Ferguson Megathread

[Murkwood]

Secondly, how do you know he is guilty? Only the Grand Jury can decide.

Honestly if he was innocent, would they drag the issue so much?

Neither of us can know.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

And he was suppose to magically know the gender of your friend?

I consistently used "they" as a singular pronoun.

Quit trying to pick fights over non issues, you tend to do that a lot.

If that is important enough to them for that having been a reason for a fight between us, I can't just let a stranger do that without mention.

Kissu.

[Harpers Ferry]

Well you shouldn't. Because that is a gross generalization and you should realize that. I fail to see how a random guy in Arkansas is suddenly infalliable in his statements about us.

Misgendering is ugly, mmkay?

Because I am supposed to know their gender and diliberately called them. The opposite pronoun in spite. you know what else is ugly? Making wild accusations without proof, especially about an entire population based on one person's unfounded observation.

[Blazedtown]

And he was suppose to magically know the gender of your friend?

I consistently used "they" as a singular pronoun.

Quit trying to pick fights over non issues, you tend to do that a lot.

If that is important enough to them for that having been a reason for a fight between us, I can't just let a stranger do that without mention.

Kissu.

I would still say he in general even I didn't know. Its a fucking non issue. Take a couple of those twists out of your panties.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Because I am supposed to know their gender and diliberately called them. The opposite pronoun in spite. you know what else is ugly? Making wild accusations without proof, especially about an entire population based on one person's unfounded observation.

I know for a fact none of what they say about race or racism is unfounded, now bye.

I already asked for sauce, but I'm confident it will shine.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

I would still say he in general even I didn't know. Its a fucking non issue. Take a couple of those twists out of your panties.

My God, why so bashful? I just made it clear that "he" is not a choice pronoun after it wasn't implicitly understood. Chill.

[Harpers Ferry]

Because I am supposed to know their gender and diliberately called them. The opposite pronoun in spite. you know what else is ugly? Making wild accusations without proof, especially about an entire population based on one person's unfounded observation.

I know for a fact none of what they say about race or racism is unfounded, now bye.

I already asked for sauce, but I'm confident it will shine.

You are unable to find one yourself? Call me crazy but before making such rash conclusions about 9 million people I tend to need more hard facts and stats than "some person in Arkansas said so."

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

You are unable to find one yourself? Call me crazy but before making such rash conclusions about 9 million people I tend to need more hard facts and stats than "some person in Arkansas said so."

By knowing that anti-black sentiment in the US isn't an isolated problem? By knowing the police forces treat this populace as some sort of pester to their action? By knowing how the overrepresentation of black males in prisons is an institutional issue?

I didn't even say the State has this in a general fashion, I just said many people still bear pre-civil rights-like resentment against African-Americans. Some of them are institutionally powerful. How is that offensive?

[Wolfenia]

Secondly, how do you know he is guilty? Only the Grand Jury can decide.

Honestly if he was innocent, would they drag the issue so much?

Yes, it doesn't matter what happened, if people have an opinion that the cop is guilty then they may act accordingly.

[Harpers Ferry]

You are unable to find one yourself? Call me crazy but before making such rash conclusions about 9 million people I tend to need more hard facts and stats than "some person in Arkansas said so."

By knowing that anti-black sentiment in the US isn't an isolated problem? By knowing the police forces treat this populace as some sort of pester to their action? By knowing how the overrepresentation of black males in prisons is an institutional issue?

I didn't even say the State has this in a general fashion, I just said many people still bear pre-civil rights-like resentment against African-Americans. Some of them are institutionally powerful. How is that offensive?

Because they are all accusations without proof, and a fallicious generalization about us.it would be like me telling you most Brazilians have the average intelligence of 4 year olds because a guy in Uruguay said so. See how it can get a little touchy? Provide stats confirming all you have claimed and I will have no issue believing you.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Because they are all accusations without proof, and a fallicious generalization about us.it would be like me telling you most Brazilians have the average intelligence of 4 year olds because a guy in Uruguay said so. See how it can get a little touchy?

No. Honestly I couldn't care less, specially if his frustration was based in a legitimate sentiment about something my culture has that is pervasively problematic.

[Harpers Ferry]

Because they are all accusations without proof, and a fallicious generalization about us.it would be like me telling you most Brazilians have the average intelligence of 4 year olds because a guy in Uruguay said so. See how it can get a little touchy?

No. Honestly I couldn't care less, specially if his frustration was based in a legitimate sentiment about something my culture has that is pervasively problematic.

You stated that most of us in Missouri are a bunch of backwoods despisers of African Americans stuck in the 1960s, that the cop is without a doubt guilty and without a doubt the Saint Louis police department is corrupt and covering up the ordeal all without any evidence. These are not legitimate statements. They are claims without confirming citations.

[Conserative Morality]

Honestly if he was innocent, would they drag the issue so much?

That's definitely not a good attitude to take to trials.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Honestly if he was innocent, would they drag the issue so much?

That's definitely not a good attitude to take to trials.

There is plenty of people to empathize with people like these. Where is the empathy with black youth?

Reminding you that I'm from a country that had a 30% decrease of murders against white youth and 30% increase of murders against non-white youth since 2002 because of a very similar institution, in a metro area with maybe the most truculent police. So no, excuse me but I've seen and known too much domestically to really in any way want to minimally entertain defense of police forces with such a historic.

[Murkwood]

That's definitely not a good attitude to take to trials.

There is plenty of people to empathize with people like these. Where is the empathy with black youth?

Reminding you that I'm from a country that had a 30% decrease of murders against white youth and 30% increase of murders against non-white youth since 2002 because of a very similar institution, in a metro area with maybe the most truculent police. So no, excuse me but I've seen and known too much domestically to really in any way want to minimally entertain defense of police forces with such a historic.

We aren't asking you to defend him. We are asking you not to convict him.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

We aren't asking you to defend him. We are asking you not to convict him.

And go against all the witnesses and evidence? The dude was at the very least unreasonably trigger happy.

[Murkwood]

We aren't asking you to defend him. We are asking you not to convict him.

And go against all the witnesses and evidence? The dude was at the very least unreasonably trigger happy.

You aren't on the Grand Jury, so you can't convict him.

[Conserative Morality]

There is plenty of people to empathize with people like these. Where is the empathy with black youth?

Reminding you that I'm from a country that had a 30% decrease of murders against white youth and 30% increase of murders against non-white youth since 2002 because of a very similar institution, in a metro area with maybe the most truculent police. So no, excuse me but I've seen and known too much domestically to really in any way want to minimally entertain defense of police forces with such a historic.

This isn't about the issue of racism in police. Well, I mean, this thread is, but I was referring to the idea that he's already guilty because the jury is still out. That's not a good idea to have, and speaking like that spreads it.

He may be at fault but not criminally responsible. Or he may be guilty as sin. You're entitled to your opinions on which he is (I lean towards guilt). But saying "The jury's taking a while; he's obviously guilty" is ridiculous and makes a mockery of the legal system.

[Greed and Death]

And go against all the witnesses and evidence? The dude was at the very least unreasonably trigger happy.

You aren't on the Grand Jury, so you can't convict him.

Neither can the grand jury.

They indict they do not convict.

[The Social Justice Warrior]

“It is the reason for the heavy police presence in the black community,” Giuliani countered. “So why don’t you cut it down so that so many white police forces don’t have to be in black areas?”

victim blaming.

[Anglo-California]

The media blows up when a black person is killed by a non-black person, but they ignore the major problem of black-on-black crime, a tragedy of immense proportions.

Or black-on-white crime.

[Cetacea]

Yes I knows its a race issue

but really it shouldnt be

the Issue is Police Officers - trained (?) and licensed to serve and protect are killing young people based on what the community perceives is racist profiling/fear

Police should be held to a much higher standard of accountability than the common black citizen on the street

[Maurepas]

The issue isn't that a white person shot a black person, it's that a white cop shot a black person and the police department he is part of helped obfuscate the issue to avoid possible clear justice. The issue is not that this is one incident, but one incident in a series of both racial and non racial police brutality

It has been brought before a grand jury I do not know what more one would want at this point.

Well I think regardless of the outcome what more needs to be done is very simple. We need a law, I think at the Federal Level, requiring all police officers to have an active camera operating on their person at all times. That way we are in a position to know exactly what happened every time without needing to take the police officer's word for it.

It's real simple, but I doubt it will happen, unfortunately.

[Murkwood]

You aren't on the Grand Jury, so you can't convict him.

Neither can the grand jury.

They indict they do not convict.

That's just semantics.

[The United Territories of Providence]

I live about 3 miles away from Ferguson, I'm directly affected by everything that will happen and has happened.

In all reality, and I'm sorry to say this, the death of Michael Brown is really inconsequential. 11,000 Americans die every year by way of gun injuries, some inflicted by police officers, some inflicted by law abiding Americans, most inflicted by criminals. The life of Mike Brown, his death, and the reaction to his death... is just emblematic of a larger societal problem. We should be coming together, it's only every so often we become self-aware and focus on it for more than 2 weeks. Americans are realizing....something is kind of fucked up....several things in fact. But rather than working together to address the issues that our country has been facing, fixing what is wrong with America with what is right with her; Something else is happening. We aren't talking about poverty, education, minorities, our culture, the police, racial divides, economic divides, or the general lack of empathy in this country (or sometimes WAY too much empathy). We're talking about the people, who traveled from miles outside of town to loot and whether or not Mike Brown flashed a gang sign or was a troubled student. That shouldn't be the issue. We have an opportunity to spur change in America that has been stifled for too many years. But we're just throwing it away....

The outcome of this trial doesn't matter, the grand jury doesn't matter. Indicted, or Free. What does matter is how we choose to continue, how we proceed after the riots, the burning, and the looting. How we move on (because we will move on). Because if we ignore our problems again, and sweep them under the rug for another generation....then the debate we're having in America is USELESS.