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Female Jihad in Nigeria: It Takes Two To Tango

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What is your opinion of the twin bombing?

We need boots on the ground, or else this won't stop!
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16%
We need military advisors there ASAP. The Nigerians cannot act alone on this.
19
38%
We must keep a neutral stance. interfering is too much.
12
24%
I don't care.
4
8%
LET BOKO HARAM TAKE OVER! PRAISE BOKO HARAM! DEATH TO NIGERIA!
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14%
 
Total votes : 50

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Female Jihad in Nigeria: It Takes Two To Tango

Postby Barraco Barner » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:06 am

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Two female bombers kill at least 30 in Nigeria Market


Fox News(unreliable, I know) wrote:MAIDUGURI, Nigeria – Two teenage female suicide bombers blew themselves up Tuesday in a crowded market in Nigeria's northeastern city of Maiduguri, killing at least 30 people, according to witnesses and a security official.

Boko Haram, Nigeria's Islamic extremist rebels, are suspected of the bombings, as they have carried out many similar attacks. The bombings highlight Nigeria's ongoing insecurity in which 1,500 people have been killed by the militant's insurgency this year, according to Amnesty International.

The two girls dressed in full hijabs entered the busy marketplace and detonated their explosives, said Abba Aji Kalli, the Borno state coordinator of the Civilian Joint Task Force.

The first set off her explosives and killed about three women, said Kalli.

When others gathered around the scene, the second bomber screamed and blew herself up, killing about 30, he said.

"I am right here at the scene and I have before me 11 corpses ... many have been taken away by relatives, while others are taken to the state specialists' hospital," said Kalli.

Soldiers and police officers cordoned off the area while rescue workers helped survivors to the hospital. Nigeria's police have not yet issued a statement on Tuesday's blasts.

Today's blast is the first in Maiduguri since July 2 when 56 people were killed in the same market area when a car bomb hit a group of traders and shoppers.

Maiduguri is the provincial capital and largest city in Borno state, one of the three states in northeastern Nigeria that are under a state of emergency because of the extremist violence.

In April Boko Haram kidnapped more than 200 schoolgirls from Chibok, about 78 miles southwest of Maiduguri. The schoolgirls are still missing and their plight has aroused international concern and prompted the (hash)BringBackOurGirls social media campaign.

Last month, on Oct. 17, the parents were encouraged when the Nigerian military announced a cease-fire with Boko Haram and said negotiations had begun for the release of the schoolgirls.

Those hopes were quickly dashed, however, when Boko Haram fighters continued attacks and seized several cities and towns across the northeast. In a video statement, Boko Haram leader Abubakar Shekau denied the ceasefire and scoffed at claims of negotiations to release the schoolgirls.

Boko Haram still holds many centers in an area covering an estimated 7,700 square miles and has declared the area to be an Islamic caliphate where they are imposing their strict version of Shariah law. The insurgents want to impose Islamic rule over all Nigeria, Africa's most populous state with its 170 million people about evenly divided between Christians and Muslims.


Two female bombers kill around thirty people in a Nigerian market.

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My opinion is that the West needs to be more involved in Nigeria. More people will die if nothing happens!

Yes, this is a FOX News article. Don't believe this story? Google it, it is true.

NSG, your opinions?
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Postby Quintium » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:09 am

Nigeria is in a pitiful position - it's torn between a Christian south and a Muslim north, and in recent years the Muslim north has been encroaching on the Christian south. And within the Muslim north, more and more extreme groups have been vying for power through politics or through terrorism. Nigeria has a weak and fairly ineffective government, and if it wasn't for the shocking military incompetence on the part of Boko Haram, Nigeria would have fallen under the barbaric rule of islamism a long time ago.
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Postby Dejanic » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:13 am

Quintium wrote:Nigeria is in a pitiful position - it's torn between a Christian south and a Muslim north, and in recent years the Muslim north has been encroaching on the Christian south. And within the Muslim north, more and more extreme groups have been vying for power through politics or through terrorism. Nigeria has a weak and fairly ineffective government, and if it wasn't for the shocking military incompetence on the part of Boko Haram, Nigeria would have fallen under the barbaric rule of islamism a long time ago.

This is thanks to colonialism, Nigeria is an artificial nation made up of opposing tribes that never had anything to do with each other (of course this is the case for many African nations but it's especially prominent in Nigeria).
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Postby Quintium » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:15 am

Dejanic wrote:This is thanks to colonialism, Nigeria is an artificial nation made up of opposing tribes that never had anything to do with each other (of course this is the case for many African nations but it's especially prominent in Nigeria).


That's too easy. Nigeria could split up if that was the will of the people in Nigeria and the government in Nigeria; but that will does not exist.
The two halves of the country would rather rule over the ruins of all the country than over a much-reduced, much less powerful half-country.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:15 am

Barraco Barner wrote:
Fox News(unreliable, I know) wrote:MAIDUGURI, Nigeria – Two teenage female suicide bombers blew themselves up Tuesday in a crowded market in Nigeria's northeastern city of Maiduguri, killing at least 30 people, according to witnesses and a security official.

Boko Haram, Nigeria's Islamic extremist rebels, are suspected of the bombings, as they have carried out many similar attacks. The bombings highlight Nigeria's ongoing insecurity in which 1,500 people have been killed by the militant's insurgency this year, according to Amnesty International.

The two girls dressed in full hijabs entered the busy marketplace and detonated their explosives, said Abba Aji Kalli, the Borno state coordinator of the Civilian Joint Task Force.

The first set off her explosives and killed about three women, said Kalli.

When others gathered around the scene, the second bomber screamed and blew herself up, killing about 30, he said.

"I am right here at the scene and I have before me 11 corpses ... many have been taken away by relatives, while others are taken to the state specialists' hospital," said Kalli.

Soldiers and police officers cordoned off the area while rescue workers helped survivors to the hospital. Nigeria's police have not yet issued a statement on Tuesday's blasts.

Today's blast is the first in Maiduguri since July 2 when 56 people were killed in the same market area when a car bomb hit a group of traders and shoppers.

Maiduguri is the provincial capital and largest city in Borno state, one of the three states in northeastern Nigeria that are under a state of emergency because of the extremist violence.

In April Boko Haram kidnapped more than 200 schoolgirls from Chibok, about 78 miles southwest of Maiduguri. The schoolgirls are still missing and their plight has aroused international concern and prompted the (hash)BringBackOurGirls social media campaign.

Last month, on Oct. 17, the parents were encouraged when the Nigerian military announced a cease-fire with Boko Haram and said negotiations had begun for the release of the schoolgirls.

Those hopes were quickly dashed, however, when Boko Haram fighters continued attacks and seized several cities and towns across the northeast. In a video statement, Boko Haram leader Abubakar Shekau denied the ceasefire and scoffed at claims of negotiations to release the schoolgirls.

Boko Haram still holds many centers in an area covering an estimated 7,700 square miles and has declared the area to be an Islamic caliphate where they are imposing their strict version of Shariah law. The insurgents want to impose Islamic rule over all Nigeria, Africa's most populous state with its 170 million people about evenly divided between Christians and Muslims.



this makes me angry

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:16 am

Dejanic wrote:
Quintium wrote:Nigeria is in a pitiful position - it's torn between a Christian south and a Muslim north, and in recent years the Muslim north has been encroaching on the Christian south. And within the Muslim north, more and more extreme groups have been vying for power through politics or through terrorism. Nigeria has a weak and fairly ineffective government, and if it wasn't for the shocking military incompetence on the part of Boko Haram, Nigeria would have fallen under the barbaric rule of islamism a long time ago.

This is thanks to colonialism, Nigeria is an artificial nation made up of opposing tribes that never had anything to do with each other (of course this is the case for many African nations but it's especially prominent in Nigeria).

Actually the segregation followed independence.

Before that, Christians and Muslims lived in relative equality and peace in common villages and states.

This is the fault of the West propping up states and movements that push forward an ideology of Islamic fundamentalism.
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Postby Barraco Barner » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:21 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Barraco Barner wrote:



this makes me angry


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Postby Olerand » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:39 pm

Quintium wrote:Nigeria is in a pitiful position - it's torn between a Christian south and a Muslim north, and in recent years the Muslim north has been encroaching on the Christian south. And within the Muslim north, more and more extreme groups have been vying for power through politics or through terrorism. Nigeria has a weak and fairly ineffective government, and if it wasn't for the shocking military incompetence on the part of Boko Haram, Nigeria would have fallen under the barbaric rule of islamism a long time ago.

Nigeria's government is pitiful in and of itself. It's one of the strongest African powers, and it can't deal with Boko Haram.

Clearly, it doesn't care enough to solve this problem. I only feel sorry for the women and girls suffering in this situation.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:41 pm

Olerand wrote:
Quintium wrote:Nigeria is in a pitiful position - it's torn between a Christian south and a Muslim north, and in recent years the Muslim north has been encroaching on the Christian south. And within the Muslim north, more and more extreme groups have been vying for power through politics or through terrorism. Nigeria has a weak and fairly ineffective government, and if it wasn't for the shocking military incompetence on the part of Boko Haram, Nigeria would have fallen under the barbaric rule of islamism a long time ago.

Nigeria's government is pitiful in and of itself. It's one of the strongest African powers, and it can't deal with Boko Haram.

Clearly, it doesn't care enough to solve this problem. I only feel sorry for the women and girls suffering in this situation.

Its one of Africa's strongest powers economically, and militarily mostly because of its population. Other than that, Nigeria isn't a sight to behold.

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Postby United States Kingdom » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:42 pm

Barraco Barner wrote:
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Two female bombers kill at least 30 in Nigeria Market


Fox News(unreliable, I know) wrote:MAIDUGURI, Nigeria – Two teenage female suicide bombers blew themselves up Tuesday in a crowded market in Nigeria's northeastern city of Maiduguri, killing at least 30 people, according to witnesses and a security official.

Boko Haram, Nigeria's Islamic extremist rebels, are suspected of the bombings, as they have carried out many similar attacks. The bombings highlight Nigeria's ongoing insecurity in which 1,500 people have been killed by the militant's insurgency this year, according to Amnesty International.

The two girls dressed in full hijabs entered the busy marketplace and detonated their explosives, said Abba Aji Kalli, the Borno state coordinator of the Civilian Joint Task Force.

The first set off her explosives and killed about three women, said Kalli.

When others gathered around the scene, the second bomber screamed and blew herself up, killing about 30, he said.

"I am right here at the scene and I have before me 11 corpses ... many have been taken away by relatives, while others are taken to the state specialists' hospital," said Kalli.

Soldiers and police officers cordoned off the area while rescue workers helped survivors to the hospital. Nigeria's police have not yet issued a statement on Tuesday's blasts.

Today's blast is the first in Maiduguri since July 2 when 56 people were killed in the same market area when a car bomb hit a group of traders and shoppers.

Maiduguri is the provincial capital and largest city in Borno state, one of the three states in northeastern Nigeria that are under a state of emergency because of the extremist violence.

In April Boko Haram kidnapped more than 200 schoolgirls from Chibok, about 78 miles southwest of Maiduguri. The schoolgirls are still missing and their plight has aroused international concern and prompted the (hash)BringBackOurGirls social media campaign.

Last month, on Oct. 17, the parents were encouraged when the Nigerian military announced a cease-fire with Boko Haram and said negotiations had begun for the release of the schoolgirls.

Those hopes were quickly dashed, however, when Boko Haram fighters continued attacks and seized several cities and towns across the northeast. In a video statement, Boko Haram leader Abubakar Shekau denied the ceasefire and scoffed at claims of negotiations to release the schoolgirls.

Boko Haram still holds many centers in an area covering an estimated 7,700 square miles and has declared the area to be an Islamic caliphate where they are imposing their strict version of Shariah law. The insurgents want to impose Islamic rule over all Nigeria, Africa's most populous state with its 170 million people about evenly divided between Christians and Muslims.


Two female bombers kill around thirty people in a Nigerian market.

Fun!

My opinion is that the West needs to be more involved in Nigeria. More people will die if nothing happens!

Yes, this is a FOX News article. Don't believe this story? Google it, it is true.

NSG, your opinions?


Good luck convincing the Nigerians that the West will help them for their best interests. I certainly would oppose it. Sending advisers sounds like a much better idea although I think the African Union can certainly help handle the situation.
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Postby Olerand » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:46 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Olerand wrote:Nigeria's government is pitiful in and of itself. It's one of the strongest African powers, and it can't deal with Boko Haram.

Clearly, it doesn't care enough to solve this problem. I only feel sorry for the women and girls suffering in this situation.

Its one of Africa's strongest powers economically, and militarily mostly because of its population. Other than that, Nigeria isn't a sight to behold.

Indeed.
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:46 pm

I don't see much of a solution other than dividing Nigeria in two if that's what the people want, which would be dangerous.
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Postby Sinas » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:11 pm

I don't think, even if the people wanted a split it would A; happen due to the loss of power, or B; stop the conflict boko haram is unlikely to go "oh they split from us let's go put down our guns and get jobs". Even if it were a full Muslim country they would continue, an effective military campaign (I don't believe the west should interfere, as if it wasn't for Nigeria's government's corruption I believe it would be being dealt with by their military by now, or at least in the process of it)
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:13 pm

Geilinor wrote:I don't see much of a solution other than dividing Nigeria in two if that's what the people want, which would be dangerous.


Wouldn't this effectively mirror the Sudanese situation? The only difference is that in this case, the Nigerian government isn't actively hostile, just incompetent in ceasing hostility.
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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:13 pm

Quintium wrote:
Dejanic wrote:This is thanks to colonialism, Nigeria is an artificial nation made up of opposing tribes that never had anything to do with each other (of course this is the case for many African nations but it's especially prominent in Nigeria).


That's too easy. Nigeria could split up if that was the will of the people in Nigeria and the government in Nigeria; but that will does not exist.
The two halves of the country would rather rule over the ruins of all the country than over a much-reduced, much less powerful half-country.

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Postby The Grim Reaper » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:14 pm

Sinas wrote:I don't think, even if the people wanted a split it would A; happen due to the loss of power, or B; stop the conflict boko haram is unlikely to go "oh they split from us let's go put down our guns and get jobs". Even if it were a full Muslim country they would continue, an effective military campaign (I don't believe the west should interfere, as if it wasn't for Nigeria's government's corruption I believe it would be being dealt with by their military by now, or at least in the process of it)


I think this is a very good point - we seem to have gotten caught up on the idea of a secession movement for...some reason.
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Postby The True Khilafah » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:18 pm

If by 'we' you mean the United States, then no. It is none of the USA's damn business what goes on in other countries. No other country on this planet has as many foreign military bases as the USA. The US globalist imperialist complex is absolutely unacceptable. Remember kids, Nigeria has oil. Oil means big bucks for capitalists.

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Postby Emerald-Springs » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:22 pm

I think having NATO train, equip, and advise the Nigerian security forces in their effort to combat militant groups is a good idea. But a NATO boots-on-the-ground intervention in Nigeria is neither politically feasible nor actually necessary.

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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:23 pm

The True Khilafah wrote:If by 'we' you mean the United States, then no. It is none of the USA's damn business what goes on in other countries. No other country on this planet has as many foreign military bases as the USA. The US globalist imperialist complex is absolutely unacceptable. Remember kids, Nigeria has oil. Oil means big bucks for capitalists.

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Postby The True Khilafah » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:24 pm

Emerald-Springs wrote:I think having NATO train, equip, and advise the Nigerian security forces in their effort to combat militant groups is a good idea. But a NATO boots-on-the-ground intervention in Nigeria is neither politically feasible nor actually necessary.

NATO is a criminal organization which serves the international globalist agenda. What happens is Nigeria is not the west's business.

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Postby The True Khilafah » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:25 pm

Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:
The True Khilafah wrote:If by 'we' you mean the United States, then no. It is none of the USA's damn business what goes on in other countries. No other country on this planet has as many foreign military bases as the USA. The US globalist imperialist complex is absolutely unacceptable. Remember kids, Nigeria has oil. Oil means big bucks for capitalists.

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So tell me Nuovo Marx , did the communists tried to built their world and failed miserably?

What are you even talking about?

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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:28 pm

The True Khilafah wrote:
Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:
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So tell me Nuovo Marx , did the communists tried to built their world and failed miserably?

What are you even talking about?

No, what are YOU talking about?!
You condemn Capitalism, so that makes you a leftist, but since you don't know what are you saying and I assume you are under 16, I will drop it.

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Postby Emerald-Springs » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:28 pm

The True Khilafah wrote:
Emerald-Springs wrote:I think having NATO train, equip, and advise the Nigerian security forces in their effort to combat militant groups is a good idea. But a NATO boots-on-the-ground intervention in Nigeria is neither politically feasible nor actually necessary.

NATO is a criminal organization which serves the international globalist agenda. What happens is Nigeria is not the west's business.


Well, obviously it would be difficult for NATO to train, equip, and advise the Nigerian government without the Nigerian government's consent. It may not be of immediate concern to the West, but I don't see why the West mustn't get involved even if the Nigerian government were to invite it.

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Postby Saiwania » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:28 pm

The True Khilafah wrote:What happens is Nigeria is not the west's business.


On the contrary, I can see it being in the best interests of majority Christian/secular superpowers such as the US, Russia, and China to ensure that Nigeria's southern portion wins out over the Islamic northern portion. I don't see why a proxy war can't be started, countries around the world should feel free to send arms/money to the side they support until one finally wins out and Nigeria is stabilized.
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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:31 pm

The True Khilafah wrote:
Emerald-Springs wrote:I think having NATO train, equip, and advise the Nigerian security forces in their effort to combat militant groups is a good idea. But a NATO boots-on-the-ground intervention in Nigeria is neither politically feasible nor actually necessary.

NATO is a criminal organization which serves the international globalist agenda. What happens is Nigeria is not the west's business.


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