Ferguson Megathread

[Tarsonis Survivors]

He gave the Grand Jury ALL the information instead of suppressing evidence that didn't support a case. Man what a fucking dick.

You do know what a Brady Violation is right? While not applicable to a Grand Jury process it was by far more ethical than normal. GJ should be apprised of all information not just what the prosecutor wants them to get.

Not giving the Grand Jury evidence favorable to the defense is not a Brady violation. Withholding said information from defense attorneys is a Brady violation. The prosecutor's only obligation when it comes to a Grand Jury is to provide evidence that a crime MIGHT have been committed. This was, again, not ethical. This was an abdication of professional responsibilities to thoroughly prosecute a case on behalf of the people.

If you think that Grand Juries should get all evidence, that's fine, but it's not how things work right now, and if they aren't doing that with every single Grand Jury in Ferguson, then the unusual approach to this case is evidence of self-sabotage.

I acknowledged it wasn't a brady violation just using that as reference point.

Prosecutors have leeway on what evidence they provide to the GJ. The prosecutor gave ALL the information in this case. It was perfectly ethical.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

And ... there are riots, looting and fires.

I'm sure there are plenty of good people amongst the protestors, but the troublemakers are just making the goal of a racially harmonious future that much more difficult to achieve.

After all, violence isn't really the best way to convince people to not view you with suspicion.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yes. He gave the Grand Jury everything that he had, including information that could be interpreted in a manner favorable to the defense, which in any other circumstances would be considered professional suicide. The fact that he did so and got away with it indicates that there was no will to prosecute.

Not really. What makes this grand jury different from the norm is the defendant testified, moreover the defendant likely had knowledge of most if not all of the evidence favorable to him. I guarantee if the prosecutor did not present favorable evidence Wilson would have referenced that evidence in his testimony and the grand jury would have requested/subpoenaed that evidence.

A lot of the normal strategies of grand jury go out the window when a defendant both testifies and is familiar with the criminal process.

Wait, defendants can justify at Grand Jury trials? Is that even procedurally proper? (As in it can be done, not necessarily that it should or that it is done).

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Yes. He gave the Grand Jury everything that he had, including information that could be interpreted in a manner favorable to the defense, which in any other circumstances would be considered professional suicide. The fact that he did so and got away with it indicates that there was no will to prosecute.

Not really. What makes this grand jury different from the norm is the defendant testified, moreover the defendant likely had knowledge of most if not all of the evidence favorable to him. I guarantee if the prosecutor did not present favorable evidence Wilson would have referenced that evidence in his testimony and the grand jury would have requested/subpoenaed that evidence.

A lot of the normal strategies of grand jury go out the window when a defendant both testifies and is familiar with the criminal process.

Do you have other examples where defendants have testified and the prosecutor has dumped all of the information on a Grand Jury as a result?

[Eastern Equestria]

Hispanic is not a race. Latino Americans come in black, white, and mestizo varieties.

I'm not contesting that. I'm only saying that this is the distinction that is been made regarding ZImmerman.

*shrugs*

[-The West Coast-]

He assaulted a police officer and reached for his gun after ignoring his orders to stop. he assaulted Wilson and that was why he was killed in self-defense.

But, hey, that's racist.


Muslims getting frisked in Airports?

'Dem Terrorists

Nothing racist about protecting yourself.

[Gauthier]

Let's be honest here... If Darren Wilson was black and Michael Brown was white, none of this would be happening. Racial equality has surpassed racial equality and has become black supremacy - African Americans are supposed to be treated differently from everyone else in our society. I'm not racist, but this is how it is and it's bullshit.

Because hey, a black cop shooting an unarmed white teenager would not have been indicted either and white people would accept it submissively. *nod nod*

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Why exactly do you feel that justice has been served? Petty theft is not worth a death sentence, much less without trial.

He assaulted a police officer and reached for his gun after ignoring his orders to stop. he assaulted Wilson and that was why he was killed in self-defense.

Self-defense.

With his hands up.

While, according to numerous witnesses (none of whom contradicted each other in this one respect) he was surrendering.

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

But, hey, that's racist.


Muslims getting frisked in Airports?

'Dem Terrorists

Nothing racist about protecting yourself.

I know, but in America is, as it looks.

[United Marxist Nations]

He was shot in the front, and the witnesses the Grand Jury heard must've said that he was in some danger, or he would have been indicted.

Jesus fucking christ.

Just because Michael Brown was shot from the front, does not mean he was not shot from behind.

The autopsy said all of the shots entered the front.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Do you know this for a fact?
Have you seen the evidence which proves he was no longer a clear and present danger?

i keep forgetting, running while black presents a clear and present danger to the privileged class.

Hey, he wasn't running. He had turned and was surrendering! You never know what a man might be capable of while he's raising his hands and giving up!

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I'm not contesting that. I'm only saying that this is the distinction that is been made regarding ZImmerman.

*shrugs*

I will add however, that there are many Americans who think there aren't white Latinos. I've seen it around where I live, and I've seen it on NSG with certain posters.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Do you know this for a fact?
Have you seen the evidence which proves he was no longer a clear and present danger?

i keep forgetting, running while black presents a clear and present danger to the privileged class.

Do you know he was running when he was shot?

Please, show me the forensic evidence you must have seen?

[The Carlisle]

He assaulted a police officer and reached for his gun after ignoring his orders to stop. he assaulted Wilson and that was why he was killed in self-defense.

Self-defense.

With his hands up.

While, according to numerous witnesses (none of whom contradicted each other in this one respect) he was surrendering.

B-But Yum! Those witnesses were dirty naughty liars!

[Gauthier]

And ... there are riots, looting and fires.

I'm sure there are plenty of good people amongst the protestors, but the troublemakers are just making the goal of a racially harmonious future that much more difficult to achieve.

After all, violence isn't really the best way to convince people to not view you with suspicion.

It's more Self Fulfilling Propecy. If you're going to be viewed with suspicion no matter what, why play nice?

[The Social Justice Warrior]

He assaulted a police officer and reached for his gun after ignoring his orders to stop. he assaulted Wilson and that was why he was killed in self-defense.

But, hey, that's racist.


Muslims getting frisked in Airports?

'Dem Terrorists

is this the part where we whip out and compare our relative levels of discrimination or something?

that's childish, and gets no one nowhere.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

*shrugs*

I will add however, that there are many Americans who think there aren't white Latinos. I've seen it around where I live, and I've seen it on NSG with certain posters.

Same.

I don't get it, because you can't distinguish a Latino from a white person many times except on how they speak, but whatever.

[Gauthier]

Self-defense.

With his hands up.

While, according to numerous witnesses (none of whom contradicted each other in this one respect) he was surrendering.

B-But Yum! Those witnesses were dirty naughty liars!

And they can't see that blacks are always armed and dangerous even when their hands are empty. *nod nod*

"HE'S GOT HANDS!!" *BLAM BLAM BLAM*

[Jordsindia]

Let's be honest here... If Darren Wilson was black and Michael Brown was white, none of this would be happening. Racial equality has surpassed racial equality and has become black supremacy - African Americans are supposed to be treated differently from everyone else in our society. I'm not racist, but this is how it is and it's bullshit.

Because hey, a black cop shooting an unarmed white teenager would not have been indicted either and white people would accept it submissively. *nod nod*

It doesn't make the news. The fact that it may be 'racist' gives these people an excuse to destroy shit.

[West Angola]

It's more Self Fulfilling Propecy. If you're going to be viewed with suspicion no matter what, why play nice?

Because there's a ton of non-racist, non-involved people who are probably gonna get hurt in the process?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I will add however, that there are many Americans who think there aren't white Latinos. I've seen it around where I live, and I've seen it on NSG with certain posters.

Same.

I don't get it, because you can't distinguish a Latino from a white person many times except on how they speak, but whatever.

I can't even hazard a guess. Other than to say that, unfortunately, racism is still very much a thing in the Home of the Free, Land of the Brave.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Self-defense.

With his hands up.

While, according to numerous witnesses (none of whom contradicted each other in this one respect) he was surrendering.

B-But Yum! Those witnesses were dirty naughty liars!

Well, I'm not saying it, but the forensic evidence they contradict seems to.

I would love to see everything the grand jury had available so as to form my own opinion, though.

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

But, hey, that's racist.


Muslims getting frisked in Airports?

'Dem Terrorists

is this the part where we whip out and compare our relative levels of discrimination or something?

that's childish, and gets no one nowhere.

How is it childish? That American Society is built in Double Standards?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Did you listen to the verbal reconstruction of the shooting? Here's a good summary of the head shot; http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168966- ... -shooting/.

I can't speak to Brown's thought process, and neither can you. Brown's arms weren't up when he was shot, and he was shot from the front, not behind. According to the prosecutor the forensics are consistent with multiple firing intervals, meaning Brown was shot, ran and was not shot, turned to attack Wilson and was shot, stopped and was not shot, then continued his attack and was shot fatally.

He was shot in the back of the arm when he was running (besides, even if he was not shot, that doesn't change the fact Wilson was shooting at him as he ran. Just because Wilson didn't hit him wouldn't change that fact).

Frankly, if you think someone would turn around and run back AT the guy who was shooting at you, you're mental.

He was not shot in the back of the arm, meaning he was facing away from Wilson. He was shot in the back of the arm, meaning his palms were not fed towards the direction of the shot. In point of fact, that indicates Brown's hands were not above his head; they were instead pointed with his palms behind him, facing away from Wilson at the time of the shooting. Either his hands were at his sides as he ran away from Wilson, palms turned somehow forward, he raised his hands while facing away from Wilson and then received the wound, or he was facing towards Wilson without his palms visible. Simply, one shot to the "back" of an arm does not "shooting at a fleeing suspect" make.

I don't know if he did or not. His injuries are consistent with facing towards Wilson without his hands raised, and the exit paths are lower on the body than the entrance wounds, indicating a tilt in the angle of Brown's body at the time of the impact. Either Brown was standing up straight and Wilson was flying several feet in the air while firing, or Brown's stature was shifted towards Wilson when he was shot.

You know what a tilted body stance can indicate? Leaning forward to run. And the bullet wounds are on the front of the body, so Brown was either running towards Wilson, or for some reason very slowly defying gravity and falling forward rigidly.

So the facts support being shot from the front, not while fleeing. Care to call your next evidence exhibit?

[NERVUN]

Sorry gang, sweeping. Take 5.

Sorry about that, trying to sweep and direct students to sweep.

Any case:

Obviously there is no other way to get justice. So yes, lynch Darren Wilson. Cops need to fear their actions will have consequences.

Trolling (calling for someone's death), *** warned ***.

Whaha, 3rd world country XD
Ever compared the US to the Netherlands?
The US would be the 3rd world country here smartass.

Flaming (Mild yes, but not here and now), *** Warned ***.

Cap as many rioters as possible.

Trolling (Calling for death), *** warned ***.

Again folks, chilly down.

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