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What are your Political Views

Far-Left
75
20%
Left
63
17%
Center-Left
74
19%
Center
43
11%
Center-Right
54
14%
Right
37
10%
Far-Right
34
9%
 
Total votes : 380

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Distruzio
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Postby Distruzio » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:22 pm

Skinia wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Pro discrimination would be more accurate, i concede.

Why the discrimination, Distruzio? I thought of you as a more decent fellow than that. I remember the time I stumbled upon you and was like "Anarcho-monarchism? Whuuuhhh?"



*shrug*

Being a decent fellow doesnt preclude me from having potentially offensive viewpoints.
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Degenerate Heart of HetRio
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:22 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Dis Truzio's Pro Racist HD: available now at your local Klavern.

I don't get what the hell just happened.
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Herrebrugh
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Postby Herrebrugh » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:23 pm

I consider myself far left, identifying as a communist.
Uyt naem Zijner Majeſteyt Jozef III, bij de gratie Godts, Koningh der Herrebrugheylanden, Prins van Rheda, Heer van Jozefslandt, enz. enz. enz.
Im Namen Seiner Majeſtät Joſeph III., von Gottes Gnaden König der Herrenbrückinſeln, Prinz von Rheda, Herr von Josephsland etc. etc. etc.


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Olerand
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Postby Olerand » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:23 pm

Camelza wrote:My original point though was that Abrahamic religions and fascism don't go well together, not which are the current ideological wereabouts of a previously fascist party of an islamic-majority country and which brand of fascism followed. I concentrate solely on the fact that the only party that was closest to fascist ideals in an islamic majority country was secular.

They certainly can, however. What of the Phalanges in Spain and Catholicism, or the Maronite Church and the Phalanges of Lebanon?
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Distruzio
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Postby Distruzio » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:23 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Distruzio wrote:I disagree. As you are well aware.

Yes, but it's you that is mistaken.


Nonsense. Jesus spoke quite favorably towards rejecting lukewarm attitudes. That doesnt mean he meant be a dick about it.
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Postby Bojikami » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:23 pm

Radical and Militant Communist.
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Economic Left/Right: -10.00
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Conscentia
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Postby Conscentia » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:24 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Skinia wrote:Why the discrimination, Distruzio? I thought of you as a more decent fellow than that. I remember the time I stumbled upon you and was like "Anarcho-monarchism? Whuuuhhh?"

*shrug*
Being a decent fellow doesnt preclude me from having potentially offensive viewpoints.

It does by my definition of decent.

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Degenerate Heart of HetRio
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:24 pm

Herrebrugh wrote:I consider myself far left, identifying as a communist.

:blink:

Was that a recent development?
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Skinia
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Postby Skinia » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:24 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Skinia wrote:Why the discrimination, Distruzio? I thought of you as a more decent fellow than that. I remember the time I stumbled upon you and was like "Anarcho-monarchism? Whuuuhhh?"



*shrug*

Being a decent fellow doesnt preclude me from having potentially offensive viewpoints.

I disagree. It is what my subjective morality has defined as decency which you have betrayed. I would be a lot more angry, but I can't help but be civil with you.
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Camelza
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Postby Camelza » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:24 pm

Zottistan wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Ew. Narcissism.

Egoism isn't necessarily narcissism.

Camelza wrote:Pssst, haven't you heard that "Anti-racist is code for anti-white"?
:roll:

Haven't you heard that "anti-racist is code for anti-white" is code for "I can't find my medication"?

That must be the case, considering the mental health of the people who are saying it.
Distruzio wrote:
Camelza wrote:Do I need to explain it?
Fine.
Saying "I'm pro-racism" nulifies your "oh, I'm not" since by being pro-racism it means you're a supporter of racism and thus a racist.


Ill concede that it isnt racism in particular that i favor but discrimination in general. If that includes racism then so be it.

So, you're a racist. Sad, but we had to reach a conclusion.

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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:24 pm

Olivaero wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Of course you do. Just like that person has the ability to fight back, or even better, hire a bunch of bodyguards, and a million other ways to protect themselves using their rights.

So why use the term "Right" when you mean "Ability to"?


Ah, Kantian distinction. I mean willpower in this sense.

Negative Rights are truths derived from self ownership for me. Because I own myself, nobody has the ability to get into my mind and start fvcking with me. That same idea is branched out into a legal guide based on consequentialist aims.
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Caribica
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Postby Caribica » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:24 pm

Olerand wrote:
Caribica wrote:So just because I found a buisness now means I have no right to control what goes on in my buisness?
I shouldn't have expected anything semi intelligent from a Frenchman, why did the nazis have to kill off all the good conservatives in your country?

You certainly do. You may not, however, refuse service to the "negro, faggot, towel head" or what have you.

Interesting. The Nazis never intended to kill us, however. So...

Well the conservatives obviously were going to be strong and resist the far left rule of the Nazis so naturally the Nazis saw them as a problem, ever read stories of the Nazis retaliations towards resistance members families? Burned an entire village down, not even the children were spared


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Distruzio
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Postby Distruzio » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:25 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Dis Truzio's Pro Racist HD: available now at your local Klavern.

I don't get what the hell just happened.

I chastised someone for being anti racist because anti racism is code for condescension towards minorities. I announced that i favor discrimination. Some take issue with that.
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Camelza
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Postby Camelza » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:25 pm

Olerand wrote:
Camelza wrote:My original point though was that Abrahamic religions and fascism don't go well together, not which are the current ideological wereabouts of a previously fascist party of an islamic-majority country and which brand of fascism followed. I concentrate solely on the fact that the only party that was closest to fascist ideals in an islamic majority country was secular.

They certainly can, however. What of the Phalanges in Spain and Catholicism, or the Maronite Church and the Phalanges of Lebanon?

Blue reactionaries painted black, all of them.
Spanish fascism died with José Antonio Primo de Rivera.
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Dumb Ideologies
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:25 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Dis Truzio's Pro Racist HD: available now at your local Klavern.

I don't get what the hell just happened.


NSG wacky politics happened. All we can do now is try to collect back together as many as possible of the evens that we don't.
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Postby Zottistan » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:25 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Zottistan wrote:Egoism isn't necessarily narcissism.

When is egoism not based on narcissism?

A lot of the time?

When egoism is based on the notion that each individual can only experience for themselves, it's not necessarily narcissistic. And egoism and altruism aren't mutually exclusive, either. An egoist can give to charity and help the poor for the warm, fuzzy feeling it gives them.
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Herrebrugh
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Postby Herrebrugh » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:25 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:I consider myself far left, identifying as a communist.

:blink:

Was that a recent development?


Not really. Why?
Uyt naem Zijner Majeſteyt Jozef III, bij de gratie Godts, Koningh der Herrebrugheylanden, Prins van Rheda, Heer van Jozefslandt, enz. enz. enz.
Im Namen Seiner Majeſtät Joſeph III., von Gottes Gnaden König der Herrenbrückinſeln, Prinz von Rheda, Herr von Josephsland etc. etc. etc.


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Jongy Like Jenga
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Postby Jongy Like Jenga » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:27 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:I don't get what the hell just happened.

I chastised someone for being anti racist because anti racism is code for condescension towards minorities. I announced that i favor discrimination. Some take issue with that.


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I wanna go to jail,
I commit a crime; the cops say
"Nah, it's okay, you're white!"
Man, goddamn it, lemme to jail; Imma gangster,
why can't I get arrested? It's not fair! Man,
I can't stand it! If I wanna cell then I guess I better
start tannin', because it'll been cool if I was black but, I'ma...

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Degenerate Heart of HetRio
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:27 pm

Herrebrugh wrote:Not really. Why?

I always thought you were a democratic socialist just a bit further left than social democracy. :P
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Skinia
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Postby Skinia » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:27 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Olivaero wrote:So why use the term "Right" when you mean "Ability to"?


Ah, Kantian distinction. I mean willpower in this sense.

Negative Rights are truths derived from self ownership for me. Because I own myself, nobody has the ability to get into my mind and start fvcking with me. That same idea is branched out into a legal guide based on consequentialist aims.

Give me evidence that you own yourself.
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Straight marriage should be illegal. My holy book told me so. According to Levitacos, the punishment for heterosexuality is tickling the bottoms of their feet.
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Camelza
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Postby Camelza » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:28 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:Not really. Why?

I always thought you were a democratic socialist just a bit further left than social democracy. :P

All social democrats in NSG are Kryptopotkinists.

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Jongy Like Jenga
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Postby Jongy Like Jenga » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:29 pm

Camelza wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:I always thought you were a democratic socialist just a bit further left than social democracy. :P

All social democrats in NSG are Kryptopotkinists.


Kryptonite pot smokers? What?
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Jongy Like Jenga
Alt of Barraco Barner
I wanna go to jail,
I commit a crime; the cops say
"Nah, it's okay, you're white!"
Man, goddamn it, lemme to jail; Imma gangster,
why can't I get arrested? It's not fair! Man,
I can't stand it! If I wanna cell then I guess I better
start tannin', because it'll been cool if I was black but, I'ma...

Wigger, Wigger, Wigger!

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Camelza
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Postby Camelza » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:30 pm

Jongy Like Jenga wrote:
Camelza wrote:All social democrats in NSG are Kryptopotkinists.


Kryptonite pot smokers? What?

Portmanteu of Crypto- and Kropotkinist.
But I like your explanation better.

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Herrebrugh
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Postby Herrebrugh » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:30 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:Not really. Why?

I always thought you were a democratic socialist just a bit further left than social democracy. :P


Oh. Yeah, I hung around there a bit (I don't keep track of it myself >.> ).

That was mostly influenced by being a member of the region I'm a member of, and of the Socialistische Partij. After (finally) reading the Communist Manifesto, and thinking, independently, for a while, I went full red :p

Oh, and the Socialistische Partij isn't really Socialistisch. I really should cancel my membership...
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Uyt naem Zijner Majeſteyt Jozef III, bij de gratie Godts, Koningh der Herrebrugheylanden, Prins van Rheda, Heer van Jozefslandt, enz. enz. enz.
Im Namen Seiner Majeſtät Joſeph III., von Gottes Gnaden König der Herrenbrückinſeln, Prinz von Rheda, Herr von Josephsland etc. etc. etc.


The Factbook of the Kingdom of the Herrebrugh Islands
Where the Website-Style Factbook Originated!

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