What are your political views?

[Camelza]

Once I'd claim too I know my region's history better than anyone else, but then Arch happened and I learned to respect other people's sources about my region's history.

That's awesome. I've been to the town, however, and walked its ruins with a tour guide. Short of some new book having been released in the last few years since I've been, there's nothing more to that tragic tale.

A tour guide isn't exactly a reliable and infallible historical source, though.

[Brillnuck]

Conservatives, not Gaullists, collaborated. Gaullists resisted, and socialists/social democrats sometimes did too. Communists didn't, and collaborated up until the Nazi invasion of the USSR, after which they spearheaded the domestic French Resistance, as the Gaullists were still overseas.

You really don't have to tell me about Oradour-sur-Glane, I'm of the region. I know the story.

Alright then, sorry to offend you but the Nazis were obviously Leftist. Anti-civilian gun ownership, pro animal rights, anti religion for gods sake they were named the National SOCIALIST Party therefore conservatives would not have sided with Nazis.

The Nazis never nationalised corporations. They used Slave Labour. They were as 'Socialist' as The USSR under Stalin.

[Olerand]

But they did their work with the blessing, very official blessing in Spain, of the Church.

So? Civil wars are known for bringing ideologically incopatible groups due to their common interests. Plus, the catholic church knew that the Falange's supporters were just carlists who drunk too much kool aid.

Ideologically incompatible? Why do you say that? Christian compassion and kindness and all?

[Caribica]

Alright then, sorry to offend you but the Nazis were obviously Leftist. Anti-civilian gun ownership, pro animal rights, anti religion for gods sake they were named the National SOCIALIST Party therefore conservatives would not have sided with Nazis.

Are you kidding?

Do you have any idea as to what the far right is? Because, it appears to me that you do not understand the political spectrum in the slightest, and instead live in a hyper-conservative echo chamber riddled with preconceptions, fallacies, and bogus.

The name of the party is irreverent. They supported economic corporatism, ethnic nationalism, and staunch social conservatism, which is very, very right wing.

Alright can we just all agree they were a bunch of loonies?

[Rodrania]

Left and Libertarian.

[Olerand]

Conservatives, not Gaullists, collaborated. Gaullists resisted, and socialists/social democrats sometimes did too. Communists didn't, and collaborated up until the Nazi invasion of the USSR, after which they spearheaded the domestic French Resistance, as the Gaullists were still overseas.

You really don't have to tell me about Oradour-sur-Glane, I'm of the region. I know the story.

Alright then, sorry to offend you but the Nazis were obviously Leftist. Anti-civilian gun ownership, pro animal rights, anti religion for gods sake they were named the National SOCIALIST Party therefore conservatives would not have sided with Nazis.

Please don't pull that on me. I'm no fool. I'm from a nation who lived under Nazism, and saw its leftists deported and killed abroad by Nazism.

[Brillnuck]

Alright then, sorry to offend you but the Nazis were obviously Leftist. Anti-civilian gun ownership, pro animal rights, anti religion for gods sake they were named the National SOCIALIST Party therefore conservatives would not have sided with Nazis.

Are you kidding?

Do you have any idea as to what the far right is? Because, it appears to me that you do not understand the political spectrum in the slightest, and instead live in a hyper-conservative echo chamber riddled with preconceptions, fallacies, and bogus.

The name of the party is irreverent. They supported economic corporatism, ethnic nationalism, and staunch social conservatism, which is very, very right wing.

Mhm. They weren't Left-Wing.

[Fortschritte]

Are you kidding?

Do you have any idea as to what the far right is? Because, it appears to me that you do not understand the political spectrum in the slightest, and instead live in a hyper-conservative echo chamber riddled with preconceptions, fallacies, and bogus.

The name of the party is irreverent. They supported economic corporatism, ethnic nationalism, and staunch social conservatism, which is very, very right wing.

Alright can we just all agree they were a bunch of loonies?

Stop running away from the argument. Yes, the Nazi Party was absolutely insane and atrocious. We can all agree on that, but this debate is focused on what we have yet to agree on, which is "the nazis were radical right wingers."

[Fortschritte]

Are you kidding?

Do you have any idea as to what the far right is? Because, it appears to me that you do not understand the political spectrum in the slightest, and instead live in a hyper-conservative echo chamber riddled with preconceptions, fallacies, and bogus.

The name of the party is irreverent. They supported economic corporatism, ethnic nationalism, and staunch social conservatism, which is very, very right wing.

Mhm. They weren't Left-Wing.

Are you concurring with me?

[Olerand]

That's awesome. I've been to the town, however, and walked its ruins with a tour guide. Short of some new book having been released in the last few years since I've been, there's nothing more to that tragic tale.

A tour guide isn't exactly a reliable and infallible historical source, though.

Of course. Which is why I said that short of a new discovery, she was as knowledgeable and up-to-date as possible at the time.

She is certainly not infallible, and was, certainly as she demonstrated again and again, very reliable.

[Zottistan]

A lot of the time?
When egoism is based on the notion that each individual can only experience for themselves, it's not necessarily narcissistic.

Does not compute.

How? Where's the problem?

And egoism and altruism aren't mutually exclusive, either. An egoist can give to charity and help the poor for the warm, fuzzy feeling it gives them.

That's not altruism then. Altruism is compulsive.

It being a compulsive action doesn't rule out them doing it for themselves. It doesn't have to be calculated.

I would bet everything I own that if there was no personal satisfaction to be gained in helping old ladies across the street, nobody would do it.

[United States Kingdom]

I mostly consider myself a Pan-Africanist and a leftist.

[Brillnuck]

Mhm. They weren't Left-Wing.

Are you concurring with me?

Yes. The Nazi's were right-wing. If they were Left-Wing, why did they kill innocents?

[Daburuetchi]

Marxist-Leninist-Maoist

[Fortschritte]

I mostly consider myself a Pan-Africanist.

Pan-Africanism is more of an idea than a specific political ideology. I suppose one could consider it to be a "broad tent ideology", but it's not specific.

[United States Kingdom]

I mostly consider myself a Pan-Africanist.

Pan-Africanism is more of an idea than a specific political ideology.

Thats why I stated I consider myself a leftist, center left to be more specific.

[Camelza]

So? Civil wars are known for bringing ideologically incopatible groups due to their common interests. Plus, the catholic church knew that the Falange's supporters were just carlists who drunk too much kool aid.

Ideologically incompatible? Why do you say that? Christian compassion and kindness and all?

And honesty and international humanism and many, many more. However the catholic church of Spain was quite terrified by the consequences of a communist victory, thus they allied with the initially fascist Falange and fully comitted to them after the most definitely reactionary Franco took over.

[Skinia]

Are you concurring with me?

Yes. The Nazi's were right-wing. If they were Left-Wing, why did they kill innocents?

Moreover, if they really were left-wing, why'd they butcher every leftist they'd find from center to far left?

[Conscentia]

Eh. In reality it hasn't changed a lot. I'm just more aware now what it is I'm actually supporting than I used to be.

Btw: Merry Sinterklaas, kameraad.
(That is the correct Dutch, right?)

[Fortschritte]

Pan-Africanism is more of an idea than a specific political ideology.

Thats why I stated I consider myself a leftist, center left to be more specific.

I didn't see that, since I read your post before you edited it.

[Jordsindia]

I love my country
I believe our government should abide by the constitution
I support our troops that defend our liberty at the cost of their lives
I don't believe some nearly naked 40 year old should be allowed to go out into public and wave his balls in my 2 year olds face
I believe in God and Jesus Christs teachings
And I support the 2nd amendment and own a gun

Apparently this makes me a racist far right wing nazi fringe nut.

Extremist Liberals. Being tolerant since never.

[Caribica]

Alright can we just all agree they were a bunch of loonies?

Stop running away from the argument. Yes, the Nazi Party was absolutely insane and atrocious. We can all agree on that, but this debate is focused on what we have yet to agree on, which is "the nazis were radical right wingers."

Ok ok sorry, I understand now after doing a bit of research, the Nazis were far right but I can guarantee you not a single true conservative, and I don't mean the fringe neo nazi skinheads with swastikas tattooed onto their heads would support a nazi party if it were to rise to prominence in America.

[United States Kingdom]

Thats why I stated I consider myself a leftist, center left to be more specific.

I didn't see that, since I read your post before you edited it.

Okay.

[Camelza]

A tour guide isn't exactly a reliable and infallible historical source, though.

Of course. Which is why I said that short of a new discovery, she was as knowledgeable and up-to-date as possible at the time.

She is certainly not infallible, and was, certainly as she demonstrated again and again, very reliable.

Whatever mate, I'm not going to argue about your tour guide's reliability.

[Olerand]

Ideologically incompatible? Why do you say that? Christian compassion and kindness and all?

And honesty and international humanism and many, many more. However the catholic church of Spain was quite terrified by the consequences of a communist victory, thus they allied with the initially fascist Falange and fully comitted to them after the most definitely reactionary Franco took over.

While I can agree with the Church and Franco's alliance being very much an anti-Communist alliance; I can see significant compatibility between the Abrahamic religions and Fascism, if not complete.