Ferguson Megathread

[Inyourfaceistan]

The evidence is conclusively behind Brown. I suggest ylh read all of it, it's quite interesting.

I have read it and I have determined the evidence is conclusively in favor of Wilson.

But neither of us are on the grand jury.
So that settles that.

[The UK in Exile]

He was defending himself against someone running away from him. Seems legit. As was said multiple times, the testimony by Wilson and the police has been wildly inconsistant. Generally if one person can't keep a story straight you know they are either lying or are unsure. When the police can't keep their story straight it's a cover up. I mean who can forget the police announcing that Brown robbed a store only to have the store owner refute that and point out he never phoned in a robbery and released video proof that he was not robbed. Why in the hell should he have to prove he wasn't robbed in the first place? And why would the police say it was a robbery if no robbery had even been called in?

The evidence is conclusively behind Brown. I suggest ylh read all of it, it's quite interesting.

The coroner's report shows Brown was shot in the chest at close range. The officer was one hell of a shot to manage that while Brown was running away. And with all those tremendously reliable witnesseses claiming the cop shot him as he ran.

Wildly inconsistent witness testimony - if they can't keep their stories straight, what does that indicate? - most of which is proven false with, you know, evidence and stuff. Evidence, instead of a "fuck the police" conspiracy mentality.

Confusion is the hallmark of truth, and consistency the result of a well practiced lie.

[Islamic State of UKIP]

There is physical evidence to support that Brown was shot while facing the officer, and many witnesses have already been proven unreliable.

And other witnesses have supported Wilson's story.

I mean there is physical evidence and eyewitness testimony on Wilson's side. There is just more eyewitness testimony on Brown's side.

There were six missed shots. Wilson obviously wasn't a good shot by what his supporters have said so it's safe to assume he missed when Brown was running away until her turned around for the famous "Don't Shoot" bit where Brown executed him.

[Jamzmania]

If the evidence was so in favor of Brown, how do you explain the Grand Jury's decision not to indict? Those jurors must have either been extremely racist or mentally incapable.

You need 9 of 12 jurors to indict someone. The statement from the grand jury sounds as if the majority wanted an indictment but 4 jurors or so did not want to indict him. The statement literally says that Wilson was repsonsible for the "death and murder of Michael Brown". Murder is not a word you use if there is no belief a crime took place.

Again, read the evidence.

If you could provide the Grand Jury statement transcript that shows that, that would be wonderful.

[Islamic State of UKIP]

The evidence is conclusively behind Brown. I suggest ylh read all of it, it's quite interesting.

I have read it and I have determined the evidence is conclusively in favor of Wilson.

But neither of us are on the grand jury.
So that settles that.

I highly doubt you have. Judging by the mass amount of errors you have made regarding the facts and evidence...

I am the grand jury. If I wanted to I could go bring justice to Wilson and the department. But I'm not a murderer like Wilson so I wouldn't do that because murder, especially in cold blood, is wrong

[Islamic State of UKIP]

You need 9 of 12 jurors to indict someone. The statement from the grand jury sounds as if the majority wanted an indictment but 4 jurors or so did not want to indict him. The statement literally says that Wilson was repsonsible for the "death and murder of Michael Brown". Murder is not a word you use if there is no belief a crime took place.

Again, read the evidence.

If you could provide the Grand Jury statement transcript that shows that, that would be wonderful.

It's with all the other evidence the department released. If you haven't read it then why are you commenting on the topic?

[Cymrea]

I am the grand jury. If I wanted to I could go bring justice to Wilson and the department. But I'm not a murderer like Wilson so I wouldn't do that because murder, especially in cold blood, is wrong

Yeah, no. You're not the grand jury, not even a little bit. And you mislabel justice with vengeance, particularly since you state in your own words that you could "bring justice" but that you're "not a murderer". Justice = murder? Damages your obejectivity here, if you claim to even have any.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

oh wow, really?



So essentially it's 6-1(defendant) so the word of 5 against the word of another 5?

plus the 12 people who say he fired on him whilst running away.

which are.. ?

The only reasonable alternative to lethal force in SOME lethal force situations is a Taser, which from what I understand he wasn't carrying. So assuming he was in fact defending his life or against grave bodily harm what he did was not only justifiable, there was literally no effective "notch to go down" available at the moment.

Mace or Baton.

Mace or Baton in lethal force situations

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

He was defending himself against someone that he felt was significantly more powerful than him and was in fear of being knocked unconscious. In that situation, I'd have gone with the gun than the less-than-sure methods of removing the threat.

Well unless your applying in St Louis I'd leave it off your police application form.

obviously fearing to get knocked unconscious by a larger/more powerful individual is a completely illegitimate "fear". one must take their punches like a man and live with the consequences of getting knocked out unconscious in that situation, like a man. esp. if they want to apply to be a cop.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Then why would the bullet entry wounds prove he was facing officer Wilson when he was shot and killed?

Because hitting a target that is moving away from you is harder than hitting a target that is stopped or moving towards you.

How about warning shots?

[The UK in Exile]

plus the 12 people who say he fired on him whilst running away.



Mace or Baton.

Mace or Baton in lethal force situations

Its not a lethal force situation. the only one using lethal force is the police officer.

[Jamzmania]

If you could provide the Grand Jury statement transcript that shows that, that would be wonderful.

It's with all the other evidence the department released. If you haven't read it then why are you commenting on the topic?

So do you have the transcript or not?

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

There is absolutely no physical evidence to support that Wilson shot at Brown while he was running away.

There is a bullet graze going on his thumb going outwards. At the very least he was backing away. Cut and dry stuff there

source plox

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Mace or Baton in lethal force situations

Its not a lethal force situation. the only one using lethal force is the police officer.

that's not for you to decide I'm afraid.

imminent risk of getting knocked unconscious is very much a reason for using lethal force because assuming it would happen the cop would have no control of what would ensue.

[The UK in Exile]

Its not a lethal force situation. the only one using lethal force is the police officer.

that's not for you to decide I'm afraid.

imminent risk of getting knocked unconscious is very much a reason for using lethal force because assuming it would happen the cop would have no control of what would ensue.

how imminent is the risk of getting knocked out by someone who is running away?

Why then did the officer reach for both his baton AND his mace when in the car?

[Inyourfaceistan]

I have read it and I have determined the evidence is conclusively in favor of Wilson.

But neither of us are on the grand jury.
So that settles that.

I highly doubt you have. Judging by the mass amount of errors you have made regarding the facts and evidence...

I highly doubt you have read the evidence, judging by the mass of errors you have made regarding the facts and evidence.
See how unsourced statements work?

I am the grand jury. If I wanted to I could go bring justice to Wilson and the department.

No you couldn't. If your insinuating you could go kill officer Wilson among other cops then you would likely just get shot by more people with more firepower and the training to use it.

But I'm not a murderer like Wilson so I wouldn't do that because murder, especially in cold blood, is wrong

Wrong. The grand jury found that no crime was committed.
Wilson has legally been found to be justified in this unfortunate event.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

that's not for you to decide I'm afraid.

imminent risk of getting knocked unconscious is very much a reason for using lethal force because assuming it would happen the cop would have no control of what would ensue.

how imminent is the risk of getting knocked out by someone who is running away?

keep on using that factoid of yours.

[The UK in Exile]

how imminent is the risk of getting knocked out by someone who is running away?

keep on using that factoid of yours.

Why did the officer reach for both his baton AND his mace when he was being punched in the car?

[Cymrea]

how imminent is the risk of getting knocked out by someone who is running away?

He wasn't running away. Someone running away doesn't get shot in the chest. Nor does someone shot in the chest tend to run away. I can attest to that personally.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

I highly doubt you have. Judging by the mass amount of errors you have made regarding the facts and evidence...

I highly doubt you have read the evidence, judging by the mass of errors you have made regarding the facts and evidence.
See how unsourced statements work?

I am the grand jury. If I wanted to I could go bring justice to Wilson and the department.

No you couldn't. If your insinuating you could go kill officer Wilson among other cops then you would likely just get shot by more people with more firepower and the training to use it.

But I'm not a murderer like Wilson so I wouldn't do that because murder, especially in cold blood, is wrong

Wrong. The grand jury found that no crime was committed.
Wilson has legally been found to be justified in this unfortunate event.

you know what happens to cop killers?

that's what happens to cop killers

[The UK in Exile]

how imminent is the risk of getting knocked out by someone who is running away?

Someone running away doesn't get shot in the chest.

Irrelevant. He was found 150 feet from the officers car. He was running away.

[Cymrea]

Someone running away doesn't get shot in the chest.

Irrelevant. He was found 150 feet from the officers car. He was running away.

The coroner's report is pretty relevant.

[The UK in Exile]

Irrelevant. He was found 150 feet from the officers car. He was running away.

The coroner's report is pretty relevant.

So Officer Wilson was lying when he said that brown ran from the initial confrontation?

So Browns body teleported 150 from the point at which the first shot was fired to the last?

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Someone running away doesn't get shot in the chest.

Irrelevant. He was found 150 feet from the officers car. He was running away.

all the more evidence he wasn't shot at from the back. If a cop really wanted to shoot someone running away from them and that someone started running away from essentially 0 feet, they wouldn't get to 150 feet.

what if i told you someone that is running away can turn around and attack?

[Galloism]

The coroner's report is pretty relevant.

So Officer Wilson was lying when he said that brown ran from the initial confrontation?

So Browns body teleported 150 from the point at which the first shot was fired to the last?

I'd be afraid for my life if my foe could teleport.