Ferguson Megathread

[The UK in Exile]

Irrelevant. He was found 150 feet from the officers car. He was running away.

all the more evidence he wasn't shot at from the back. If a cop really wanted to shoot someone running away from them and that someone started running away from essentially 0 feet, they wouldn't get to 150 feet.

what if i told you someone that is running away can turn around and attack?

I'd take the red pill please Morpheus.

So running away is threatening behaviour? presumably standing still is also threatening? or lying down?

[Cymrea]

The coroner's report is pretty relevant.

So Officer Wilson was lying when he said that brown ran from the initial confrontation?

So Browns body teleported 150 from the point at which the first shot was fired to the last?

If he was killed while running away the wounds would be in Brown's back. But the coroner's report shows Michael Brown died from gunshot wounds to the head and chest at close range. However else you want to spin the subjective narrative, that is the objective evidence.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Irrelevant. He was found 150 feet from the officers car. He was running away.

all the more evidence he wasn't shot at from the back. If a cop really wanted to shoot someone running away from them and that someone started running away from essentially 0 feet, they wouldn't get to 150 feet.

what if i told you someone that is running away can turn around and attack?

No!
Because that would explain why Brown got shot from the front and it would also explain the grand jury's decision!
Impossible!

[The UK in Exile]

So Officer Wilson was lying when he said that brown ran from the initial confrontation?

So Browns body teleported 150 from the point at which the first shot was fired to the last?

If he was killed while running away the wounds would be in Brown's back. But the coroner's report shows Michael Brown died from gunshot wounds to the head and chest at close range. However else you want to spin the subjective narrative, that is the objective evidence.

So he was definitely running away at some point then?

[Cymrea]

If he was killed while running away the wounds would be in Brown's back. But the coroner's report shows Michael Brown died from gunshot wounds to the head and chest at close range. However else you want to spin the subjective narrative, that is the objective evidence.

So he was definitely running away at some point then?

That, I don't know. And it sounds like you don't know either. In all fairness, neither of us could possibly know unless we were there and/or there was video footage. In fact, I'm a little surprised there isn't a half dozen cell phone videos on the ol' YouTubez.

But what we do know, via the post-mortem examination, is what killed Brown and that it can not have physically happened while running away.

[The UK in Exile]

So he was definitely running away at some point then?

That, I don't know. And it sounds like you don't know either. In all fairness, neither of us could possibly know unless we were there and/or there was video footage. In fact, I'm a little surprised there isn't a half dozen cell phone videos on the ol' YouTubez.

But what we do know, via the post-mortem examination, is what killed Brown and that it can not have physically happened while running away.

So its a mystery how Michael Brown managed to travel 150 feet from the scene of the initial confrontation.

every witness including the man who shot him says he ran, but can anyone really be sure?

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

all the more evidence he wasn't shot at from the back. If a cop really wanted to shoot someone running away from them and that someone started running away from essentially 0 feet, they wouldn't get to 150 feet.

what if i told you someone that is running away can turn around and attack?

I'd take the red pill please Morpheus.

So running away is threatening behaviour? presumably standing still is also threatening? or lying down?

I must congratulate you on your outstanding reading comprehension.

Just because he had been running away does not mean he was shot at when running away. You're saying it as if being found 150 feet from the cop's car = getting shot at whilst running.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

If he was killed while running away the wounds would be in Brown's back. But the coroner's report shows Michael Brown died from gunshot wounds to the head and chest at close range. However else you want to spin the subjective narrative, that is the objective evidence.

So he was definitely running away at some point then?

how does running away at a point in time in the incident somehow automatically negate or somehow excuse an attack on the cop?

[The UK in Exile]

I'd take the red pill please Morpheus.

So running away is threatening behaviour? presumably standing still is also threatening? or lying down?

I must congratulate you on your outstanding reading comprehension.

Just because he had been running away does not mean he was shot at when running away. You're saying it as if being found 150 feet from the cop's car = getting shot at whilst running.

No but 12 eyewitnesses will testify that he was. which is backed by the physical evidence, he was found some distance from the confrontation, twelve shots were fired and six hit him. which leaves six shots that could have been fired at his back. which would explain why he turned round and attempted to surrender, as 11 witnesses will also testify to.

All this is completely consistent with the physical evidence.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So he was definitely running away at some point then?

how does running away at a point in time in the incident somehow automatically negate or somehow excuse an attack on the cop?

Because clearly if I assault you then run away I'm innocent.

[The UK in Exile]

So he was definitely running away at some point then?

how does running away at a point in time in the incident somehow automatically negate or somehow excuse an attack on the cop?

Perhaps he was scared the cop was going to kill him.

[The UK in Exile]

how does running away at a point in time in the incident somehow automatically negate or somehow excuse an attack on the cop?

Because clearly if I assault you then run away I'm innocent.

Your not allowed to shoot fleeing suspects.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Because clearly if I assault you then run away I'm innocent.

Your not allowed to shoot fleeing suspects.

I guess it's a good thing he never shot a fleeing suspect then, he died from shots to the head and chest at a close range.

[The UK in Exile]

Your not allowed to shoot fleeing suspects.

I guess it's a good thing he never shot a fleeing suspect then, he died from shots to the head and chest at a close range.

your not allowed to shoot at fleeing suspects either.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I guess it's a good thing he never shot a fleeing suspect then, he died from shots to the head and chest at a close range.

your not allowed to shoot at fleeing suspects either.

Really? I seem to recall it's a good way of scaring someone enough to make them stop, unless you can pull up some sources to verify that I'm gonna call bullshit. Cops shoot at fleeing suspects all the time it seems like.

[The UK in Exile]

your not allowed to shoot at fleeing suspects either.

Really? I seem to recall it's a good way of scaring someone enough to make them stop, unless you can pull up some sources to verify that I'm gonna call bullshit. Cops shoot at fleeing suspects all the time it seems like.

http://www.moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/stath ... 00461.html

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

how does running away at a point in time in the incident somehow automatically negate or somehow excuse an attack on the cop?

Perhaps he was scared the cop was going to kill him.

don't backpedal now.

i was not referring to the attack at the car but the later attack in which brown was shot.

Brown and Johnson fled and Johnson hid behind a car.[36] Wilson got out of the vehicle and pursued Brown. Blood on the ground supports statements that Brown continued to move closer toward Wilson after being hit by a number of bullets.[37] At some point, Wilson fired his gun again, with at least six shots striking Brown in the front,[18] fatally wounding him. Brown was unarmed.[35][38]

Less than 90 seconds passed from the time Wilson encountered Brown to the time of Brown's death.[7][39]

Wikipedia + http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/us/ferguson-missouri-town-under-siege-after-police-shooting.html

so let me get this straight. You're running away from a cop, getting shot at, then finally decide to give up and turn around.. and you're shot. Somehow after you're shot or while being shot you decide to "give up even more" and move towards the cop???

[Washington Resistance Army]

Really? I seem to recall it's a good way of scaring someone enough to make them stop, unless you can pull up some sources to verify that I'm gonna call bullshit. Cops shoot at fleeing suspects all the time it seems like.

http://www.moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/stath ... 00461.html

Based on that, Wilson was in the right because what happened complies with section 2-c. Wilson believed his life was in danger as he stated multiple times, thus he was justified in using deadly force.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

As far as the thumb graze is concerned, if this is it, it can be easily observed that it's located on the inside of the lower thumb/palm. Not inconsistent with a raised fist.

[Cymrea]

As far as the thumb graze is concerned, if this is it, it can be easily observed that it's located on the inside of the lower thumb/palm. Not inconsistent with a raised fist.

Nor with a hand grabbing for the gun.

[The UK in Exile]

Perhaps he was scared the cop was going to kill him.

don't backpedal now.

i was not referring to the attack at the car but the later attack in which brown was shot.

Brown and Johnson fled and Johnson hid behind a car.[36] Wilson got out of the vehicle and pursued Brown. Blood on the ground supports statements that Brown continued to move closer toward Wilson after being hit by a number of bullets.[37] At some point, Wilson fired his gun again, with at least six shots striking Brown in the front,[18] fatally wounding him. Brown was unarmed.[35][38]

Less than 90 seconds passed from the time Wilson encountered Brown to the time of Brown's death.[7][39]

Wikipedia + http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/us/ferguson-missouri-town-under-siege-after-police-shooting.html

so let me get this straight. You're running away from a cop, getting shot at, then finally decide to give up and turn around.. and you're shot. Somehow after you're shot or while being shot you decide to "give up even more" and move towards the cop???

He stumbles forward after he's been hit.

[The UK in Exile]

http://www.moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/stath ... 00461.html

Based on that, Wilson was in the right because what happened complies with section 2-c. Wilson believed his life was in danger as he stated multiple times, thus he was justified in using deadly force.

Not if he shot at him whilst he was running.

Which is what we were discussing.

[Cymrea]

Based on that, Wilson was in the right because what happened complies with section 2-c. Wilson believed his life was in danger as he stated multiple times, thus he was justified in using deadly force.

Not if he shot at him whilst he was running.

Which is what we were discussing.

There is zero evidence that Wilson shot at Brown running away. There IS conclusive evidence Brown was close and facing Wilson when he was shot.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Based on that, Wilson was in the right because what happened complies with section 2-c. Wilson believed his life was in danger as he stated multiple times, thus he was justified in using deadly force.

Not if he shot at him whilst he was running.

Which is what we were discussing.

Section 2-a supports it, he assaulted an officer which is a felony. Thus enabling deadly force to be used under that law.

[Greed and Death]

So Officer Wilson was lying when he said that brown ran from the initial confrontation?

So Browns body teleported 150 from the point at which the first shot was fired to the last?

If he was killed while running away the wounds would be in Brown's back. But the coroner's report shows Michael Brown died from gunshot wounds to the head and chest at close range. However else you want to spin the subjective narrative, that is the objective evidence.

which the physical evidence supported Brown's blood was some 25 feet behind where his body fell so at some point he did turn around and closed distance with the officer.