Ferguson Megathread

[The Floating Island of the Sleeping God]

http://www.ny1.com/content/news/219811/breaking--grand-jury-decides-not-to-indict-officer-in-eric-garner-case/

What the fuck.

Police officers could murder Jesus and people would justify it by talking about how much time he spent hanging out with the devil. I just can't fucking believe this. A man was killed on camera while screaming for help, the coroner ruled it a homicide, a jury looked at it and said "nah, there's no case here."

[Gauthier]

http://www.ny1.com/content/news/219811/breaking--grand-jury-decides-not-to-indict-officer-in-eric-garner-case/

What the fuck.

Police officers could murder Jesus and people would justify it by talking about how much time he spent hanging out with the devil.

Unless the police officer is black. See Dawon Gore.

I just can't fucking believe this. A man was killed on camera while screaming for help, the coroner ruled it a homicide, a jury looked at it and said "nah, there's no case here."

Because blacks who don't play sports, sing or make you laugh are worthless to United States society apparently. Look at how O.J. Simpson was acquitted of a double murder and Bill Cosby is just now being sued for sexual assault.

[The UK in Exile]

http://www.ny1.com/content/news/219811/breaking--grand-jury-decides-not-to-indict-officer-in-eric-garner-case/

What the fuck.

Police officers could murder Jesus and people would justify it by talking about how much time he spent hanging out with the devil. I just can't fucking believe this. A man was killed on camera while screaming for help, the coroner ruled it a homicide, a jury looked at it and said "nah, there's no case here."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Polic ... scar_Grant

In the rare case that the offence is so egregious it actually gets to trial, the sentence is a slap on the wrist.

[Maineiacs]

Perhaps we, as a nation, should consider not having it look as though law enforcement has declared open season on minorities.

Just a thought.

[Gauthier]

Perhaps we, as a nation, should consider not having it look as though law enforcement has declared open season on minorities.

Just a thought.

When Dawon Gore gets convicted and put away for a long time, that's all most non-whites are going to think.

[United Marxist Nations]

http://www.ny1.com/content/news/219811/breaking--grand-jury-decides-not-to-indict-officer-in-eric-garner-case/

What the fuck.

Yeah, even the people on Fox News' "The Five" (aka, the most stereotypically Fox News show on Fox News) said that there should have been an indictment.

[Occupied Deutschland]

http://www.ny1.com/content/news/219811/breaking--grand-jury-decides-not-to-indict-officer-in-eric-garner-case/

What the fuck.

Yeah, even the people on Fox News' "The Five" (aka, the most stereotypically Fox News show on Fox News) said that there should have been an indictment.

Michael Savage said there should have been an indictment.

Michael-fucking-Savage. Who's like a bastard-baby of Hannity and Alex Jones.

Fuck, Sean Hannity was skeptical as well, though I'm unsure if he came out and said there should have been an indictment.

There is a serious problem when even these folks are noticing this shit. Particularly when grand jury indictments are oft regarded as easy things to get (I forget where I heard it but somebody said something along the lines of 'I could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich').

[Margno]

So it's become patently obvious that quite a few of our police departments are corrupt.
What are we gonna do about it?

[Seangoli]

http://www.ny1.com/content/news/219811/breaking--grand-jury-decides-not-to-indict-officer-in-eric-garner-case/

What the fuck.

I'm one to be heavily skeptical of most accusations of police brutality, and even I'm wondering how the fuck they couldn't justify an indictment in this case. Choke holds have been for a very long time considered absolutely inappropriate for detaining a person, to the point where they are (And have been for quite some time) illegal for use in practically every jurisdiction. His statement that it was how he was trained is utter bullshit, as I would really like to see who taught him that so they are fired immediately. It's also not even an excuse. "I didn't know better!" is not a valid legal argument.

[Seangoli]

Yeah, even the people on Fox News' "The Five" (aka, the most stereotypically Fox News show on Fox News) said that there should have been an indictment.

Michael Savage said there should have been an indictment.

Michael-fucking-Savage. Who's like a bastard-baby of Hannity and Alex Jones.

Fuck, Sean Hannity was skeptical as well, though I'm unsure if he came out and said there should have been an indictment.

There is a serious problem when even these folks are noticing this shit. Particularly when grand jury indictments are oft regarded as easy things to get (I forget where I heard it but somebody said something along the lines of 'I could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich').

They are generally easy to reach an indictment (Around 98% or so indictment rate), except when it involves an officer, which plummets to almost a 0% indictment rate in some jurisdictions. It is considered exceedingly difficult to indict an officer, even if they Prosecution *tries* to do so.

[United Marxist Nations]

Yeah, even the people on Fox News' "The Five" (aka, the most stereotypically Fox News show on Fox News) said that there should have been an indictment.

Michael Savage said there should have been an indictment.

Michael-fucking-Savage. Who's like a bastard-baby of Hannity and Alex Jones.

Fuck, Sean Hannity was skeptical as well, though I'm unsure if he came out and said there should have been an indictment.

There is a serious problem when even these folks are noticing this shit. Particularly when grand jury indictments are oft regarded as easy things to get (I forget where I heard it but somebody said something along the lines of 'I could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich').

Yeah, I know that Greta van something (she was their guest) said that they should release all the information, because she said that, with the video, not getting an indictment for something would have to require something really convincing or immense bias. It would definitely seem to be immense bias, as the necessary force was far below what was applied.

[The Cobalt Sky]

So it's become patently obvious that quite a few of our police departments are corrupt.
What are we gonna do about it?

Better police screening? But when a system is morally bankrupt, you can't really rely on it to fix itself. So maybe by an outside force that we can rely on, but I can't think of one right now.

[Myrensis]

They are generally easy to reach an indictment (Around 98% or so indictment rate), except when it involves an officer, which plummets to almost a 0% indictment rate in some jurisdictions. It is considered exceedingly difficult to indict an officer, even if they Prosecution *tries* to do so.

It's basically that combined with racial inequities in the justice system that creates the anger, and then the Ferguson Prosecution teams blatant desire to avoid an indictment just inflames things further. Given the way the Grand Jury was conducted, it's very hard to interpet McCullochs decision to release everything to the public as anything other than a big 'Fuck you' to the community.

It really seems like there ought to be special prosecutors for trying cases against cops. It seems like an inevitable conflict of interest to have the same Prosecutor who depends on the police to help him make cases (and therefore his career), be responsible for trying those police when they do something wrong. It won't solve the problem of people being reluctant to indict police, but it will mean at least that their failure to get an indictment is honest.

[Divitaen]

They are generally easy to reach an indictment (Around 98% or so indictment rate), except when it involves an officer, which plummets to almost a 0% indictment rate in some jurisdictions. It is considered exceedingly difficult to indict an officer, even if they Prosecution *tries* to do so.

It's basically that combined with racial inequities in the justice system that creates the anger, and then the Ferguson Prosecution teams blatant desire to avoid an indictment just inflames things further. Given the way the Grand Jury was conducted, it's very hard to interpet McCullochs decision to release everything to the public as anything other than a big 'Fuck you' to the community.

It really seems like there ought to be special prosecutors for trying cases against cops. It seems like an inevitable conflict of interest to have the same Prosecutor who depends on the police to help him make cases (and therefore his career), be responsible for trying those police when they do something wrong. It won't solve the problem of people being reluctant to indict police, but it will mean at least that their failure to get an indictment is honest.

Would that make a huge difference though? It seems like the issue is highly endemic in the justice system. Police officers in general keep getting off with slaps on the wrists (except when African-American officers kill white men), even in cases like Kelly Thomas who wasn't an African-American, and of course let's not forget the officers who assaulted Rodney King, Amadou Diallou and Jonathan Ferrell. Heck, even in the case of Oscar Grant the officer who killed got two years in jail only after the DOJ intervened in the face of massive public pressure, and even then he got off on fucking parole. Courts and prosecutors are so racially-biased in cases like this, I'm thinking maybe the only solution is to expand the DOJ and have them intervene and open civil rights investigations more often in racist state courts.

[Nazi Flower Power]

http://www.ny1.com/content/news/219811/breaking--grand-jury-decides-not-to-indict-officer-in-eric-garner-case/

What the fuck.

Police officers could murder Jesus and people would justify it by talking about how much time he spent hanging out with the devil. I just can't fucking believe this. A man was killed on camera while screaming for help, the coroner ruled it a homicide, a jury looked at it and said "nah, there's no case here."

Coroners use "homicide" to mean any death that was caused by another person, even if it was justified.

I would be curious about how the jury reached their decision, though. In the Brown case, I heard that the jury was not given the correct instructions. If you give jurors the wrong instructions about what's legal and what's not, then of course you will get screwy rulings. I don't know if there was anything like that in the Garner case, but it is worth looking into.

[Nazi Flower Power]

It's basically that combined with racial inequities in the justice system that creates the anger, and then the Ferguson Prosecution teams blatant desire to avoid an indictment just inflames things further. Given the way the Grand Jury was conducted, it's very hard to interpet McCullochs decision to release everything to the public as anything other than a big 'Fuck you' to the community.

It really seems like there ought to be special prosecutors for trying cases against cops. It seems like an inevitable conflict of interest to have the same Prosecutor who depends on the police to help him make cases (and therefore his career), be responsible for trying those police when they do something wrong. It won't solve the problem of people being reluctant to indict police, but it will mean at least that their failure to get an indictment is honest.

Would that make a huge difference though? It seems like the issue is highly endemic in the justice system. Police officers in general keep getting off with slaps on the wrists (except when African-American officers kill white men), even in cases like Kelly Thomas who wasn't an African-American, and of course let's not forget the officers who assaulted Rodney King, Amadou Diallou and Jonathan Ferrell. Heck, even in the case of Oscar Grant the officer who killed got two years in jail only after the DOJ intervened in the face of massive public pressure, and even then he got off on fucking parole. Courts and prosecutors are so racially-biased in cases like this, I'm thinking maybe the only solution is to expand the DOJ and have them intervene and open civil rights investigations more often in racist state courts.

I would support DOJ intervention where the local courts are not doing their job properly.

[Myrensis]

I would be curious about how the jury reached their decision, though. In the Brown case, I heard that the jury was not given the correct instructions. If you give jurors the wrong instructions about what's legal and what's not, then of course you will get screwy rulings. I don't know if there was anything like that in the Garner case, but it is worth looking into.

In the Brown case the Prosecutor went out of his way to avoid indictment. Didn't even bother to tell the Grand Jury what charge they should be considering, declined to cross examine Wilson or witnesses who accounts matched up with his, while grilling their own witnesses who contradicted him for inconsistencies and errors, citing a Missouri law regarding an officers ability to use force on a fleeing suspect that had been struck down by the Supreme Court thirty years ago, and waiting until long after Wilson had testified to correct themselves.

The fact that it's all ready incredibly difficult to get an indictment against law enforcement officers even when you want to just makes it worse, they went out of their way to avoid even the slight chance that the Grand Jury would indict.

[Divitaen]

Would that make a huge difference though? It seems like the issue is highly endemic in the justice system. Police officers in general keep getting off with slaps on the wrists (except when African-American officers kill white men), even in cases like Kelly Thomas who wasn't an African-American, and of course let's not forget the officers who assaulted Rodney King, Amadou Diallou and Jonathan Ferrell. Heck, even in the case of Oscar Grant the officer who killed got two years in jail only after the DOJ intervened in the face of massive public pressure, and even then he got off on fucking parole. Courts and prosecutors are so racially-biased in cases like this, I'm thinking maybe the only solution is to expand the DOJ and have them intervene and open civil rights investigations more often in racist state courts.

I would support DOJ intervention where the local courts are not doing their job properly.

LOL, which is basically almost every time a white cop kills an unarmed African-American.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

http://www.ny1.com/content/news/219811/breaking--grand-jury-decides-not-to-indict-officer-in-eric-garner-case/

What the fuck.

Now that's bullshit. Police should be trained to perform generally safe immobilization techniques. From the video it looks almost indefensible. It's not an extreme situation where you're fighting for your life, it's just some big dude that is unarmed and there's a shitload of cops there too.

How is this appealed?

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Police officers could murder Jesus and people would justify it by talking about how much time he spent hanging out with the devil.

Unless the police officer is black. See Dawon Gore.

I just can't fucking believe this. A man was killed on camera while screaming for help, the coroner ruled it a homicide, a jury looked at it and said "nah, there's no case here."

Because blacks who don't play sports, sing or make you laugh are worthless to United States society apparently. Look at how O.J. Simpson was acquitted of a double murder and Bill Cosby is just now being sued for sexual assault.

Right, that's obviously evidence of blacks being worthless to the United States society *nod*

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

It's basically that combined with racial inequities in the justice system that creates the anger, and then the Ferguson Prosecution teams blatant desire to avoid an indictment just inflames things further. Given the way the Grand Jury was conducted, it's very hard to interpet McCullochs decision to release everything to the public as anything other than a big 'Fuck you' to the community.

It really seems like there ought to be special prosecutors for trying cases against cops. It seems like an inevitable conflict of interest to have the same Prosecutor who depends on the police to help him make cases (and therefore his career), be responsible for trying those police when they do something wrong. It won't solve the problem of people being reluctant to indict police, but it will mean at least that their failure to get an indictment is honest.

Would that make a huge difference though? It seems like the issue is highly endemic in the justice system. Police officers in general keep getting off with slaps on the wrists (except when African-American officers kill white men), even in cases like Kelly Thomas who wasn't an African-American, and of course let's not forget the officers who assaulted Rodney King, Amadou Diallou and Jonathan Ferrell. Heck, even in the case of Oscar Grant the officer who killed got two years in jail only after the DOJ intervened in the face of massive public pressure, and even then he got off on fucking parole. Courts and prosecutors are so racially-biased in cases like this, I'm thinking maybe the only solution is to expand the DOJ and have them intervene and open civil rights investigations more often in racist state courts.

So black cops get convicted /indicted for alleged misconduct at a higher rate than their white colleagues? Do source this.

[England-Ireland]

not according to the majority of witnesses.

and even if he was HE WAS UNARMED.[/quote]

Most of who changed there story or admitted they did not really see what happened.

Him being unarmed would have been a great unknown for the officer. He had been attacked was pursuing a fleeing suspect and that suspect "charged" him. Like I said before Browns brains were gone long before that bullet put them on the pavement.

it is illegal to shoot at a fleeing unarmed suspect. mr brown wasn't a super villain. he posed no threat to officer Wilson. he turned because he was being shot at. he was surrendering when he was shot. officer Wilson was in some kind of crazy state where brown became a "demon" in his mind.

this gives more than enough reason to indict Wilson for some kind of involuntary manslaughter and then leave the trial jury to decide whether or not he is guilty of that.


micheal brown was not listening to officer wilson wilson was only doing his job he wasnt fleeing when will anyone get this

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Proving that police brutality and corruption exists and they often get away with it =/= proving the "racism!!!11" conclusions that some have reached apparently.

Again, is there conclusive, statistical evidence of e.g. cases of misconduct against whites being prosecuted any "better"?

[The Cobalt Sky]

Unless the police officer is black. See Dawon Gore.



Because blacks who don't play sports, sing or make you laugh are worthless to United States society apparently. Look at how O.J. Simpson was acquitted of a double murder and Bill Cosby is just now being sued for sexual assault.

Right, that's obviously evidence of blacks being worthless to the United States society *nod*

These statistics would say that we're very often disenfranchised.
U.S. Racial makeup:
http://www.ipspr.sc.edu/scip/demographics/racial3.gif
U.S. Prison racial makeup:
http://static.ijreview.com/wp-content/u ... risons.jpg

Also,
http://mic.com/articles/96452/one-troub ... problem-is

[Pantokrators]

The protestors are not peacefull. They are behaving as if they are in a Subsaharan Africa fighting another tribe.