Cleaveland Officer Shoots A 12 YEAR OLD

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It's easy for us to sit here long after the fact and judge someone.

Yes. It's easy for us to call someone an idiot when they should fucking know better (talking about the cop).

[Soldati Senza Confini]

That he was a ruthless killer? Not really.

That he was an idiot? Yes, I will argue that. Because it is both idiotic and dumb to believe that, when even observant people could determine that the gun was "probably fake", a fucking cop can't distinguish the difference.

Or perhaps rather than an idiot, an inexperienced officer who had just been told by his superiors that there was an armed black guy running around, with no mention of the fake gun or the fact the person in question was a kid, and because of that escalated things further than he would have if he'd known it was a kid with a toy gun?

Or, perhaps, someone who isn't fucking paying attention to what they're doing.

Sort of like an idiot.

Sort of like this cop.

[The blood ravens]

I still fail to see how the kid twirling the gun before police officers arrived is relevant at all.

The same reason it should be fucking obvious to anyone with half a brain that the gun isn't heavy enough for the kid to lift.

I mean if we're going to grasp at straws as to what the gun was like then the point remains that the gun wasn't even a really "for real" gun in my opinion and should and could have been easily distinguishable upon observation.

That this fails to grasp the minds of people here is what is concerning.

He did it before the cops arrived.
The caller noted that the gun was probably fake, and he was a juvenile.
Dispatch didn't relay the information to the responding officers.
When they arrive he isn't twirling the gun nor is it in his hands.

So it really doesn't matter at all.

[Kaztropol]

It's easy for us to sit here long after the fact and judge someone.

Yes. It's easy for us to call someone an idiot when they should fucking know better (talking about the cop).

How often do you encounter people, whose intentions you do not know, and that you have been told are armed, who appear to be reaching for a firearm-shaped object that only appeared in your field of view a short time ago ?

[Vassenor]

It's easy for us to sit here long after the fact and judge someone.

Yes. It's easy for us to call someone an idiot when they should fucking know better (talking about the cop).

Do you know what the officer could see? Do you know what he was thinking? Do you know what he was feeling?

No. You're making judgements based on you, sat behind a computer.

[Senkaku]

I still fail to see how the kid twirling the gun before police officers arrived is relevant at all.

The same reason it should be fucking obvious to anyone with half a brain that the gun isn't heavy enough for the kid to lift.

I mean if we're going to grasp at straws as to what the gun was like then the point remains that the gun wasn't even a really "for real" gun in my opinion and should and could have been easily distinguishable upon observation.

That this fails to grasp the minds of people here is what is concerning.

1. I hope you know the orange safety thingies had been removed.
2. I think every 12 year old not in the hospital can lift a couple of pounds in one arm.
3. The officer was unaware Rice was a twelve year old, so that wouldn't have even registered.
4. THE ENTIRE GUN TWIRLING... THING, THAT YOU'VE COME UP WITH, IS WHOLLY IRRELEVANT TO THIS DEBATE.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The same reason it should be fucking obvious to anyone with half a brain that the gun isn't heavy enough for the kid to lift.

I mean if we're going to grasp at straws as to what the gun was like then the point remains that the gun wasn't even a really "for real" gun in my opinion and should and could have been easily distinguishable upon observation.

That this fails to grasp the minds of people here is what is concerning.

He did it before the cops arrived.
The caller noted that the gun was probably fake, and he was a juvenile.
Dispatch didn't relay the information to the responding officers.
When they arrive he isn't twirling the gun nor is it in his hands.

So it really doesn't matter at all.

So you just admitted the cop wasn't the only idiot in the picture but the entire department.

You know, that doesn't make the picture any better.

[Oil exporting People]

Sort of like this cop.

The kid was brandishing an airsoft gun, with the orange tip removed. When approached by the officer and requested to raise his hands, he instead reached for the gun. I don't see how anyone with any amount of common sense could fault the officer in this situation.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yes. It's easy for us to call someone an idiot when they should fucking know better (talking about the cop).

Do you know what the officer could see? Do you know what he was thinking? Do you know what he was feeling?

No. You're making judgements based on you, sat behind a computer.

No, I am making judgements from having had a gun pointed at by kids and being able to tell the God damn difference.

[Republic 0f Texas]

Sort of like this cop.

The kid was brandishing an airsoft gun, with the orange tip removed. When approached by the officer and requested to raise his hands, he instead reached for the gun. I don't see how anyone with any amount of common sense could fault the officer in this situation.

Common sense isn't that common and that is apparent on here. Especially when people think that a child should literally be allowed to kill someone because you shouldn't harm a child no matter what.

[The blood ravens]

He did it before the cops arrived.
The caller noted that the gun was probably fake, and he was a juvenile.
Dispatch didn't relay the information to the responding officers.
When they arrive he isn't twirling the gun nor is it in his hands.

So it really doesn't matter at all.

So you just admitted the cop wasn't the only idiot in the picture but the entire department.

You know, that doesn't make the picture any better.

>One dispatcher fails to relay vital information.
>The entire police department is full of idiots because of it.

Wat.

[Senkaku]

Or perhaps rather than an idiot, an inexperienced officer who had just been told by his superiors that there was an armed black guy running around, with no mention of the fake gun or the fact the person in question was a kid, and because of that escalated things further than he would have if he'd known it was a kid with a toy gun?

Or, perhaps, someone who isn't fucking paying attention to what they're doing.

Sort of like an idiot.

Sort of like this cop.

So you're telling me that, put in this situation, having heard that an armed black male was running around, and having briefly seen him only for a few seconds- kinda short for an adult, and wearing a hoodie, with something that from any distance would look like a firearm (which he had been told about), you would have instantly realized this was a kid, and also realized that because of him twirling the gun in the surveillance videos you hadn't even seen it must be fake, and not shot him. All this while it looked like the person who you somehow magically knew was a child was going for his gun for an unknown purpose.

You, sir, should become a police officer or a detective. You must be very observant.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The kid was brandishing an airsoft gun, with the orange tip removed. When approached by the officer and requested to raise his hands, he instead reached for the gun. I don't see how anyone with any amount of common sense could fault the officer in this situation.

Common sense isn't that common and that is apparent on here. Especially when people think that a child should literally be allowed to kill someone because you shouldn't harm a child no matter what.

I've never said that a child should be allowed to kill an adult.

Rather, that this situation could have been solved in a different manner OTHER than killing the kid.

[Allentyr]

He did it before the cops arrived.
The caller noted that the gun was probably fake, and he was a juvenile.
Dispatch didn't relay the information to the responding officers.
When they arrive he isn't twirling the gun nor is it in his hands.

So it really doesn't matter at all.

So you just admitted the cop wasn't the only idiot in the picture but the entire department.

You know, that doesn't make the picture any better.

You know who's the idiot here? The person that let this kid run around with a realistic gun while waving it around at people.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

So you just admitted the cop wasn't the only idiot in the picture but the entire department.

You know, that doesn't make the picture any better.

>One dispatcher fails to relay vital information.
>The entire police department is full of idiots because of it.

Wat.

If you can't teach your dispatchers to relay vital information then yes, the entire department is full of idiots who are not fucking paying attention.

[Senkaku]

Common sense isn't that common and that is apparent on here. Especially when people think that a child should literally be allowed to kill someone because you shouldn't harm a child no matter what.

I've never said that a child should be allowed to kill an adult.

Rather, that this situation could have been solved in a different manner OTHER than killing the kid.

Yes, it could have. This is true. No one is debating that. But it wasn't, and blaming the officer is, for a number of reasons, absurd.

[Republic 0f Texas]

Common sense isn't that common and that is apparent on here. Especially when people think that a child should literally be allowed to kill someone because you shouldn't harm a child no matter what.

I've never said that a child should be allowed to kill an adult.

Rather, that this situation could have been solved in a different manner OTHER than killing the kid.

You didn't but someone else said that. He literally said that if a child is committing a violent act we should allow him to do it because we shouldn't harm a child.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

So you just admitted the cop wasn't the only idiot in the picture but the entire department.

You know, that doesn't make the picture any better.

You know who's the idiot here? The person that let this kid run around with a realistic gun while waving it around at people.

I mean, sure; but we're not talking about the parents (who are obviously morons for letting their kid even own a gun in the first place. I don't give a damn if it is a airsoft gun).

[The blood ravens]

>One dispatcher fails to relay vital information.
>The entire police department is full of idiots because of it.

Wat.

If you can't teach your dispatchers to relay vital information then yes, the entire department is full of idiots who are not fucking paying attention.

Because it reflects on dispatcher training as a whole, and not just the incompetence of a single person right?

[Allentyr]

>One dispatcher fails to relay vital information.
>The entire police department is full of idiots because of it.

Wat.

If you can't teach your dispatchers to relay vital information then yes, the entire department is full of idiots who are not fucking paying attention.

Let's paint an entire police department with the same brush because some guy was incompetent.

[Senkaku]

>One dispatcher fails to relay vital information.
>The entire police department is full of idiots because of it.

Wat.

If you can't teach your dispatchers to relay vital information then yes, the entire department is full of idiots who are not fucking paying attention.

Even the people over investigating a different crime scene or working to help with animal control stuff? They're idiots too? The chief of police, and every other officer in the department, all of them are total fucktards who can't do their jobs?

I beg to differ.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I've never said that a child should be allowed to kill an adult.

Rather, that this situation could have been solved in a different manner OTHER than killing the kid.

You didn't but someone else said that. He literally said that if a child is committing a violent act we should allow him to do it because we shouldn't harm a child.

Well that's stupid.

I mean, why the fuck would we allow a child to commit a violent act towards us just because we shouldn't harm children.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

If you can't teach your dispatchers to relay vital information then yes, the entire department is full of idiots who are not fucking paying attention.

Because it reflects on dispatcher training as a whole, and not just the incompetence of a single person right?

It actually does, yes.

Mostly because it should have been fucking obvious to point this out. I mean fuck, it's literally communication 101.

The fact that a guy was incompetent enough to not relay it when they should have points out the department didn't do its job right on teaching this guy to dispatch properly and to communicate relevant information to the cops.

[Republic 0f Texas]

You didn't but someone else said that. He literally said that if a child is committing a violent act we should allow him to do it because we shouldn't harm a child.

Well that's stupid.

I mean, why the fuck would we allow a child to commit a violent act towards us just because we shouldn't harm children.

"Because he is a child and we shouldn't harm child under any circumstances no matter what." His words.

[Allentyr]

You know who's the idiot here? The person that let this kid run around with a realistic gun while waving it around at people.

I mean, sure; but we're not talking about the parents (who are obviously morons for letting their kid even own a gun in the first place. I don't give a damn if it is a airsoft gun).

Seriously not the cop's fault, stop trying to blame him. If anything, blame the kid's parents (or maybe, despite how unpopular this opinion is, the kid for removing the orange tip) or the dispatcher for failing to inform the cop of the gun being fake. From a distance, the gun is awfully realistic. Hell, even if I was an inch from the gun, I'd have to pick it up and examine it to ensure it was fake. Throw in the fact the dude might be trying to shoot you, you'll react the same way the cop did. Plus he was a rookie.