too many unpopular choices because they think they are so-almighty and will rule forever...

Has Erna Solberg been a bad PM? Do you want the Nato Sec-Gen back?

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Postby Valaran » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:47 am

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Valaran wrote:
the philosopher king? But we haven't appointed him/her yet, so they can't have already rejected it.

No, Plato.



oh, oops.

Well, its hard to tell as he never states his own view outright in his work. Instead, he puts his views in the mouths of others (namely Socrates) so its difficult to work who is really speaking and who believes what.

But there are several implicit attacks on radical democracy that Athens had adopted from Pericles.... but also on the current oligarchy at the time of Socrates's death.
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Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
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Souriya Al-Assad
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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:47 am

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Souriya Al-Assad wrote:If I get Russia & co to supply this revolution like they have for the People's Army of Vietnam... the likelihood of its successful realisation disproportionately increases.

And how do you plan to stop the NATO intervention?

Air defences, anti-shipping missiles.

With a commander similar to Zoltán Dani, the Serb whose units gave NATO warplanes a decent bloody nose in the 1990s. According to numerous Yugoslav sources they shot down anywhere between 36-70 NATO aircraft, a few dozen helicopters, 60 UAV whilst also a decent number of NATO cruise missiles. If they could do it with their older air defence units, imagine what more capable air defence systems developed by Russia, China as well as Iran can achieve now. Especially, if let's say I got my hands on the DWL-2000 Chinese radar for my guerilla army.

Valaran wrote:
Hippie Kiwis wrote:I personally don't think that the human race has reached the point at which we are adapted to live in a complex civilization. The human race is currently at the point where we can exist well on the tribal stage, but it will take millennia for us to adapt to advanced civilization.



Polite disagreement :)

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:If I get Russia & co to supply this revolution like they have for the People's Army of Vietnam... the likelihood of its successful realisation disproportionately increases.


lolwut? (less polite)

Soviet-Chinese-DPRK aid to Vietnam greatly increased their chances of standing up to neo-imperialist forces. Furthermore, in several instances, Vietnamese air defences shot down a great deal of coalition planes.
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Hippie Kiwis
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Postby Hippie Kiwis » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:47 am

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Hippie Kiwis wrote:I like the idea of the philosopher king.

It's too idealistic in my humble opinion; classical republicanism (which endorses monarchy as opposed to modern republicanism) ftw.

both are better than some types of government.
This place is not a place of honor... no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here... nothing valued is here. What is here was dangerous and repulsive to us.
The danger is in a particular location... it increases towards a center... the center of danger is here... of a particular size and shape, and below us.
The danger is still present, in your time, as it was in ours. The danger is to the body, and it can kill. The form of the danger is an emanation of energy.
The danger is unleashed only if you substantially disturb this place physically. This place is best shunned and left uninhabited.

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:48 am

Insaeldor wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:Didn't he reject democracy?

Sarcasm bruh sarcasm. But yeah he did mostly because he had a bitchfit after Athens executed his mentor (can't remember if Aristotle or Socrates)

My sarcasm detector went-off long ago, I was just trying to point out the problem with voting for Plato's ideal Philosopher-King. Socrates was his mentor if I remember correctly.
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:49 am

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:And how do you plan to stop the NATO intervention?

Air defences, anti-shipping missiles.

How are you planning on getting those, mate?

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Postby New Chalcedon » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:49 am

Bandwagon wrote:I decided that we need a thread to discuss who your country's next government will be.
My prediction for the Republic of Ireland is:
A Coalition of Sinn Féin/Independents and Others/Fianna Fáil.
According to latest polls that would have about 70% of the vote.
It could have even more by February 2016.
What do you think will happen in your IRL country?


Australia here - my prediction is an ALP Government after the 2016 election, given how unpopular the incumbent Coalition (and Tony Abbott in particular) is, combined with how politically tone-deaf they also seem to be. If Abbott's rolled in favour of a better leader, the Coalition may hang on...but I wouldn't bet on it.
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Postby Valaran » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:51 am

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:And how do you plan to stop the NATO intervention?

Air defences, anti-shipping missiles.

With a commander similar to Zoltán Dani, the Serb whose units gave NATO warplanes a decent bloody nose in the 1990s. According to numerous Yugoslav sources they shot down anywhere between 36-70 NATO aircraft, a few dozen helicopters, 60 UAV whilst also a decent number of NATO cruise missiles. If they could do it with their older air defence units, imagine what more capable air defence systems developed by Russia, China as well as Iran can achieve now. Especially, if let's say I got my hands on the DWL-2000 Chinese radar for my guerilla army.

Soviet-Chinese-DPRK aid to Vietnam greatly increased their chances of standing up to neo-imperialist forces. Furthermore, in several instances, Vietnamese air defences shot down a great deal of coalition planes.



neo-imperialist forces


my guerilla army



Please please take up my bet on France becoming like this. We'll, say call it in 3 decades?
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I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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