Cleaveland Officer Shoots A 12 YEAR OLD

[Galloism]

I was merely pointing out that getting Mushroom's opinions on what the police are justified in doing is about as logical as asking a serial killer for his opinions on the value of human life.

Once again: I nailed it.

you are incorrect.

Once again.

Coming from you, well... I take it as a complement.

Everything you find correct is actually ethically unacceptable, and everything you find incorrect either ethically justified or an ethical imperative.

So, calling me incorrect is merely a reaffirmation that, yes, in fact, I nailed it.

[Vassenor]

The problem is that we are still looking at this case with a massive case of hindsight bias.

Yes, we know now that the gun was fake and the suspect was a kid. But the officer at the time didn't know that.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

you are incorrect.

Once again.

Coming from you, well... I take it as a complement.

Everything you find correct is actually ethically unacceptable, and everything you find incorrect either ethically justified or an ethical imperative.

So, calling me incorrect is merely a reaffirmation that, yes, in fact, I nailed it.

Good job. Want a award for defeating Infected Mushroom? Or do you have too many?

Nah, I just don't see a reason to get an airsoft or other replica like things except of a movie or some other permission related thing. I mean I guess you can modify a toy gun (nerf) to be an actual one, but I have no idea how you go about it. Not that I wish to put fear in anyone, I'm just thinking about the variables of the situation.

I'm not seeing it too clearly either.

[Infected Mushroom]

The problem is that we are still looking at this case with a massive case of hindsight bias.

Yes, we know now that the gun was fake and the suspect was a kid. But the officer at the time didn't know that.

EXACTLY.

EXACTLY.

This is the key.

[Galloism]

Coming from you, well... I take it as a complement.

Everything you find correct is actually ethically unacceptable, and everything you find incorrect either ethically justified or an ethical imperative.

So, calling me incorrect is merely a reaffirmation that, yes, in fact, I nailed it.

Good job. Want a award for defeating Infected Mushroom? Or do you have too many?

It's not a question of victory or defeat.

It's a question of how many insane positions can one person hold.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

The problem is that we are still looking at this case with a massive case of hindsight bias.

Yes, we know now that the gun was fake and the suspect was a kid. But the officer at the time didn't know that.

Read first before ignoring

Your description suggests an awful police officer. If you watched the video, you'd see they got unusually close. There wasn't a whole lot of time between when they CLAIMED to have said something (there's no audio, so we can't even be sure they did) and when he was shot, and you shouldn't go into fight or flight. You should remain calm and collected. There shouldn't be a panicked fight or flight. You should remain in control of your actions the whole time. They should also be able to see how young he is.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Good job. Want a award for defeating Infected Mushroom? Or do you have too many?

It's not a question of victory or defeat.

It's a question of how many insane positions can one person hold.

Then have a medal for giving him a new insane position.

[Herargon]

I support the police officers in this nation. Cops go through all kinds of training and background checks. There is not a crusade against blacks, 12-year olds, or anyone else in this nation. There is obviously a reason why this happened, and I look forward to hearing about it.

Holy shit, the majority of cops won't even follow the constitution, you seriously support them? I can't believe you're ignoring the fact that a child lost his life, and he was cheated out of a promising future.
"There is obviously a good reason why this happened, and I look forward to hearing about it"
Honestly go to hell.

He walked around with a fake gun, but that looked very real. And if you point it to others..

Well, it is his own fault. He was being stupid, in this case especially.

And before you yell "Racist", let me tell this: I am against racism and as a Dutch person I find that white people also are to be treated equal. Punished equal, and not less. Nor more.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Holy shit, the majority of cops won't even follow the constitution, you seriously support them? I can't believe you're ignoring the fact that a child lost his life, and he was cheated out of a promising future.
"There is obviously a good reason why this happened, and I look forward to hearing about it"
Honestly go to hell.

He walked around with a fake gun, but that looked very real. And if you point it to others..

Well, it is his own fault. He was being stupid, in this case especially.

And before you yell "Racist", let me tell this: I am against racism and as a Dutch person I find that white people also are to be treated equal. Punished equal, and not less. Nor more.

The underlined is irrelevant.

[Putin the Bear King]

By the way, if you are pointing a gun at a police officer - orange tip or no orange tip - you are going to get shot. That's how things work in this nation. Policemen are entitled to self defense as well, you know.

Read the 2nd Amendment.

"Hands up Mr Police Officer, I will shoot you with this real, orange-tipped, absolutely not airsoft gun."

Please, do explain to me how you will know.

The problem is that we are still looking at this case with a massive case of hindsight bias.

Yes, we know now that the gun was fake and the suspect was a kid. But the officer at the time didn't know that.

This.

[Herargon]

He walked around with a fake gun, but that looked very real. And if you point it to others..

Well, it is his own fault. He was being stupid, in this case especially.

And before you yell "Racist", let me tell this: I am against racism and as a Dutch person I find that white people also are to be treated equal. Punished equal, and not less. Nor more.

The underlined is irrelevant.

For me, it is not.

[Infected Mushroom]

"Hands up Mr Police Officer, I will shoot you with this real, orange-tipped, absolutely not airsoft gun."

Please, do explain to me how you will know.

The problem is that we are still looking at this case with a massive case of hindsight bias.

Yes, we know now that the gun was fake and the suspect was a kid. But the officer at the time didn't know that.

This.

I wonder how many people in the shoes of the police officer would wait a few seconds to see if the gun was real or not.

This crucifixion of the police is really impulsive and filled with hind-sight bias. I don't blame them though, the title of the thread was manipulative.

It must be the capitalized ''12 YEAR OLD'' thing. You have to know the rhetoric.

If someone looks like he's pulling out a weapon and gets shot... BUT IN HINDSIGHT we know the gun was fake and he was 12 years old. It's ALWAYS the policeman's fault.

Because of course... WE are morally superior and WE would have waited a few more seconds and risk getting shot ourselves.

Even though its the police who are risking their lives on a daily basis to protect us.

[Putin the Bear King]

Please, do explain to me how you will know.



This.

I wonder how many people in the shoes of the police officer would wait a few seconds to see if the gun was real or not.

This crucifixion of the police is really impulsive and filled with hind-sight bias. I don't blame them though, the title of the thread was manipulative.

It must be the capitalized ''12 YEAR OLD'' thing. You have to know the rhetoric.

If someone looks like he's pulling out a weapon and gets shot... BUT IN HINDSIGHT we know the gun was fake and he was 12 years old. It's ALWAYS the policeman's fault.

Because of course... WE are morally superior and WE would have waited a few more seconds and risk getting shot ourselves.

Even though its the police who are risking their lives on a daily basis to protect us.

Why did you quote me to say that?

[Infected Mushroom]

I wonder how many people in the shoes of the police officer would wait a few seconds to see if the gun was real or not.

This crucifixion of the police is really impulsive and filled with hind-sight bias. I don't blame them though, the title of the thread was manipulative.

It must be the capitalized ''12 YEAR OLD'' thing. You have to know the rhetoric.

If someone looks like he's pulling out a weapon and gets shot... BUT IN HINDSIGHT we know the gun was fake and he was 12 years old. It's ALWAYS the policeman's fault.

Because of course... WE are morally superior and WE would have waited a few more seconds and risk getting shot ourselves.

Even though its the police who are risking their lives on a daily basis to protect us.

Why did you quote me to say that?

I forgot to type at the very top.

''I largely agree.''

[Putin the Bear King]

Why did you quote me to say that?

I forgot to type at the very top.

''I largely agree.''

Oh.

[Gauthier]

This cycle won't be complete until we see photos of the kid smoking weed and flashing gang signs. *nod*

[Oil exporting People]

"Hands up Mr Police Officer, I will shoot you with this real, orange-tipped, absolutely not airsoft gun."

You do know the orange tip wasn't on the pistol, correct?

[The UK in Exile]

Please, do explain to me how you will know.



This.

I wonder how many people in the shoes of the police officer would wait a few seconds to see if the gun was real or not.

This crucifixion of the police is really impulsive and filled with hind-sight bias. I don't blame them though, the title of the thread was manipulative.

It must be the capitalized ''12 YEAR OLD'' thing. You have to know the rhetoric.

If someone looks like he's pulling out a weapon and gets shot... BUT IN HINDSIGHT we know the gun was fake and he was 12 years old. It's ALWAYS the policeman's fault.

Because of course... WE are morally superior and WE would have waited a few more seconds and risk getting shot ourselves.

Even though its the police who are risking their lives on a daily basis to protect us.

Slightly more convincing if you weren't equally keen to defend the officer who shot an un-armed man.

Whoops: mixed up exactly which "police shoot unarmed man/child" thread I've been posting in.

[Gun Manufacturers]

It kinda does? I mean, people are defending the police because "it looked like a gun." So that means the police can shoot anyone who they feel threatens them and if they have anything that looks like a real gun.

It "looked like a real gun" is not a valid defense when it takes place in a state with open-carry laws.

I mean, sure, let's go with that the gun seemed like a plausible threat.

Can't a cop differentiate the materials between plastic and metal?! No fucking 12 year old can brandish a gun the way he did.

Unless now we're assuming all kids are hulk and can lift a 10-25 pound hunk of metal with ease.

My RIA TACT 2011 (which should be heavier than the 1911 that the previously pictured airsoft gun is based on, because my RIA has a full length dust cover/rail and no lightening cuts on the slide) weighs less than 3 pounds unloaded. What crevice did you pull that 10-25 pound figure from?

[The Cobalt Sky]

I mean, sure, let's go with that the gun seemed like a plausible threat.

Can't a cop differentiate the materials between plastic and metal?! No fucking 12 year old can brandish a gun the way he did.

Unless now we're assuming all kids are hulk and can lift a 10-25 pound hunk of metal with ease.

My RIA TACT 2011 (which should be heavier than the 1911 that the previously pictured airsoft gun is based on, because my RIA has a full length dust cover/rail and no lightening cuts on the slide) weighs less than 3 pounds unloaded. What crevice did you pull that 10-25 pound figure from?

I know we shouldn't judge you by your nation, since it may not represent your real views, but come on... Your nation would profit off this sort of thing.

[Romic]

Because I doubt it will have any.

It kinda does? I mean, people are defending the police because "it looked like a gun." So that means the police can shoot anyone who they feel threatens them and if they have anything that looks like a real gun.

It "looked like a real gun" is not a valid defense when it takes place in a state with open-carry laws.

However the gun (toy) was not "openly" carried it was in the boy's waitband. He reached for it posing a viable threat to police officers. In training all police are told hands kill.

[Big Jim P]

I mean, sure, let's go with that the gun seemed like a plausible threat.

Can't a cop differentiate the materials between plastic and metal?! No fucking 12 year old can brandish a gun the way he did.

Unless now we're assuming all kids are hulk and can lift a 10-25 pound hunk of metal with ease.

My RIA TACT 2011 (which should be heavier than the 1911 that the previously pictured airsoft gun is based on, because my RIA has a full length dust cover/rail and no lightening cuts on the slide) weighs less than 3 pounds unloaded. What crevice did you pull that 10-25 pound figure from?

Indeed. I have never heard of any personal firearm (let alone handgun) that weighs 25 lbs. Admittedly some rifles weigh-in around 13 pounds, but a handgun?

Someones ignorance is showing.

[Big Jim P]

My RIA TACT 2011 (which should be heavier than the 1911 that the previously pictured airsoft gun is based on, because my RIA has a full length dust cover/rail and no lightening cuts on the slide) weighs less than 3 pounds unloaded. What crevice did you pull that 10-25 pound figure from?

I know we shouldn't judge you by your nation, since it may not represent your real views, but come on... Your nation would profit off this sort of thing.

RL gun manufacturers are currently profiting from lighter and smaller handguns, not heavier and larger one, due in large part to the proliferation of legalizing concealed carry.

[Norstal]

I mean, sure, let's go with that the gun seemed like a plausible threat.

Can't a cop differentiate the materials between plastic and metal?! No fucking 12 year old can brandish a gun the way he did.

Unless now we're assuming all kids are hulk and can lift a 10-25 pound hunk of metal with ease.

My RIA TACT 2011 (which should be heavier than the 1911 that the previously pictured airsoft gun is based on, because my RIA has a full length dust cover/rail and no lightening cuts on the slide) weighs less than 3 pounds unloaded. What crevice did you pull that 10-25 pound figure from?

I have a Llama Maxi I 45/lf with laser scope and a Kruger handgun with magazine and has live rounds.

Those fucking things are heavy as hell even on my dominant hand.

And the kid was clearly spinning the toy gun in his hand.

I can't fucking do that with my guns and I'm a 25 year old grown man.

Unless people here are suggesting that a 12 year old can do that with a live, metal weapon I don't think anyone has a reason to believe it wasn't a toy gun and that the officer "Was scurred".

Although it's probably heavy because he modded it.

[Big Jim P]

My RIA TACT 2011 (which should be heavier than the 1911 that the previously pictured airsoft gun is based on, because my RIA has a full length dust cover/rail and no lightening cuts on the slide) weighs less than 3 pounds unloaded. What crevice did you pull that 10-25 pound figure from?

I have a Llama Maxi I 45/lf with laser scope and a Kruger handgun with magazine and has live rounds.

Those fucking things are heavy as hell even on my dominant hand.

And the kid was clearly spinning the toy gun in his hand.

I can't fucking do that with my guns and I'm a 25 year old grown man.

Unless people here are suggesting that a 12 year old can do that with a live, metal weapon I don't think anyone has a reason to believe it wasn't a toy gun and that the officer "Was scurred".

Although it's probably heavy because he modded it.

Still not likely to weigh 10 lbs or more.