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Postby Lalaki » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:06 pm

A few months ago, when this was first starting to brew over, I maintained a neutral position on this. My only stance was no event justified any form of violence from the protesters, and that the looting reported was wrong and unjust.

I still maintain that all protests should be peaceful assemblies. But now, given more development and research, I respectfully and humbly stand with the people who demand justice for Micheal Brown. What happened was wrong, and the officer who committed the action should have been at least tried. However, I also respect the decision of the jury. Even when we disagree with the rulings, we are obligated to respect them. Thus is the foundation of our rule of law.

What we need to do now is push for racial equality at all turns. Our job is clearly not done. We need to let Micheal Brown rest in peace, and not politicize his case any longer. The only thing to be done is to advocate justice in his memory, peacefully and lawfully.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:07 pm

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It is probably unreasonable for me to expect more police officers to be like Cordell Walker, but tasers aren't be a good alternative either. Some people will drop dead from heart attacks if they get electrocuted. If Blacks will feel wronged anytime a White police officer is involved, the only solution is to get Black police officers to patrol Black neighborhoods. I wouldn't mind too much if White officers only got assigned to majority White neighborhoods, Asians for Asian neighborhoods, etc.
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Postby Margno » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:07 pm

Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:
Margno wrote:You're lying.

no he is not. Looting and riots broke out. White male set police car on fire. Shots fired. Choppers in air.

Police car is on fire. Walgreens is not on fire.
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The Seleucids (Ancient)
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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:07 pm

Asyir wrote:
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If it would serve justice, then yes.

If 11 people disagree with you, then your ideal of justice is wrong.


Nope, you 11 people just have an ideal of justice that is backwards, inhumain and sick.

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Postby Asyir » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:07 pm

Margno wrote:
Asyir wrote:My kids won't get killed by cops. They follow the laws.

So did Trayvon Martin. Didn't help him much.

Nope. Sorry. He beat up Zimmerman. Assault is illegal.
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Postby Greater Weselton » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:07 pm

This rioting is making me fucking mad!
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Planita
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Postby Planita » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:08 pm

Physical evidence doesn't lie people do.

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Paddy O Fernature
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:08 pm

The Seleucids wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
And justice was served.

You know what wasn't? Revenge.


Please explain how justice was serverd. A person dead, the one who killed him got to walk off without a trial or anything. I don't know from what backwards country you're from but over here that isn't called justice.


It is when the shooting was justified.

Seriously, how is that so fucking hard for you to grasp.
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The Seleucids (Ancient)
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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:08 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
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I do, i do, i do and i do. I just happen to live in a country where logic, reason, the right thing and justice matter.


you already said you would vote to indict regardless of the evidence presented. You admitted you have no care for the truth, you just want to see a mother fucker burn.


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Postby Jinos » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:08 pm

The balkens wrote:
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Do you people even listen to yourselves? Really? Who in their right mind would charge at someone holding a gun at them, while they were already bleeding from being shot twice?

Not only did Darren Wilson shoot at a fleeing Michael Brown (who was hit in his arm, which caused him to stop and turn around) he shot a surrendering Michael Brown...even as said person was falling down to the ground (which is how the fatal bullet ended up hitting the top of his head).


Fucking make an effort to look at the evidence, AND I MEAN PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. not i witnesses.


Evidence of what? We have audio evidence of the shooting, if you listen, DW shoots several times, then PAUSES for several seconds (presumably after MB stops) and he begins shooting again. We have physical evidence of a bullet hitting the back of his arm, and a bullet entering the top of his head. That's pretty damned good if I do say so.
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Postby Margno » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:08 pm

Asyir wrote:
Margno wrote:So did Trayvon Martin. Didn't help him much.

Nope. Sorry. He beat up Zimmerman. Assault is illegal.

Stalking is illegal, and self defense is legal.
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Kalifati Arab shqiptar
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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:08 pm

Margno wrote:
Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:no he is not. Looting and riots broke out. White male set police car on fire. Shots fired. Choppers in air.

Police car is on fire. Walgreens is not on fire.

multiple police cars. Protesters moving towards the City Centre

Edit: Walgreens and McDonald's on fire too.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:08 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Inyourfaceistan wrote:
Were you on the grand jury?
What leads you to this conclusion?
Did you see the evidence which the rest of us did not?
If so, please enlighten me.


Here's what makes me believe that justice was not served:

The usual process when presenting evidence before a grand jury is for the prosecutor to show the evidence that a crime was committed, and to ask for a particular indictment. There is no requirement that a prosecutor give any information that might be considered favorable to the defense, and indeed, it is almost unheard of for a prosecutor to do so. In this case, the prosecutor simply dumped all of the information into their laps, including information that could be seen as favorable to the defense, and gave a laundry list of possible charges. There was no serious attempt to indict. The fact that defense attorneys are not allowed to mount a defense during grand jury proceedings was meaningless in this case, since the prosecutor did their job for them.


here i disagree wiht you, from what i have heard, he gave the grand jury everything he had, it think it was a Cover Your Ass move, So he could not be accused of withholding evidence from the grand jury.

If the leaked forensic evidence was accurate, powder burns on brown, even if he was shot 30 seconds after the struggle and when to cop was not in danger (which should lead ot an indictment) No grand jury would indict the cop white or black, for the crime

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Vjaarland
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Postby Vjaarland » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:08 pm

Margno wrote:
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:Good news everyone! The scanner says that a local Walgreens is on fire. This is justice in action. #justice4mikebrown

You're lying.


Well, I assume he's being sarcastic, but he's right about the Walgreens. And that's not the only one.
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Insaeldor
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Postby Insaeldor » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:08 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:This rioting is making me fucking mad!

And why should we fucking care? Plus I'm pretty sure good christian boys aren't suppose to say swears.
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Southern Arkansas
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Postby Southern Arkansas » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:08 pm

Margno wrote:
Asyir wrote:My kids won't get killed by cops. They follow the laws.

So did Trayvon Martin. Didn't help him much.


Didn't get killed by a cop. You could have used a better example.
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Inyourfaceistan
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:09 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Gauthier wrote:And the Missouri grand jury declares that it's acceptable for police to shoot black teenagers for whatever reason as long as they have hands.

How many people sincerely believe if a black cop shot an unarmed white teenager he would have not been indicted either?



http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58472 ... l.html.csp


Damn, how does it feel to be wrong?


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I feel like this deserves a shameless bump to the next page so maybe more people will see your excellent come-back!


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Postby United States Kingdom » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:09 pm

Margno wrote:
Asyir wrote:Nope. Sorry. He beat up Zimmerman. Assault is illegal.

Stalking is illegal, and self defense is legal.

This is not Travyon Martin's case, this is Michael Brown.

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The balkens
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Postby The balkens » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:09 pm

Jinos wrote:
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Fucking make an effort to look at the evidence, AND I MEAN PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. not i witnesses.


Evidence of what? We have audio evidence of the shooting, if you listen, DW shoots several times, then PAUSES for several seconds (presumably after MB stops) and he begins shooting again. We have physical evidence of a bullet hitting the back of his arm, and a bullet entering the top of his head. That's pretty damned good if I do say so.


i am not even going to try with you anymore.

There is evidence that there was a struggle.

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:09 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
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Seriously, How dare he act so ethically.


That's not acting ethically. That's acting unprofessionally. It's nearly unheard of for prosecutors to do the defense's job for them, and it's evidence that the D.A.'s office never had any desire to fire charges.



He gave the Grand Jury ALL the information instead of suppressing evidence that didn't support a case. Man what a fucking dick.

You do know what a Brady Violation is right? While not applicable to a Grand Jury process it was by far more ethical than normal. GJ should be apprised of all information not just what the prosecutor wants them to get.

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Archeuland and Baughistan
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Postby Archeuland and Baughistan » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:09 pm

Pope Joan wrote:
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:Good news everyone! The scanner says that a local Walgreens is on fire. This is justice in action. #justice4mikebrown


I'm sure the local residents are delighted. :(


Well, perhaps they can have a going out of business sale. Whatever is left in the ruins of the burned store can be sold. Everything of value has probably been stolen already.
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Postby Asyir » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:09 pm

The Seleucids wrote:
Asyir wrote:If 11 people disagree with you, then your ideal of justice is wrong.


Nope, you 11 people just have an ideal of justice that is backwards, inhumain and sick.

Backwards? What do you know about justice? Jack shit that's what.

You don't honestly believe that do you?
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Postby Insaeldor » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:09 pm

Southern Arkansas wrote:
Margno wrote:So did Trayvon Martin. Didn't help him much.


Didn't get killed by a cop. You could have used a better example.

The guy I New York that go killed while in a officers choke hold then. Let's use that example.
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Postby Greater Weselton » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:09 pm

Insaeldor wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:This rioting is making me fucking mad!

And why should we fucking care? Plus I'm pretty sure good christian boys aren't suppose to say swears.

You don't have to care. Blasphemy is the sin by the way.
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The Seleucids (Ancient)
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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:09 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
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Whaha, 3rd world country XD
Ever compared the US to the Netherlands?
The US would be the 3rd world country here smartass.


Keep telling yourself that kid.

With people like you around, I fear for the future.


Me to, but then with people like you around. I already see cops killing random people and walking of free becouse you know, nobody cares about justice.

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