Ferguson Megathread

[Occupied Deutschland]

Fucking make an effort to look at the evidence, AND I MEAN PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. not i witnesses.

Evidence of what? We have audio evidence of the shooting, if you listen, DW shoots several times, then PAUSES for several seconds (presumably after MB stops) and he begins shooting again. We have physical evidence of a bullet hitting the back of his arm, and a bullet entering the top of his head. That's pretty damned good if I do say so.

No, that's basing your entire opinion on a pause.
Which is...oh, what's the word...It's kind of like 'pretty damned good' only instead of 'good' at the end there we use...Oh yeah, 'little'. The word I was thinking of was 'little'.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Do you know for a fact he was surrendering?
Were you on the grand jury?
Did you see all the evidence yourself?
What leads you to the conclusion he was surrendering?

Video of witnesses on the scene literally show people shouting "Why'd he shoot him! He was putting his hands up!" (paraphrasing here).

I don't see how you need to be any more obvious.

And have you seen the ballistic evidence?
Heard all of the eyewitness accounts?
Do you even know if this video is true? Or is the only video of the confrontation for that matter?

[Ethel mermania]

Law should promote justice, period.

And justice was served.

You know what wasn't? Revenge.

laws promote process, they do not promote justice. we hope that fair process leads to justice, but that certainly is not a given

[Greed and Death]

Liquor store was robbed already and a few cars on fire.

[The Seleucids (Ancient)]

Whaha, 3rd world country XD
Ever compared the US to the Netherlands?
The US would be the 3rd world country here smartass.

FLAMING... also the US has major cities...

Flaming?
So? Having major cities has nothing to do with being a 3rd world country or anything for that matter.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Uhuh.

And running away after assaulting an officer is fleeing a crime scene. Note that Wilson didn't fire until Brown turned and began coming back towards him, likely with intent to fight.

Was a fleeing criminal shot? Nope.

Was a criminal bent on attacking the officer trying to apprehend him shot? Sure seems like it.

Do you people even listen to yourselves? Really? Who in their right mind would charge at someone holding a gun at them, while they were already bleeding from being shot twice?

Not only did Darren Wilson shoot at a fleeing Michael Brown (who was hit in his arm, which caused him to stop and turn around) he shot a surrendering Michael Brown...even as said person was falling down to the ground (which is how the fatal bullet ended up hitting the top of his head).

Did you listen to the verbal reconstruction of the shooting? Here's a good summary of the head shot; http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168966- ... -shooting/.

I can't speak to Brown's thought process, and neither can you. Brown's arms weren't up when he was shot, and he was shot from the front, not behind. According to the prosecutor the forensics are consistent with multiple firing intervals, meaning Brown was shot, ran and was not shot, turned to attack Wilson and was shot, stopped and was not shot, then continued his attack and was shot fatally.

[United States Kingdom]

I indeed do not have a clue about the law in the US, which appears to be a backwards law. So you're right in that.

Still leaps and bounds better then whatever 3rd world country you're apparently from, where lynch mobs and mass rioting and looting are acceptable ways of protest.

How do you even know that it he is from a 3rd world country?

[The Seleucids (Ancient)]

That's your opinion.

No that's reality, and an understanding of how burden of proof works.

Nope, just your opinion, nothing more.

[Gauthier]

And the Missouri grand jury declares that it's acceptable for police to shoot black teenagers for whatever reason as long as they have hands.

How many people sincerely believe if a black cop shot an unarmed white teenager he would have not been indicted either?

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58472 ... l.html.csp


Damn, how does it feel to be wrong?

Hispanic cop. Zimmerman was Hispanic too. Thanks for you playing.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I think that is an excellent distinction to make. I think there were many bent on revenge, not justice.

This is, however, not to say that the death of Michael Brown was tragic or that we need to be aware that there are iniquities in how law enforcement in the US tends to handle issues that involve black people, even tangentially.

Indeed so. Is the US justice system prejudiced against minorities? The preponderance of the evidence would indicate yes. Is this an example of that prejudice? Possibly.

Should Officer Wilson have been crucified for doing his job to satisfy agitated public opinion in certain camps?

I don't think so.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Occupied Deutschland]

I'm sure the local residents are delighted.

Well, perhaps they can have a going out of business sale. Whatever is left in the ruins of the burned store can be sold. Everything of value has probably been stolen already.

They can use the same tactics as the police officer contestedly used, and that served Koreantown owners well during the Rodney King riots.

Self-defense of their own.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Keep telling yourself that kid.

With people like you around, I fear for the future.

Me to, but then with people like you around. I already see cops killing random people and walking of free becouse you know, nobody cares about justice.

Yeah, because of this thing called "evidence".

[Greed and Death]

Good news everyone! The scanner says that a local Walgreens is on fire. This is justice in action. #justice4mikebrown

I'm sure the local residents are delighted.

But my investment in firearm companies is likely to pay off.

[Imperial--japan]

Cap as many rioters as possible.

[Insaeldor]

And why should we fucking care? Plus I'm pretty sure good christian boys aren't suppose to say swears.

You don't have to care. Blasphemy is the sin by the way.

Oh no a sin what should do! Oh lordy lordy!

Anyway I don't see why you need to just post random borderline spam on your feelings then contribute to the dialogue going on here.

[The Seleucids (Ancient)]

That's your opinion.

And the opinion of the Grand Jury... Imagine that.

Imagine that, the opinions of some random people... Damn, should i feel honored?

[Paddy O Fernature]

Keep telling yourself that kid.

With people like you around, I fear for the future.

Me to, but then with people like you around. I already see cops killing random people and walking of free becouse you know, nobody cares about justice.

Tell me, do you get lonely in that imaginary world you live in?

[Gauthier]

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58472 ... l.html.csp


Damn, how does it feel to be wrong?

I feel like this deserves a shameless bump to the next page so maybe more people will see your excellent come-back!

Even more shameless to scrabble for any pretense to the point assuming Hispanic = Black. Also, victims was not a white teenager.Plz try agn.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Here's what makes me believe that justice was not served:

The usual process when presenting evidence before a grand jury is for the prosecutor to show the evidence that a crime was committed, and to ask for a particular indictment. There is no requirement that a prosecutor give any information that might be considered favorable to the defense, and indeed, it is almost unheard of for a prosecutor to do so. In this case, the prosecutor simply dumped all of the information into their laps, including information that could be seen as favorable to the defense, and gave a laundry list of possible charges. There was no serious attempt to indict. The fact that defense attorneys are not allowed to mount a defense during grand jury proceedings was meaningless in this case, since the prosecutor did their job for them.

here i disagree wiht you, from what i have heard, he gave the grand jury everything he had, it think it was a Cover Your Ass move, So he could not be accused of withholding evidence from the grand jury.

If the leaked forensic evidence was accurate, powder burns on brown, even if he was shot 30 seconds after the struggle and when to cop was not in danger (which should lead ot an indictment) No grand jury would indict the cop white or black, for the crime

Yes. He gave the Grand Jury everything that he had, including information that could be interpreted in a manner favorable to the defense, which in any other circumstances would be considered professional suicide. The fact that he did so and got away with it indicates that there was no will to prosecute.

[Insaeldor]

Cap as many rioters as possible.

Because killing people solves all are problems right?

[The Seleucids (Ancient)]

Becouse it would serve justice.
Anyhow, let me talk to you again once your kid gets killed by a cop and those random people decide that nothing reallly bad has happend.

My kids won't get killed by cops. They follow the laws.

I'm sorry for your kids having a boring life.

[The Social Justice Warrior]

This rioting is making me fucking mad!

the fact that black teenager can be shot in broad daylight and there's no justice for him is making more people mad.

[Margno]

So did Trayvon Martin. Didn't help him much.

Didn't get killed by a cop. You could have used a better example.

Officers entrusted with legitimate violence by the state are by definition cops no matter what they call themselves.

[Greater Weselton]

You don't have to care. Blasphemy is the sin by the way.

Oh no a sin what should do! Oh lordy lordy!

Anyway I don't see why you need to just post random borderline spam on your feelings then contribute to the dialogue going on here.

Why can't we all be Americans and stop this? By the way, I did not commit blasphemy.

[Jinos]

Evidence of what? We have audio evidence of the shooting, if you listen, DW shoots several times, then PAUSES for several seconds (presumably after MB stops) and he begins shooting again. We have physical evidence of a bullet hitting the back of his arm, and a bullet entering the top of his head. That's pretty damned good if I do say so.

i am not even going to try with you anymore.

There is evidence that there was a struggle.

The struggle at the car is irrelevant. I see no reason why people should put such significance on whether Brown reached for Wilson's gun, or anything else that occurred there.

All that matters is that Brown ran, and while he was running Wilson shot at him. How else do you explain how Brown ran 100ft from Wilson's patrol car?