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Kelinfort
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Postby Kelinfort » Sat Nov 29, 2014 4:22 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Ripoll wrote:
No, I will not accept it. Please cite more von misses


I am a Keynesian now. Accept it.

I am really damn tired and don't want to threadjack this for such shit.

Post or Neo? :p

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Postby Laerod » Sat Nov 29, 2014 4:33 pm

Shnercropolis wrote:Unfortunately I think we might end up with a Repooblican president and a Repooblican congress if Obama doesn't do anything game-changing in the next 2 years.

I linked a piece written by a Republican a few pages back that analyzes just how fucked the Republicans are come 2016. As far as midterms in a President's second term go, the Republicans did marginally worse. And that's considering that midterms traditionally favor the Republicans anyway. Most of the Senate seats they won were in Red or Purple States to begin with, one that they didn't was the one in Virginia. The House elections are somewhat meaningless for predicting the Presidential race given the excessive gerrymandering that gave the Republicans a comfortable lead in the House despite losing the popular vote. The amount of states the Democrats have an advantage in nearly add up to 270 electoral votes, assuming Virginia can't be considered a Blue State yet.

Add two years of Republican "solutions" and hubris from having won these midterms to the mix and you'll see that it's not really looking good for the Republicans in the long term.

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Postby Ripoll » Sat Nov 29, 2014 4:57 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
I am a Keynesian now. Accept it.

I am really damn tired and don't want to threadjack this for such shit.

Post or Neo? :p


Post Keynes is nonsense tbh, New Keynes is where it's at
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:08 pm

Alizeria wrote:I definitely think that a Labour victory is within the realms of possibility in 2017 (whereas in 2011 and 2014 it was pretty much in the bag for the Nats) and that Andrew Little could make an effective Prime Minister. It'll be a close one, but on the other hand my gut instinct says Key might just go for the record. You can tell he's modelled himself off Keith Holyoake and he could well reach that goal.

But it's way too early to tell, though I suspect Labour are going to do a lot better in 2017 under Little's leadership.

-- Remind me to put more detailed reasons for why I think National can win a fourth term in this space tomorrow when I'm sober--


It should do. First impressions of Little is that he doesn't seem like the sort of batshit people that took Labour away from where the votes were in the center of the party. He kind of makes sense, especially given how he might introduce a universal income (which is good news for everyone).

The fact remains that Labour really can't do anything worse than what it achieved this year. Even Labour die hards realized that something was seriously wrong with the direction the party was going in.
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Postby Ripoll » Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:24 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Alizeria wrote:I definitely think that a Labour victory is within the realms of possibility in 2017 (whereas in 2011 and 2014 it was pretty much in the bag for the Nats) and that Andrew Little could make an effective Prime Minister. It'll be a close one, but on the other hand my gut instinct says Key might just go for the record. You can tell he's modelled himself off Keith Holyoake and he could well reach that goal.

But it's way too early to tell, though I suspect Labour are going to do a lot better in 2017 under Little's leadership.

-- Remind me to put more detailed reasons for why I think National can win a fourth term in this space tomorrow when I'm sober--


It should do. First impressions of Little is that he doesn't seem like the sort of batshit people that took Labour away from where the votes were in the center of the party. He kind of makes sense, especially given how he might introduce a universal income (which is good news for everyone).

The fact remains that Labour really can't do anything worse than what it achieved this year. Even Labour die hards realized that something was seriously wrong with the direction the party was going in.


Define universal income, because if it means what I think it means that's a really, really bad idea.
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Postby The Joseon Dynasty » Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:59 pm

UKIP/Tory coalition.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:02 pm

Ripoll wrote:Define universal income, because if it means what I think it means that's a really, really bad idea.


Everyone over a certain age essentially is given a set amount of money each year, including those who work. The amount of money is equal regardless of how much you earn and how wealthy one is.
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Postby Napkiraly » Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:16 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:lol wtf?

Didn't you hear about the cracker purge of '09?

But what am I to eat with my cheese now? D:

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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:33 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Didn't you hear about the cracker purge of '09?

But what am I to eat with my cheese now? D:


Baguettes.
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Postby Fortschritte » Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:50 pm

Luziyca wrote:The next government Canada will have is either an NDP-Liberal coalition or a Conservative majority with more scandals.


What about a Liberal minority? That seems likely given the opinion polls. My political pipedream is that you Canucks will end up with a NDP majority, but there's a better chance that Pope Francis is actually Islamic.
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Postby Napkiraly » Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:04 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:But what am I to eat with my cheese now? D:


Baguettes.

Too French.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:06 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:Baguettes.

Too French.

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Postby Atlanticatia » Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:15 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Alizeria wrote:I definitely think that a Labour victory is within the realms of possibility in 2017 (whereas in 2011 and 2014 it was pretty much in the bag for the Nats) and that Andrew Little could make an effective Prime Minister. It'll be a close one, but on the other hand my gut instinct says Key might just go for the record. You can tell he's modelled himself off Keith Holyoake and he could well reach that goal.

But it's way too early to tell, though I suspect Labour are going to do a lot better in 2017 under Little's leadership.

-- Remind me to put more detailed reasons for why I think National can win a fourth term in this space tomorrow when I'm sober--


It should do. First impressions of Little is that he doesn't seem like the sort of batshit people that took Labour away from where the votes were in the center of the party. He kind of makes sense, especially given how he might introduce a universal income (which is good news for everyone).

The fact remains that Labour really can't do anything worse than what it achieved this year. Even Labour die hards realized that something was seriously wrong with the direction the party was going in.


Agreed, he seems sensible, strong, and is actually able to attack National. The previous leaders were very weak in that area, whereas Little seems to be able to get people to listen to him, and every single time he's been asked a question he gives a straightforward, no-nonsense answer.

And he's bringing up the discussion about a universal basic income, which is also a good thing.
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Postby Ripoll » Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:11 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Ripoll wrote:Define universal income, because if it means what I think it means that's a really, really bad idea.


Everyone over a certain age essentially is given a set amount of money each year, including those who work. The amount of money is equal regardless of how much you earn and how wealthy one is.


You mean like a pension?
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Postby Senyosu » Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:18 pm

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:25 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
I am a Keynesian now. Accept it.

I am really damn tired and don't want to threadjack this for such shit.

Post or Neo? :p


Post is more coherent.
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Postby Pope Joan » Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:27 pm

Insaeldor wrote:US: Republican presidency with the Democrats winning back some of the seats they lost in 2014 midterm evening out the balance of power in the House slightly.

So basicly
President: Republican
Senate: Republican
House: Republican

Soon enough though will see a shift back to the democrats although it depends, the don rats help onto confgress for 8 years so we might see 8 years of republican leadership but with the way american voters are you never know.


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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:28 pm

It's Democrat until the US fails to exist.
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Postby Bandwagon » Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:41 am

Luziyca wrote:The next government Canada will have is either an NDP-Liberal coalition or a Conservative majority with more scandals.

*Imagines Rob Ford as Prime Minister of Canada*
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:59 am

Ripoll wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
Everyone over a certain age essentially is given a set amount of money each year, including those who work. The amount of money is equal regardless of how much you earn and how wealthy one is.


You mean like a pension?


Sort of. Except that it's paid to you whether or nor you are employed. So if you're employed, you still get it.

Atlanticatia wrote:Agreed, he seems sensible, strong, and is actually able to attack National. The previous leaders were very weak in that area, whereas Little seems to be able to get people to listen to him, and every single time he's been asked a question he gives a straightforward, no-nonsense answer.

And he's bringing up the discussion about a universal basic income, which is also a good thing.


However, I don't think that Little will be able to turn Labour around in three years to the point where it holds a commanding position in Parliament. Come 2017, we may see a Labour government but not one that has much power on its own, or at least one that isn't as dominant as National is now.
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Postby True American States » Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:03 am

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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:32 am

Next year will have provincial elections in the Netherlands.
Zeeland : I think PVV.

It will be the first time I can vote.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:36 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:Next year will have provincial elections in the Netherlands.
Zeeland : I think PVV.

It will be the first time I can vote.

Poor, poor Zeeland.
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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:43 am

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Empire of Vlissingen wrote:Next year will have provincial elections in the Netherlands.
Zeeland : I think PVV.

It will be the first time I can vote.

Poor, poor Zeeland.

What is so bad about PVV?
I live in The Netherlands.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:46 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:Poor, poor Zeeland.

What is so bad about PVV?

Pretty much everything.
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