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Is the term "Judeo-Christianity" a false narrative?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:45 pm
by Benuty
"Judeo-Christian" is a term compiled for the political purposes of proposing a supposed common ethical system between Judaism, and Christianity. An example often seen displayed in certain spaces for all to see are the statues of the "Ten Commandments". A set of civil commandments which are presented under a vague enough glass to be seen as appropriate on government space. The problem being is the fact they knowingly leave out the other set of ten (ritual commandments) in the same book of Exodus. So that is twenty commandments in total that people seem to ignore. Of-course I feel I don't need to mention the totality of the 613 commandments many in Judaism recognize. So at best this is not only hypocritical to say they have the same code of ethics it is patently false.

This supposed narrative has been used to justify several things which if not glossed over by long standing tradition would be seen as unconstitutional by the majority of people. The term has gained a resurgence in the 1990's due to the so called "Culture Wars" between uneducated & stagnant traditionalists fighting against change promoted by those labeled as "Secularists". Which is frankly a delusional attempt to give a blanket term to put all the ideas they don't like under some sort of bed to be identified as a monster. The national motto of the US "In God we trust" is a blanket use of this term to represent a mythical comparative. Of-course it is a blatantly unconstitutional move from the 1950's by people who generalized communism as "Godless".

Since 9/11 the term has exploded into a frenzy due to its constant repetition by conservatives claiming the traditional values of the US are under fire. They certainly are under fire...except it isn't the values of "Judeo-Christianity" instead it is the values of rationalism, exploration, and pluralism. Another favorite proponents of "Judeo-Christianity" like to use is that their values are the basis of all realms of U.S law. This is complete, and total bullshit as it claims the multiple civilizations which set up the basis for US law in reality aren't important. Therefore my friends let us take up the mantle to find the primordial birthing peak of which it began in the US.

If the term "Judeo-Christianity" were to represent a common path between both Judaism, and Christianity across the world it has failed immensely. The term has been spawned, and fed by the milk of bullshit of the heavily political Protestant factions of the US. It pretends to have ties to other Christian branch yet only gives them trinket recognition. The same could be said with the majority of Jewish sects (if not all). This terms implies some sort of "Religiously favorist America" in which is under total domination by these "declared" set of values. If such a U.S were to exist in practicality in would resemble something out of a work of dystopic fiction. As a result there is a faction of people aka the pseudo Christian Right. It also serves an excuse towards the utter apathy or hypocrisy given toward those in the "third world".

Of-course then comes yet another problem with "Judeo-Christianity" aside from it that it is incredibly favoristic. While attempts at interfaith relations have occurred this narrative often limits it self to only three of the Abrahamic faiths (without even bothering to appeal to the rest of the Abrahamic faiths) let alone the other branches. Judeo-Christianity of today due to its exclusive nature as a evangelical protestant ideal has adopted the belief of supporting Zionism without question (mostly). This has led to some nasty business, and rather unequal treatment in foreign aid (of any kind) to countries considering Israel gets a massive amount of aid from the US (weapons, financial aid, etc), and favors from the US Congress (such as not having to pay back the loans). Of-course this comes back as hypocritical since the US expects other nations to pay in due what they owe (and possibly more).

Therefore "Judeo-Christianity" is not only a false narrative, but it is an antiquated one from another century. It mostly supports ideals which should long be dead, and makes those who enforce it (mostly) seem like partakers of faggotry. It fails to support a true system of ethics, and comes out with a fraudulent history of the Western World (circa US origins & onwards). Not only that, but it is great at cherry picking, and poor at creating an actual dialogue between Christianity, and Judaism hell it doesn't even bother with other faiths. In final two religions which do not even have the same brand of deity despite being of the Abrahamic faiths cannot truly expect such a distorted view of reality to be in any shape or way as objective truth.


Basically is the term "Judeo-Christianity" is nonsense, but what do you think of it?


So what say you oh unleavened or leavened masses of NSG?

I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:47 pm
by The Serbian Empire
Yes, but only because the other Abrahamic religion in Islam isn't also put in the combo.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:48 pm
by Aeken
You are so right.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:50 pm
by Benuty
The Serbian Empire wrote:Yes, but only because the other Abrahamic religion in Islam isn't also put in the combo.

I'd expect a heart attack would occur from certain factions if it were.

However there have been (incredibly small) attempts to bring those who are Muslims (obviously American) into the fold to be seen as an "interfaith" deal.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:54 pm
by Cyrisnia
*Calmly awaits NIAPA to come to this thread*

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:56 pm
by Benuty
Cyrisnia wrote:*Calmly awaits NIAPA to come to this thread*

Oh Creator of the heavenly cosmos spare me.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:57 pm
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio
All of my Jewish friends hugely dislike the Christian POV of Jewish history.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:59 pm
by Benuty
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:All of my Jewish friends hugely dislike the Christian POV of Jewish history.

Don't get me wrong I like to entertain them, but the supersessionist view is the most....annoying.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:02 pm
by Regica
I'm sort of confused by the OP (it's sounds sort of bloggy, maybe you should trim it down a bit), but I'm assuming you're asking what I think of the term 'Judeo-Christian'?

If that is what your asking, I must say I find it...well, useless. The term 'Abrahamic' works just as well (since it includes Islam as well as Christianity and Judaism), and helps people understand that all three religions are based on the same core values and beliefs. By using 'Judeo-Christian', especially in today's political climate, one is deliberately excluding Islam (sadly due to the fact many Christians have created the view of the 'other' about essentially their own brothers) and, quite ironically, most people I know who use that term know nothing about Judaism. For a lot of them, the connection between the Torah and Bible and the ancient Kingdom of Israel is all they what to know because it makes Christianity seem older and more far-reaching than it historically was, considering the fact it acted as a Jewish sect for a good portion of it's early history.

So, in short, the term is useless. We already have a perfectly appropriate term, and the word 'Judeo-Christian' is just a creation to try and connect Christianity to something it isn't.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:03 pm
by Regica
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:All of my Jewish friends hugely dislike the Christian POV of Jewish history.


Heck, I know Christians who hate the Christian POV of Jewish history!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:05 pm
by Benuty
Regica wrote:I'm sort of confused by the OP (it's sounds sort of bloggy, maybe you should trim it down a bit), but I'm assuming you're asking what I think of the term 'Judeo-Christian'?

If that is what your asking, I must say I find it...well, useless. The term 'Abrahamic' works just as well (since it includes Islam as well as Christianity and Judaism), and helps people understand that all three religions are based on the same core values and beliefs. By using 'Judeo-Christian', especially in today's political climate, one is deliberately excluding Islam (sadly due to the fact many Christians have created the view of the 'other' about essentially their own brothers) and, quite ironically, most people I know who use that term know nothing about Judaism. For a lot of them, the connection between the Torah and Bible and the ancient Kingdom of Israel is all they what to know because it makes Christianity seem older and more far-reaching than it historically was, considering the fact it acted as a Jewish sect for a good portion of it's early history.

So, in short, the term is useless. We already have a perfectly appropriate term, and the word 'Judeo-Christian' is just a creation to try and connect Christianity to something it isn't.


I suppose I'll spoiler my part , and add your revised part as an addendum because of TLDR people.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:23 pm
by United Marxist Nations
Yeah, the two groups have completely different views. I know, I helped suppress them both myself. Eh, I mean I've read about it.

*hides Legio XII Fvlminata banner*

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:52 pm
by Nirvash Type TheEND
Considering Judaism and Christianity are both false narratives...

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:53 pm
by Benuty
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Considering Judaism and Christianity are both false narratives...

That is hardly my point.

However I will entertain you.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:56 pm
by Nirvash Type TheEND
Benuty wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Considering Judaism and Christianity are both false narratives...

That is hardly my point.

However I will entertain you.

Dance, monkey! : ' )

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:42 pm
by Southern Arkansas
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Considering Judaism and Christianity are both false narratives...


Nice flag. :lol:

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:47 pm
by Menassa
Yeah, nonsense.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:58 pm
by Kelinfort
I concur. Though, what's even worse is the fact that the notion is used to base a destruction of Church and State seperation

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:05 pm
by Divitaen
It depends on what it is used to describe. I think the OP is right to talk about the Culture Wars and how Judeo-Christianity was used to paint the false picture of some religiously traditionalist unity, but at the same time, the term is also often used to describe the geo-political state, and it has some merit. The Christian world and the Jewish state of Israel seem to have some kind of tacit cooperation, perhaps in a racist and imperialistic way, against other cultures like Islam, and in that sense Judeo-Christianity is a succint way of describing that global oppression.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:07 pm
by Anglo-California
Hell yes. It implies some false narrative that Jews had just as much of role in founding the United States as Deists and Christians were (the "Judeo-Christian values" upon which this country was founded, as some Republicans like to say). It also implies that Jews and Christians should team up against Islam and reeks of Zionism and pro-Israel sentiment. That type of thinking is part of the reason why the Israeli lobby is massive (well, that and because of the monetary influence of a certain ethnoreligious people in American society).

Conservative American Protestants need to return to what they were before World War II and evangelism: nationalist reformers.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:19 pm
by Meryuma
Definitely. I'd say mainline Christianity (especially Protestantism) is actually the black sheep among the Abrahamic faiths in its basically soft polytheist view of divinity and concept of salvation by faith, as well as (to a lesser extent) its lack of purity laws concerning diet, circumcision etc. It also perpetuates this really unhelpful notion of Islam as the other and the whole narrative of Islam being somehow innately opposed to the other Abrahamic religions when in reality Christianity has a longer history of anti-Semitism than Islam. In a few specialized contexts the term can be helpful; for instance the Key of Solomon is an occult work drawing on the Jewish Kabbalah but circulated mainly among European Christians. For that reason it could be considered part of a Judaeo-Christian occult tradition. However, any generalized references to "Judeo-Christian values" and the like are a long-standing pet peeve of mine.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:20 pm
by Atomic Utopia
Yes, yes it is not very truthful at all. First comes the 10 commandments that are different between the different sects / denominations of christianity. Secondly the tendency of the public schools (I live in murica‘, SoCal region to be exact) to include this narrative as the inspiration for the bill of rights ect. It may not surprise you that our school also banned wearing any hats other than those that the school sold, and had several quotes from the King James Version of the bible on posters to promote school spirit.

PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:10 am
by Constantinopolis
Didn't Torquemada have something to say about Judeo-Christians? :lol:

But seriously, the OP is absolutely right. The term "Judeo-Christianity" makes precisely as much sense as "Christo-Islam".

PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:48 am
by Baltenstein
It's false and hypocritical. For almost two millenia, Western society defined itself in opposition to its Jewish minority, first on religious, then on ethnic grounds. Only now, in order to re-define itself in opposition to the Islamic world, did this idea of a traditional BFF relationship come up.

PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:31 am
by Murkwood
I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Okay, that was too specific. I wonder who you were talking about. :p

Anyway, I prefer the term Abrahamic, as it's more inclusive, but whatever. Judeo-Christian refers to our shared heritage and values. Nothing wrong with that.