Is the term "Judeo-Christianity" a false narrative?

[Ashmoria]

I dunno. I see some value in reminding Christians that jesus was jewish. sure it hasn't helped throughout the millennia but its doing better now. having an endangered minority be "one of us" is better than having it be "them" instead.

[Baltenstein]

I dunno. I see some value in reminding Christians that jesus was jewish. sure it hasn't helped throughout the millennia but its doing better now. having an endangered minority be "one of us" is better than having it be "them" instead.

This would be a more valid argument if the "Judeo-Christian" narrative wasn't so clearly aimed at excluding others (i.e. Muslims).

[Divitaen]

I dunno. I see some value in reminding Christians that jesus was jewish. sure it hasn't helped throughout the millennia but its doing better now. having an endangered minority be "one of us" is better than having it be "them" instead.

This would be a more valid argument if the "Judeo-Christian" narrative wasn't so clearly aimed at excluding others (i.e. Muslims).

^This

The Judeo-Christian narrative was never really about making the Jews feel like "one with the Christians", but to characterise them in unified hostility to other religious groups or non-Western cultures.

[Neutraligon]

It is indeed a false narative, we have different traditions and culture and in general different morals.

[Ashmoria]

I dunno. I see some value in reminding Christians that jesus was jewish. sure it hasn't helped throughout the millennia but its doing better now. having an endangered minority be "one of us" is better than having it be "them" instead.

This would be a more valid argument if the "Judeo-Christian" narrative wasn't so clearly aimed at excluding others (i.e. Muslims).

I don't think its aimed at excluding muslims. I think muslims are not considered one way or the other.

[Ifreann]

...and makes those who enforce it (mostly) seem like partakers of faggotry...

You what, mate?

[Olerand]

Yeah probably. I always felt it was an attempt by the Christian Right to be "more inclusive" in its rhetoric. As in include Jews, not like, you know homosinfuls or Muhammadans or anything.

It helps with the staunch pro-Israel-ism.

[Meryuma]

...and makes those who enforce it (mostly) seem like partakers of faggotry...

You what, mate?

Hey, I was gonna call him out on that part!

[Cetacea]

As the early followers of Christ were Jews or at least followed a reformed Jewish creed then yes the tern is valid with reference to that doctrine.

However Catholicism and Protestantism that followed is derived from Pauline Doctrine and is most definitely not JudeoChristian or even just Christian.

I understand that in the early days of the Koran a Judeo-Islamic school of thought arose, and the concept seems to have greater validity than modern JudeoChristianity

[Benuty]

You what, mate?

Hey, I was gonna call him out on that part!

Faggotry is the art of assholery.

[Herskerstad]

Hey, I was gonna call him out on that part!

Faggotry is the art of assholery.

Careful Benuty, you are going to offend a lot of people willing to somehow see the ever-developing word of faggotry as associated with themselves in a negative connotation.

[Benuty]

Faggotry is the art of assholery.

Careful Benuty, you are going to offend a lot of people willing to somehow see the ever-developing word of faggotry as associated with themselves in a negative connotation.

They quoted me when I called certain right wing evangelicals as "partakers of Faggotry".

Possibly assuming the homosexual connotation when the alternate connotation is quite literally "these people who I called out in my OP are assholes".

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

People just asked for a better explanation, calm down.

Careful Benuty, you are going to offend a lot of people willing to somehow see the ever-developing word of faggotry as associated with themselves in a negative connotation.

I'm sorry if that is frustrating to you but oppressor groups indeed aren't allowed to themselves re-appropriate stuff they direct at other people, at least not in a single-sided move.

Sorry, bye~

[Benuty]

People just asked for a better explanation, calm down.

Careful Benuty, you are going to offend a lot of people willing to somehow see the ever-developing word of faggotry as associated with themselves in a negative connotation.

I'm sorry if that is frustrating to you but oppressor groups indeed aren't allowed to themselves re-appropriate stuff they direct at other people, at least not in a single-sided move.

Sorry, bye~

Who exactly are you telling to calm down?

I can re-appropriate words since "faggot" was appropriated by US citizens as complete insult towards homosexuals circa 1914 C.E.

Your move.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

1. Who exactly are you telling to calm down?

2. I can damn well re-appropriate words since "faggot" was appropriated by US citizens as an insult towards homosexuals circa 1914.

1. Both you and Herker wats

2. Are you that old? Anyway, anything passes as tolerable in this forum, so I wouldn't even create a commotion over that here, and Herkestad were defensive about something that wasn't even directed at him, something in which he doesn't even have a voice on.

People can state their opinions and debate, but not acting like you can walk around with a pointy noise over it like it was an extremely trivial and artificial tumult based around people who ~want to be offended~ (lel concepts, by only NSG) is basic politeness.

[Murkwood]

I'm pretty sure the topic of this thread isn't faggotry, FYI.

[Benuty]

I'm pretty sure the topic of this thread isn't faggotry, FYI.

I concede that.

Now on to the topic I suppose.

[Herskerstad]

Careful Benuty, you are going to offend a lot of people willing to somehow see the ever-developing word of faggotry as associated with themselves in a negative connotation.

They quoted me when I called certain right wing evangelicals as "partakers of Faggotry".

Possibly assuming the homosexual connotation when the alternate connotation is quite literally "these people who I called out in my OP are assholes".

Want to make a joke between faggots and assholes now.

On a serious note though, I see nothing wrong with the word faggot. It's been a developing word from day 1 and was already well on it's way to describe more the kind of thing your mentioning, and even a positive connotation with various sub-groups. Like I would be a beard-fag in one instance without reference even towards sexuality.
Then of course, some groups felt offended by the words and even the word 'gay' was under huge debate and still is. I feel the same way about the word retard for example as I do not like the political correctness just trashing a few words based on previous and sometimes even current negative connotation. The word retard has been siphoned out of the general medical term and put into a far more pop-cultured usage of the word. A person ascribing the word retarded to someone who has in plain sight done something dumb I don't see any malice in and should not be judged for an ascribed meaning to the word which he had no desire in utilizing, using it as a slur towards physically or mentally disabled people however would be quite malicious given it's context today and subject to justifiable pressure.

Man the PC gestapo will come in and remove all the fun words given time. I hope degeneracy is not next on the chopping block.

[Murkwood]

I'm pretty sure the topic of this thread isn't faggotry, FYI.

I concede that.

Now on to the topic I suppose.

Actually, there is something I need to know, just to make sure. Was I the "league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics"?

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Man the PC gestapo will come in and remove all the fun words given time. I hope degeneracy is not next on the chopping block.

They might do that to English, I'm not an authority on it, but I know a language with plenty of fun words and phrases.

Such as:



"Stop derailing, cutie!"

[Benuty]

I concede that.

Now on to the topic I suppose.

Actually, there is something I need to know, just to make sure. Was I the "league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics"?

Yes it quite was .

[Murkwood]

Actually, there is something I need to know, just to make sure. Was I the "league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics"?

Yes it quite was .

Hey, it's better than being Ken Ham.

[Herskerstad]

Man the PC gestapo will come in and remove all the fun words given time. I hope degeneracy is not next on the chopping block.

They might do that to English, I'm not an authority on it, but I know a language with plenty of fun words and phrases.

Such as:



"Stop derailing, cutie!"

Hey even though it was a derail, at least I was kind enough to in edit put it into spoiler mode.

But sure, unto the topic itself I guess.

I'll sneak in another miniderail.

That thing looks like the puppetmaster in Five nights at freddy's 2 and thus is terrifying

[Murkwood]

Going off something someone said earlier, when people talk about America's "Judeo-Christian heritage", it's not meant to exclude Muslims. Rather, the reason it's only Judeo-Christian is because there is no real long running Islamic heritage in the US.

[Conserative Morality]

Going off something someone said earlier, when people talk about America's "Judeo-Christian heritage", it's not meant to exclude Muslims. Rather, the reason it's only Judeo-Christian is because there is no real long running Islamic heritage in the US.

Except for the part where there is a long-running Islamic heritage in the US, it's only been suppressed by...

Oh. Right. 'Judeo-Christian' ideas of the 'correct' history. Jews and Muslims have had about the same time in the US, but the former were largely white, skilled workers, and so gained influence. The latter were largely black or otherwise 'ethnic' unskilled workers, slaves, and refugees, so they've been excluded..