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Islamic State of UKIP
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Postby Islamic State of UKIP » Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:40 am

Kelinfort wrote:Democratic President and Republican Congress, but perhaps the Democrats win back the Senate.


It seems quite likely that the Democrats will win the Senate. Most of the seats up for 2016 are Republican held and were won by the Tea Party so they are likely toblose ground and they don't have a strong majority. They will also win the presidency unless Christy pulls something off. As for the lower House, they're likely to gain ground as Democrats show up en masse for presidential elections

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:41 am

Libertarian dictatorship. Muahahahaha

Nah probably not.
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Postby Fortschritte » Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:42 am

The Liberated Territories wrote:Libertarian dictatorship. Muahahahaha

Nah probably not.


That phrase gives me the chills.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:43 am

Fortschritte wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:Libertarian dictatorship. Muahahahaha

Nah probably not.


That phrase gives me the chills.


We'll take over government - and then leave you alone!

Muahahahahahahahahahaha
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Postby Free United Provinces of East Torkelburg » Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:43 am

Greece: Golden Dawn becomes the majority because fascism.
United States: Republicans control both houses but the president is a democrat because that seems to be the only time anyone other than old people vote.
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Insaeldor
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Postby Insaeldor » Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:43 am

Fortschritte wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:Libertarian dictatorship. Muahahahaha

Nah probably not.


That phrase gives me the chills.

Hey man if I had to choose my dictator Gary Johnson sounds a hell of a lot better then Ted Cruz.
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Fortschritte
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Postby Fortschritte » Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:45 am

Insaeldor wrote:
Fortschritte wrote:
That phrase gives me the chills.

Hey man if I had to choose my dictator Gary Johnson sounds a hell of a lot better then Ted Cruz.


Ideally, I'd rather not have to choose between two idiots for dictator.
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Islamic State of UKIP
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Postby Islamic State of UKIP » Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:46 am

Fortschritte wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:UKIP may win a single seat or two, if they win anything. Cameron would need the Lib Dems again, even after they get destroyed.


That too. I can't imagine UKIP winning more than 5 seats, because they don't have any real "strongholds." And, if the LibDems do get completely obliterated to the point where they have very few seats, a grand coalition between Labour and the Tories could be necessary.


Cameron will probably have a supply and confidence deal with UKIP. For a coalition he's most likely to work with the DUP if he can get a majority. Seems unlikely though. The Lib-Dems will be lucky to scrape up 20 seats, I don't recall seeing many polls that are not an utter rout for them in Wales and Scotland and England will be polarised between Labour and the Tories so the Lib-Dems only hold their strongholds and the youth vote will weaken those

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Postby Laerod » Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:14 am

Calimera II wrote:
Laerod wrote:Incorrect. The CSU is a party on the national level that has an agreement with the CDU that the latter runs for office everywhere but Bavaria. To state that it's the Bavarian CDU is a gross misunderstanding of German and Bavarian politics.

It is. It is a different party but it's policies are almost the same, not to mention that Merkel and Horst Seehofer have always worked closely together. The CDU is non-existent in Bavaria, and people who want to vote for the CDU vote for the CSU instead, and why? Because the CSU and the CDU form the CDU/CSU bloc. They are considered sister parties.

One of the defining characteristics of the CSU is contrarianism. The "worked closely together" is bullshit. Seehofer has deliberately sabotaged several major projects or pursued unpopular nonsense like the national toll for the sake of gaining street cred back in Bavaria. The SPD and CDU currently have more in common than the CDU and CSU.

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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:17 am

Nervium wrote:I hope the next Belgian goverment is idiot-free.


My hope deminishes every day.

Don't count on it. We're gonna be stuck with the N-VA and/or the liberals for a loooooong time.
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Herargon
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Postby Herargon » Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:21 am

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Nervium wrote:I hope the next Belgian goverment is idiot-free.


My hope deminishes every day.

Don't count on it. We're gonna be stuck with the N-VA and/or the liberals for a loooooong time.


Awel, kunde gijlie de N-VA niet er efkens een rotskòp eruit verkopen, hè? :P
(Yeah, can't you just kick the N-VA out, eh?)

I guess it will be a coalition with the CDA again... So predictable.
CDA with the VVD. An unlikely combination, but hey, okay. I can try it.
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Postby Ripoll » Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:19 am

Insaeldor wrote:US: Republican presidency with the Democrats winning back some of the seats they lost in 2014 midterm evening out the balance of power in the House slightly.

So basicly
President: Republican
Senate: Republican
House: Republican

Soon enough though will see a shift back to the democrats although it depends, the don rats help onto confgress for 8 years so we might see 8 years of republican leadership but with the way american voters are you never know.


Political cycles in the US are horrifically predictable. There is a shift of power every 20-30 years with small back and fourth tugs and false victories in between.

Liberals are good because they actually give a shit about infrastructure, but they usually lead to idiotically large amounts of bureaucracy and over complications that just don't need to be there. That's when republicans kick in lower corporate taxes and deregulate the excessive amount of waste used that just prevents anything meaningful from getting done. However, republicans create regressive taxation policies and shun public spending which is one of the main drivers of the economy. There's always a balance to maintain and political cycles maintain it. It's not perfect, nothing is, but it's usually predictable and we always pull through on top.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:21 am

US—Democrats hold Presidency, Senate. Republicans hold House.

Canada—Probably a Liberal minority government. People are getting sick of Harper.

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Postby Grand Britaria » Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:22 am

For the UK, I think a hung parliament is pretty likely. Everyone's struggling to concretely predict the election next year. Potential for a Conservative-UKIP coalition I think, though if Labour strikes a deal with smaller parties on the left i.e Greens, Plaid Cymru, maybe even the Lib Dems, it might be able to salvage together a coalition. That'd be preferable to UKIP/Conservatives, personally.
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Postby Greater Weselton » Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:08 pm

We will continue to be a republic.
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Postby Nervium » Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:31 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Nervium wrote:I hope the next Belgian goverment is idiot-free.


My hope deminishes every day.

Don't count on it. We're gonna be stuck with the N-VA and/or the liberals for a loooooong time.


Our Thatcherian fate. :(
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Postby Ripoll » Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:40 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Fortschritte wrote:
That phrase gives me the chills.


We'll take over government - and then leave you alone!

Muahahahahahahahahahaha


"the very ideological rigidity of libertarianism is so ridiculous. They just blatantly assume that all individuals would do whatever is best for society in spite of what is more profitable and in their individualistic interests. Yes people need leeway to do business and commerce, not to the extent where fraud is the norm and nothing of actual value is created. There is a balance to strike here, and complete market freedom is not in anyone's best interests. Not even to the corporations themselves. Such a state will never exist, such a state can never exist. Libertarianism is just this huge clump of stupidity and lack of common sense filled with paradoxes and contradictions with undeniable faith to corporate enterprise which actually hurts them in the long run.

No nation in the history of the world has existed in libertarian la la land, the best example of laissez faire extremism is Somalia. Honestly, libertarians are the very epitome of economic idiocy and the perpetuation of free market myths. Yes there are fundamental unchallenged free market principles. No they cannot work without a centralized Government. The Free market works indepdently within a social construct such as a nation and a central government. No independently from it.

It's also funny how they challenge the federal reserve, when it too is a private organization that works independently within the Government. That's a living contradiction of everything a libertarian stands for isn't it? Being against responsible private entities?

Ridiculous" -Ripoll 2014

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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:52 pm

I predict that the next US president will be Republican.
I live in The Netherlands.
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Postby Herargon » Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:53 pm

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I predict that the next US president will be Republican.



Uhm.. Je bent Nederlands, niet Amerikaans.
(You're Dutch, not American).
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Against: intolerance, radicalism, strong discrimination, populism, fascism, nazism, communism, totalitarianism, authoritarianism, absolutarianism, fundamentalism, strong religious expression, strong nationalism, police states

If you like philosophy, then here you can see what your own philosophical alignements are.

Ifreann wrote:That would certainly save the local regiment of American troops the trouble of plugging your head in ye olde shittere.
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Empire of Vlissingen
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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:54 pm

Herargon wrote:
Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I predict that the next US president will be Republican.



Uhm.. Je bent Nederlands, niet Amerikaans.
(You're Dutch, not American).

Er stond niet dat ik dat niet mocht zeggen en je bent geen moderator!.
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Souriya Al-Assad
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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:56 pm

Bandwagon wrote:
Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
It is my belief, that we shalt have a Sixth French Republic, run by myself, others in such a revolutionary government, as well as the masses themselves in an economic direct-democracy Qadhafi style; with a Communist economy, a Traditionalist socio-cultural outlook, an anti-Revisionist platform, an environmentalist platform, a transparency anti-corruption platform, a Pluralist platform (ensuring peaceful co-existence between all religions, ethnicities, races, irreligious in our country, utilising Syria's model as inspiration), a Left-wing Nationalist platform; with a staunch foreign policy that runs along the lines of anti-Capitalism, anti-Zionism, anti-Fascism, anti-Nazism, anti-Banderites, anti-Uribism, anti-Apartheid (believe it or not, some nations like Morocco or Israel still practise it), anti-McCarthyism, anti-Hedonism, anti-Liberalism, anti-Conservatism, anti-Libertarianism, anti-Mercantilism, anti-Social Darwinism, anti-Imperialism, anti-Colonialism, anti-Ottomanism, anti-Takfirism in addition to anti-Globalisation. Such a Sixth Republic's economics might be a blend of Central Planning (State regulates economy in addition to means of production, organises five-year period guidelines, etcetera), Project Cybersyn, with Localised Planning (revolutionary popular committees run by all peasants & workers; masses own means of production). The State would not touch personal property (your homes, personal belongings, electronics, food, cars, etcetera), however will abolish private property (corporations, conglomerates, private sector financial mobster banks, etcetera). Nationalisation of all domestic in addition to foreign assets would ensue to prioritise people over profits, to utilise these assets for the benefit of the masses by throwing it all into redistribution of wealth, land reforms, socio-economic public programmes, raising living standards, whilst also reduce income inequality altogether.

So you want us to live under Putin's command. Ok. Why do you think that Putin and Assad are left wing?
Can I buy some of your drugs?

First, I do not consume any substances whatsoever.

Syria's Ba'ath is the left-wing of the original united party. Iraq's Saddamist Ba'ath is the right-wing one.

I support Syria's.

Bashar's National Progressive Front coalition government is a blend of two Arab Socialist ideologues (Nasserism, Syrian Ba'athist Socialism), with SSNP in its current left-wing incarnation, as well as Communism (Syria's two biggest Communist parties are in the ruling coalition, moreover have much influence in decision making).

What Syria is, is an Arab Communist nation. Syria is a socialistic economy, with a left-wing nationalist policy, a secular & pluralist platform for its religions and ethnicities, in addition to a Arab traditionalist social/cultural platform. Putin, in my eyes can be considered left-wing, because of the following factors:

1. He reversed Yeltsin's shock therapy
2. He met with Zyuganov recently to discuss plans for the future (kremlin.ru's words, not mine) as he has a number of times before
3. His best European ally is a Socialist (Lukashenko)
4. He put Yeltsinist oligarchs behind bars for good amount of time to stop them from looting his nation

I see Putin as a left-wing nationalist, with a traditionalist socio-cultural policy. Bashar Al-Assad is similar however even more to the left. (Plus, there are at least three Communist organisations that are armed to the teeth helping him: PFLP, DFLP, Moqawama al-Souriya)

Lastly, whence you sign up for membership in Syria's Arab Socialist Ba'athist Party (I signed up to see if I can become member as foreign observer), the form utilises lots of Soviet-ish terminology.

In Iraq, Iraqis call Syria's local Ba'ath there the Far Left Ba'ath, whilst the Saddamist one is called the right-wing Ba'ath.

The same has been done in other Middle Eastern countries.

Regarding your overall opinions of my revolutionary plans, let's just agree to disagree, moreover wait for time to tell who is right about this. There are also other things I forgot to mention: for example, I support the rapidly growing La Manif Pour Tous protest movement. I also supported Jour de Colère during its rallies. In addition to this, I strongly denounce the current socio-dem régime whose austerity, anti-Syria policy, pro-Nazimaidan policy, amongst other things is increasingly making it look more like some neo-con fascist entity if anything. Furthermore, let's resurrect some old figures that I base myself off of whence I claim to speak for our people. Marine is also not as popular as some claim her to be, moreover rightly so. Putin's best bet is not by backing a fascist with racist views. His best bet would be to back someone like myself.

However either way...

Let our people decide whether they want me or not whence 2017 arrives. Then we can determine whom is right or wrong on this matter. Someone also pointed out that my revolutionary plan is public knowledge, this is true, however the full step by step plan is not. Which means that the establishment does not know how exactly do I intend to implement the revolution. That is a surprise for them to see later on. In any case, yes, the Sixth Republic is my wish list. In the meantime, if this does not happen, what I predict is that the Fifth Republic will devolve into a fascist nightmare.
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Postby Herargon » Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:56 pm

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:
Herargon wrote:

Uhm.. Je bent Nederlands, niet Amerikaans.
(You're Dutch, not American).

Er stond niet dat ik dat niet mocht zeggen en je bent geen moderator!.


Ik zei alleen dat je Nederlands bent en niet Amerikaans - dus zei ik dat je IRL nation niet de USA is, maar Nederland.
Ik zei niet dat je dat niet mocht zeggen, noch ben ik een moderator. Ik wijs je er alleen maar vriendelijk op.
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If you like philosophy, then here you can see what your own philosophical alignements are.

Ifreann wrote:That would certainly save the local regiment of American troops the trouble of plugging your head in ye olde shittere.
How scifi alliances actually work.

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Postby Fezkovia » Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:59 pm

Canada will probably elect the Liberals, but Harper's approval rating has gone up recently, and the Tories might just manage to pull through. I'd be surprised if the NDP managed to win. Either way, they'll probably be forming a minority government.
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Postby Laerod » Sat Nov 29, 2014 1:04 pm

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I predict that the next US president will be Republican.

A foolish prediction. The chances are currently much higher that a Democrat is guaranteed.

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Postby Calimera II » Sat Nov 29, 2014 1:07 pm

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:
Herargon wrote:

Uhm.. Je bent Nederlands, niet Amerikaans.
(You're Dutch, not American).

Er stond niet dat ik dat niet mocht zeggen en je bent geen moderator!.

Er staat ''IRL Nation'' niet ''het-land-waar-ik-zou-graag-vandaan-zou-willen-komen''. Het is echter geen probleem ofzo. ^^
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