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What are your Political Views

Far-Left
75
20%
Left
63
17%
Center-Left
74
19%
Center
43
11%
Center-Right
54
14%
Right
37
10%
Far-Right
34
9%
 
Total votes : 380

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Atlanticatia
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Founded: Mar 01, 2014
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Postby Atlanticatia » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:16 pm

Caribica wrote:So just because I found a buisness now means I have no right to control what goes on in my buisness?

You do, but not when it impedes on the rights of others, or entrenches institutional racism/sexism/homophobia. Or if it commits theft or fraud. Or if it pollutes the environment.
Owning a business doesn't make you able to circumvent the rules that society believes in. The public has the right to regulate.
Economic Left/Right: -5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.95

Pros: social democracy, LGBT+ rights, pro-choice, free education and health care, environmentalism, Nordic model, secularism, welfare state, multiculturalism
Cons: social conservatism, neoliberalism, hate speech, racism, sexism, 'right-to-work' laws, religious fundamentalism
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New Acardia
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Postby New Acardia » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:16 pm

I would say some where between Center Right and Right .
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Skinia
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Founded: Nov 23, 2014
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Postby Skinia » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:16 pm

Camelza wrote:
Skinia wrote:How can someone who is against racism be a racist?

Pssst, haven't you heard that "Anti-racist is code for anti-white"?
:roll:

Been there, heard that. But wait... doesn't that mean white people are racist? You racist.
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Anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist, anti-discrimination, anti-fascist, anti-genderist, anti-leninist, anti-racist, anti-sexist, anti-sexualist, anti-statist and anti-theist.
Straight marriage should be illegal. My holy book told me so. According to Levitacos, the punishment for heterosexuality is tickling the bottoms of their feet.
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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:16 pm

Conscentia wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:I don't know, you tell me. As for me, I believe it creates goals or freedoms that are good for myself.

Ew. Narcissism.


OBJECTIVE MORALITY BEING DISPLAYED. WHOOP, WHOOP, WHOOP.
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Camelza
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Postby Camelza » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:16 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Camelza wrote:Claiming that you're pro-racism doesn't actually help your case of not being a racist. Just saying.


Oh?

Do I need to explain it?
Fine.
Saying "I'm pro-racism" nulifies your "oh, I'm not" since by being pro-racism it means you're a supporter of racism and thus a racist.
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Distruzio
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Postby Distruzio » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:17 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Oh i am a bigot. It just isnt race that i target.


It sounds a lot like you're not really anything other than a contrarian.


A charge im often accused of for not towing the socially accepted line.
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Olerand
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Postby Olerand » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:17 pm

Caribica wrote:
Olerand wrote:Pathetic. Businesses are not individuals, they don't have beliefs. Nor do their do their founders' beliefs allow them to refuse service based on race, gender, sexual identity/orientation, social status, socioeconomic class, nationality, origin, or ethnicity.

Except for in some American states. And apparently, maybe soon, Northern Ireland.

So just because I found a buisness now means I have no right to control what goes on in my buisness?
I shouldn't have expected anything semi intelligent from a Frenchman, why did the nazis have to kill off all the good conservatives in your country?

You certainly do. You may not, however, refuse service to the "negro, faggot, towel head" or what have you.

Interesting. The Nazis never intended to kill us, however. So...
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Zottistan
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Postby Zottistan » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:17 pm

Conscentia wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:I don't know, you tell me. As for me, I believe it creates goals or freedoms that are good for myself.

Ew. Narcissism.

Egoism isn't necessarily narcissism.

Camelza wrote:
Skinia wrote:How can someone who is against racism be a racist?

Pssst, haven't you heard that "Anti-racist is code for anti-white"?
:roll:

Haven't you heard that "anti-racist is code for anti-white" is code for "I can't find my medication"?
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Olivaero
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Founded: Jun 17, 2011
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Postby Olivaero » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:17 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Olivaero wrote:you certainly have the abillity to do things no matter what the law says, if your well muscled and trained in combat you have the ability to beat some one who is neither of those things up just like you have the ability to think whatever you like do you also have the negative right to beat someone up because it's something you can do completely of your own volition?


Of course you do. Just like that person has the ability to fight back, or even better, hire a bunch of bodyguards, and a million other ways to protect themselves using their rights.

So why use the term "Right" when you mean "Ability to"?
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Skinia
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Postby Skinia » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:17 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Ew. Narcissism.


OBJECTIVE MORALITY BEING DISPLAYED. WHOOP, WHOOP, WHOOP.

>Belittles objective morality
>Promotes objective negative freedoms
Synthesis anarchist, eco-socialist, queer feminist and your friendly neighborhood violent drugged-out potty-mouth with a gun boner. I am a gynephilic bisexual.
Anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist, anti-discrimination, anti-fascist, anti-genderist, anti-leninist, anti-racist, anti-sexist, anti-sexualist, anti-statist and anti-theist.
Straight marriage should be illegal. My holy book told me so. According to Levitacos, the punishment for heterosexuality is tickling the bottoms of their feet.
There are no other gods than Young Urban Perverts and Jarkko Martikainen is their prophet. Peace be upon Him. (I am not a skinhead in real life. This is just a skinhead-themed nation. Now get off me.)

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Ykrovjnge Krjvwic
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Founded: May 11, 2014
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Postby Ykrovjnge Krjvwic » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:17 pm

Fortschritte wrote:
Ykrovjnge Krjvwic wrote:
See Signature
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Jesus, all the colors are nearly blinding.

Right? I thought it may have been too much, but hey what the hell.

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Distruzio
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Founded: Feb 28, 2011
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Postby Distruzio » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:19 pm

Camelza wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Oh?

Do I need to explain it?
Fine.
Saying "I'm pro-racism" nulifies your "oh, I'm not" since by being pro-racism it means you're a supporter of racism and thus a racist.


Ill concede that it isnt racism in particular that i favor but discrimination in general. If that includes racism then so be it.
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Dumb Ideologies
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:19 pm

Dis Truzio's Pro Racist HD: available now at your local Klavern.
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Caribica
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Founded: Nov 18, 2014
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Postby Caribica » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:19 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:
Caribica wrote:So just because I found a buisness now means I have no right to control what goes on in my buisness?

You do, but not when it impedes on the rights of others, or entrenches institutional racism/sexism/homophobia. Or if it commits theft or fraud. Or if it pollutes the environment.
Owning a business doesn't make you able to circumvent the rules that society believes in. The public has the right to regulate.

Well that's what we have laws for, just because I found a business doesn't mean it's above the law, I still need to follow the same laws as ordinary people

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Skinia
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Postby Skinia » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:19 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Skinia wrote:Then you're not 'pro racist'. You're 'pro some other discrimination'.


Pro discrimination would be more accurate, i concede.

Why the discrimination, Distruzio? I thought of you as a more decent fellow than that. I remember the time I stumbled upon you and was like "Anarcho-monarchism? Whuuuhhh?"
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Anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist, anti-discrimination, anti-fascist, anti-genderist, anti-leninist, anti-racist, anti-sexist, anti-sexualist, anti-statist and anti-theist.
Straight marriage should be illegal. My holy book told me so. According to Levitacos, the punishment for heterosexuality is tickling the bottoms of their feet.
There are no other gods than Young Urban Perverts and Jarkko Martikainen is their prophet. Peace be upon Him. (I am not a skinhead in real life. This is just a skinhead-themed nation. Now get off me.)

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Distruzio
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Postby Distruzio » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:19 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Distruzio wrote:Pro discrimination would be more accurate, i concede.

Jesus would not approve, if the NT is anything to go off.


I disagree. As you are well aware.
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Skinia
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Postby Skinia » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:21 pm

Conscentia wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:OBJECTIVE MORALITY BEING DISPLAYED. WHOOP, WHOOP, WHOOP.

No such thing, so it's impossible to display it.

I think he meant 'promoted'.
Synthesis anarchist, eco-socialist, queer feminist and your friendly neighborhood violent drugged-out potty-mouth with a gun boner. I am a gynephilic bisexual.
Anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist, anti-discrimination, anti-fascist, anti-genderist, anti-leninist, anti-racist, anti-sexist, anti-sexualist, anti-statist and anti-theist.
Straight marriage should be illegal. My holy book told me so. According to Levitacos, the punishment for heterosexuality is tickling the bottoms of their feet.
There are no other gods than Young Urban Perverts and Jarkko Martikainen is their prophet. Peace be upon Him. (I am not a skinhead in real life. This is just a skinhead-themed nation. Now get off me.)

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Camelza
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Postby Camelza » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:21 pm

Olerand wrote:
Camelza wrote:The Phalanges were actually modelled after the Nazi party;
I was the captain of the Lebanese football team and the president of the Lebanese Football federation. We went to the Olympic Games of 1936 in Berlin. And I saw then this discipline and order. And I said to myself: "Why can't we do the same thing in Lebanon?" So when we came back to Lebanon, we created this youth movement. When I was in Berlin then, Nazism did not have the reputation which it has now. Nazism? In every system in the world, you can find something good. But Nazism was not Nazism at all. The word came afterwards. In their system, I saw discipline. And we in the Middle East, we need discipline more than anything else.
-Gemayel(not the one you have in mind).
As for the other one? I had the National Social Syrian Party in mind, it was modelled after the NSDAP, but it has adopted baathism over the years.
Also the Nazis were fascists, to consider nazism as something else other than German-styled Fascism belongs to the sphere of semanticology.

Their ideology is fascism, however, not Nazism. They adopted Nazi movements and such, like the Hitler salute or whatever, but as far as my understanding of the locals' descriptions goes, they did it for show. Their ideology, again as far as the descriptions I have received, is fascism, however.

Nazism is fascism, but fascism is not necessarily Nazism. The Syrian Social Nationalist Party was indeed influenced by Nazism, that is true, I missed them. As you have stated however, they have moved to Baathism.

My original point though was that Abrahamic religions and fascism don't go well together, not which are the current ideological wereabouts of a previously fascist party of an islamic-majority country and which brand of fascism followed. I concentrate solely on the fact that the only party that was closest to fascist ideals in an islamic majority country was secular.


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Atlanticatia
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Postby Atlanticatia » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:21 pm

Caribica wrote:
Atlanticatia wrote:You do, but not when it impedes on the rights of others, or entrenches institutional racism/sexism/homophobia. Or if it commits theft or fraud. Or if it pollutes the environment.
Owning a business doesn't make you able to circumvent the rules that society believes in. The public has the right to regulate.

Well that's what we have laws for, just because I found a business doesn't mean it's above the law, I still need to follow the same laws as ordinary people


Well, one of those laws might dictate that your business has to serve everyone regardless of race/gender/sexual orientation/gender identity, so therefore you'd have to follow it.
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.95

Pros: social democracy, LGBT+ rights, pro-choice, free education and health care, environmentalism, Nordic model, secularism, welfare state, multiculturalism
Cons: social conservatism, neoliberalism, hate speech, racism, sexism, 'right-to-work' laws, religious fundamentalism
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Olerand
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Postby Olerand » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:22 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:As it relates to philosophy, "truths" are anything that are inherent. There is an inherent truth in say, all men have the ability to think.

So you only prove the subjectivity of positive rights and ability for them to be taken away. Yet you have yet to deny me the objectivity of negative rights.

I have a negative right to think whatever thought I want about you, as I have the will to do it, and while a law may influence that it cannot take away it's inherence.

If one recognizes inherent-ness. I do not. Philosophies are varied, and cannot all be grouped together as "philosophy".
That is simply a biological fact, save for those with extreme developmental abilities.

There are no inherent rights. No objective rights. All rights are subjective, and depend on the person/society's recognition of them, or the Human documents granting them.

Sure you do. As long as you don't live in an oppressive State, and you are not discovered. I believe, by my tradition and values, that you have that right; clearly, that other State does not.

As of today, in 2014, the only "inherent" anything on this matter is the UN's UDHR, which is a document of international law, and applicable to all UN member-states.
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