Ferguson Megathread

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Exactly, you don't care about evidence, logic, reason, the right thing, or even justice. You just want to see a mother fucker burn. I'd have more respect if you would just admit that.

I do, i do, i do and i do. I just happen to live in a country where logic, reason, the right thing and justice matter.

you already said you would vote to indict regardless of the evidence presented. You admitted you have no care for the truth, you just want to see a mother fucker burn.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Were you on the grand jury?
What leads you to this conclusion?
Did you see the evidence which the rest of us did not?
If so, please enlighten me.

Here's what makes me believe that justice was not served:

The usual process when presenting evidence before a grand jury is for the prosecutor to show the evidence that a crime was committed, and to ask for a particular indictment. There is no requirement that a prosecutor give any information that might be considered favorable to the defense, and indeed, it is almost unheard of for a prosecutor to do so. In this case, the prosecutor simply dumped all of the information into their laps, including information that could be seen as favorable to the defense, and gave a laundry list of possible charges. There was no serious attempt to indict. The fact that defense attorneys are not allowed to mount a defense during grand jury proceedings was meaningless in this case, since the prosecutor did their job for them.

I have to say I still disagree with you.
The prosecution very well could have been trying to hit him with any of those laundry lists of charges, or they could have just realized they didn't have a case themselves.

But thank you for giving a rational response to the question.

[G-Tech Corporation]

He tried to fight the officer and failed spectacularly .

Fighting =/= Running away.

Had they been soldiers, what Darren Wilson did would be a war crime.

Uhuh.

And running away after assaulting an officer is fleeing a crime scene. Note that Wilson didn't fire until Brown turned and began coming back towards him, likely with intent to fight.

Was a fleeing criminal shot? Nope.

Was a criminal bent on attacking the officer trying to apprehend him shot? Sure seems like it.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Is now a good time to move far, far away?

I hear there's some violent riots going on in multiple systems under the control of the Galactic Empire as well, so you probably wouldn't gain much from it.

He tried to fight the officer and failed spectacularly .

Fighting =/= Running away.

Had they been soldiers, what Darren Wilson did would be a war crime.

It's hard to shoot someone who's running away in the front.

And no, even if such was the case, it wouldn't be a war crime.

[The Seleucids (Ancient)]

No i was not, if i was in it they would never come to an agreement.
Already said multiple times.
Nope, don't have to either.

A Grand Jury isn't a panel of legal professionals.

I know, so why on earth are they the ones making such decisions?

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

Good news everyone! The scanner says that a local Walgreens is on fire. This is justice in action. #justice4mikebrown

[Jinos]

Fighting =/= Running away.

Had they been soldiers, what Darren Wilson did would be a war crime.

A war crime?

Being dramatic a bit much?

Killing a surrendered soldier is a war crime. I don't see why it should be any different for Michael Brown, is his life worth less than an enemy combatants?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Law should promote justice, period.

And justice was served.

You know what wasn't? Revenge.

I think that is an excellent distinction to make. I think there were many bent on revenge, not justice.

This is, however, not to say that the death of Michael Brown was tragic or that we need to be aware that there are iniquities in how law enforcement in the US tends to handle issues that involve black people, even tangentially.

[Herskerstad]

Then fix the damn problems! But rioting won't do that!

Nothing will be done, not by those in power. Obama could've directed the DoJ to intervene and charge DW themselves, or any other kind of person, he could instruct the FBI to start investigating these police brutalities. Congress could pass a law doing the same. Who knows? Maybe that will happen, I doubt it though.

The only recourse for the people is to take justice into their own hands. It is undesirable, mob violence is a terrible thing.

But what is worse? A riot? Or a lack of faith in our justice system? I believe the latter to be less desirable.

If Obama would have directed the DoJ, now without a head prosecutor mind you, to follow through with this and most likely fail come trial, then that's not going to spell good for how the community which now largely feels offended will feel about him.

But on a more pragmatic note, I don't think the head of the nation should get bogged down into individual trials like these. There is a system in place and one can be certain that a hot topic issue like this would not reach a conclusion lightly.

[Timmy City]

Apparently apart of a Walgreens in Ferguson is on fire.

[Arcturus Novus]

Fighting =/= Running away.

Had they been soldiers, what Darren Wilson did would be a war crime.

A war crime?

Being dramatic a bit much?

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I often am, but the murder of civillians by military personnel would be a war crime.

[Gauthier]

And the Missouri grand jury declares that it's acceptable for police to shoot black teenagers for whatever reason as long as they have hands.

How many people sincerely believe if a black cop shot an unarmed white teenager he would have not been indicted either?

[Insaeldor]

Worse than the racists over at Yahoo who are talking about how this "thug" deserved to be gunned down from behind for stealing a few cigars?

Yeah. We're the worst

You both look like fools.

Basicly. Call for the death of people who have already been show innocent. No worse that the people say it was a good thing for Michael Brown to die.

You look like a fool and should be ashamed of yourself for the advocation of murder.

[The Seleucids (Ancient)]

Who said they would be the same?

If there wasn't enough evidence to warrant an indictment, there damn sure wasn't enough to garner a conviction.

That's your opinion.

[The balkens]

Whoa. Mike Brown's chest was backward? I thought I was the only one?

I exaggerated slightly. Since Darren Wilson was such a coward, he managed to mostly miss his fleeing target, and was only able to execute Michael Brown when he stopped and turned around to surrender.

But that sounds MUCH worse when I elaborate on the details.

Because bullets fly straight all the time, guys.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Here's what makes me believe that justice was not served:

The usual process when presenting evidence before a grand jury is for the prosecutor to show the evidence that a crime was committed, and to ask for a particular indictment. There is no requirement that a prosecutor give any information that might be considered favorable to the defense, and indeed, it is almost unheard of for a prosecutor to do so. In this case, the prosecutor simply dumped all of the information into their laps, including information that could be seen as favorable to the defense, and gave a laundry list of possible charges. There was no serious attempt to indict. The fact that defense attorneys are not allowed to mount a defense during grand jury proceedings was meaningless in this case, since the prosecutor did their job for them.

Best summation of why people are upset.

What kind of prosecutor lets the accused testify for his defense at a grand jury?

Seriously, How dare he act so ethically.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Still leaps and bounds better then whatever 3rd world country you're apparently from, where lynch mobs and mass rioting and looting are acceptable ways of protest.

Whaha, 3rd world country XD
Ever compared the US to the Netherlands?
The US would be the 3rd world country here smartass.

Keep telling yourself that kid.

With people like you around, I fear for the future.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

Still leaps and bounds better then whatever 3rd world country you're apparently from, where lynch mobs and mass rioting and looting are acceptable ways of protest.

Whaha, 3rd world country XD
Ever compared the US to the Netherlands?
The US would be the 3rd world country here smartass.

FLAMING... also the US has major cities...

[Asyir]

Same with Army/Navy/Air Force/Marine reservists. Are they not military either?

Then why are they called "National Guard" and not US-Military-Wingman-For-Oppressing-Black -Minorities? This is ridiculous. Black People loot, riot and they send the NG, and they feel oprressed.?

Wow. Just wow. Really?

They go through basics, they're soldiers in my book. Looting, rioting are illegal. If the police can't stop it, then the military should step in.

[Margno]

Good news everyone! The scanner says that a local Walgreens is on fire. This is justice in action. #justice4mikebrown

You're lying.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

If there wasn't enough evidence to warrant an indictment, there damn sure wasn't enough to garner a conviction.

That's your opinion.

No that's reality, and an understanding of how burden of proof works.

[The Seleucids (Ancient)]

Who said they would be the same?

I did. If the Grand Jury didn't have enough to indict him, why should I, a tax paying citizen, pay to get the same results from a trial? Espeically if my money could go in better places.

Becouse it would serve justice.
Anyhow, let me talk to you again once your kid gets killed by a cop and those random people decide that nothing reallly bad has happend.

[Greater Weselton]

The people her appear to support the rioting.

[Pope Joan]

Good news everyone! The scanner says that a local Walgreens is on fire. This is justice in action. #justice4mikebrown

I'm sure the local residents are delighted.

[Mavorpen]

And justice was served.

You know what wasn't? Revenge.

I think that is an excellent distinction to make. I think there were many bent on revenge, not justice.

This is, however, not to say that the death of Michael Brown was tragic or that we need to be aware that there are iniquities in how law enforcement in the US tends to handle issues that involve black people, even tangentially.

There are also many who are quite honestly using this as an excuse to just do stupid shit.