Ferguson Megathread

[Anglo-California]

Yes, that is exactly what I said white privilege was. You haven't disproven anything. All you've done is repeated what I said, with the point I'm making via satire going right over your head, and then you start spouting how you've proved something, but you haven't.

I don't recall you ever doing anything outside of just saying, "Nuh uh, you're wrong! Are you ignorant or something?"

And why would I want to respond to that?^

LC, it's obvious that Yummy Super would not expect you making arguments for the validity of the concept of white privilege, isn't it? I mean, it is quite shocking you do to me.

Make argument for why white privilege is bogus?

Sure, I can do that.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Make argument for why white privilege is bogus?

Sure, I can do that.

...I thought you said you were actually doing the opposite?

[Anglo-California]

Make argument for why white privilege is bogus?

Sure, I can do that.

...I thought you said you were actually doing the opposite?

What?

My original post was a sarcastic comment mocking the idea of white privilege. I'm not sure how you would construe that I think it's valid in any way, shape, or form.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

What?

My original post was a sarcastic comment mocking the idea of white privilege. I'm not sure how you would construe that I think it's valid in any way, shape, or form.

Because you seemed to say Yum was wrong in his assessment about your opinions in the subject?

[Pandoras Celestial Light]

...I thought you said you were actually doing the opposite?

What?

My original post was a sarcastic comment mocking the idea of white privilege. I'm not sure how you would construe that I think it's valid in any way, shape, or form.

It is impossible to make a sarcastic comment in a nothing but text driven thread. As I read over it I didn't really read sarcasm. Since it is text there are various ways messages can be taken so it's always nice if there is a hidden meaning to just say so, especially on threads such as these.

I'm just saying, it would have made things a lot easier for you.

"White privilege" isn't exactly bogus. It isn't as true to an extent as everyone makes it but it does exist.

[Big Jim P]

The criminals are the ones getting all the press, and unfortunately that is all to common. The peaceful protesters are not being heard over the noise created by the assholes.

Is that because the noisier ones deserve the attention despite being fewer in number, or because it's easier to focus on all of the reasons to not have a difficult discussion than to face the need to have it?

The criminals get the press, because those stories sell the papers.

[ScrewAllTheThings]

Compelling.

I wished more black people would choose a career in law enforcement.

I actually said the same thing the other day. One of the most common answers I received was "So they can look at us like we're going to use them". What I perceived from that was "Why even bother with it when most of the white people are going to look at us as if we're getting the job just to cover it up"

Which in itself, though worded poorly brings up a highly interesting concept. I know a few blacks who are in law enforcement that take a lot of crap from their white counterparts. There was even a recording of one saying "Boy you only here so your little thug family can keep robbing people"

There are more blacks in prison because black people commit more crimes. Same thing, pretty much, with the police shootings, and I think the numbers rather bear that out. In any case, these "statistics" are meaningless if you don't take the crime rate into account.

(I brace for the howls of PC outrage.)

There are more blacks in prison mostly because they're always stereotyped that they've done things even when they haven't. No I'm not going to google for any sources at the moment because you can do so for yourself.

Say for instance, in the city next to mine a black kid was arrested for "drug" charges. Well he had absolutely no drugs on him, and the kid was a college student. Not that being a college student implies anything. It's a lot harder for black people to move up in the world because there will always be someone that doesn't want them to just because they are black.

Same argument can be made that black people commit more crimes because they're singled out to do so. While it isn't exactly legal, some places won't hire blacks. What are they supposed to do to feed their families? (No I'm not even getting at the multiple baby mama drama so stahp.) That and even blacks with decent jobs are still harassed. I'm not saying it's right nor is it ok, but that's what they turn to.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd look at who role models are these days. Fools that are going to jail. Fools that have their pants way down their asses. Men that rap about women being bitches and hoes, etc. Men that rap vehemently about being in a gang and repping your hood. Rapping about slapping their women around. Women singing about doing whatever their men want.

And these are people that the majority of blacks look up to. Which really irritates me by the way. If we could just get rid of them. We could solve a few problems. Lol.

[ScrewAllTheThings]

Is that because the noisier ones deserve the attention despite being fewer in number, or because it's easier to focus on all of the reasons to not have a difficult discussion than to face the need to have it?

The criminals get the press, because those stories sell the papers.

Quote for truth right there. The only thing you've seen in the news is people looting and burning down stores. Nothing about the actual peacefulness. As a matter of fact, there was literally a 2 minute segment on the news about students protesting in Washington. As opposed to the weeks of burning and looting.

[Orangeinton]

Greetings fellow politicians,

Recently, after cop justifiably shot a dangerous man, there have been riots in the city of Ferguson, Missouri.
Now, it has occurred to me that this same issue has been going on since the 1960's, and has been festering ever since. Inner-city black communities coming up with every piece of false accusation's for themselves. We see this happening in Ferguson. But I am not here to debate the absurdity of these riots. So, excluding my biased opinion:

What do you think?

[Nazi Flower Power]

Oh, for god's sake, you do not want to bring academic credentials into this. it's petty, it's meaningless, and it's the worst sort of online unzipping to compare sizes.

You're insinuating all of the above, you made a weak joke based upon stereotypes, and now you're backpedaling. That's it. Either admit it or move on and stop embarrassing yourself.

I made a joke about all protestors regardless of race, religuon and so on. You are the who are not inteligent enough to realise that assumong I was stereotyping blacks.

What to think about people who cannot read properly?
They obviously were to stupid to even finish school. Than they are usually using progressive opinionto cover up their stupidity.

Dude, there's no reason to be nasty like that to Yumyum. He does read up about socio-economic issues before posting about them. Black people are overrepresented at these protests, so it's not that silly to think that a disparaging remark about the protestors had anti-black undertones.

[Digital Planets]

People are always gonna have a reason to riot. Ignorance is a virtue in communities like Ferguson.

[The Sotoan Union]

Peaceful protests are okay. Riots are bad and just an excuse for some people to steal things, regardless of what the riot was supposed to be for.

[Digital Planets]

Peaceful protests are okay. Riots are bad and just an excuse for some people to steal things, regardless of what the riot was supposed to be for.

Hey, getting a free TV while dodging the police isn't so bad, right?

[Nazi Flower Power]

For me at least, it's not just about the fact that these two cops won't be standing trial. Sometimes people do shitty things and don't get sent to prison for a variety of reasons. We had a young woman here on NS who got raped and the case never went to trial. Stuff like that happens.

The bigger issue is to address any systemic problems so that the justice system works better in the future. If a witness committed perjury, even if that wasn't grounds to redo the grand jury, I'd still want the witness prosecuted for the perjury. If prosecutors don't do their job properly because of cronyism, corruption, or conflicts of interest, then the prosecutor needs to be held accountable for that.

Oh don't get me wrong, if a witness committed perjury during this grand jury, that witness would be prosecuted for perjury and probably get it on first degree as well. It is just that the grand jury in regards to the police officer could not be redone even in regards to the revelation of such as far as I understand it. I would want a grand jury to be re-doable on a federal level if the DOJ itself got involved, but the problem is that doing so will assign legal value to politically heated situations, something the judicial courts try desperately to avoid. So it would have to be a limited review at the most, but I do think the DOJ should be able to intervene in them by weight of testimony if justified.

I do agree to a degree that police should not have to face trials given bad situations that constitute a breach in police procedure. That the badge itself grants some level of leeway in stressed situations that would not be mirrored in civilian circumstances. HOWEVER, I do think there should be police cameras at this point not merely on the cars, but on the uniforms, but after that the civil trust in the police needs to be thoroughly reformed. There have even been Bosnian individuals threatened with death due to their skin color because of this situation and the anti-authority sentiment does breed needless violence as does revangcism on those that think they are being oppressed by the system. In short, I dislike the downplay of the riots. They should be condemned in the media, public and communities at a very, very strong way and I am not feeling that from any of said mediums. Protestors who continue to protest after the first fire is visible should disperse and there have been some good examples of attempts at peaceful protests, but also some bad ones such a one gigantic retard line blocking the entire highway traffic which prevents anything from working people, to law enforcement and ambulances to get to their intended destinations. Protests which disrupts the infrastructure or screens damaging riots should be cracked down on, while civil disobedience which say, parks in front of the town hall should be seen as tolerable for an extended time.

Ugh, these situations just bring out the worst in society.

Yeah, there is really no excuse for the riots.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Use the Ferguson Megathread. Or use the Force. Just don't make bullshit duplicate threads.

[Gauthier]

Peaceful protests are okay. Riots are bad and just an excuse for some people to steal things, regardless of what the riot was supposed to be for.

Hey, getting a free TV while dodging the police isn't so bad, right?

So, what was it like being in Ferguson?

[Digital Planets]

Hey, getting a free TV while dodging the police isn't so bad, right?

So, what was it like being in Ferguson?

[Avenio]

Use the Ferguson Megathread. Or use the Force. Just don't make bullshit duplicate threads.

What, you don't think OP's 'dern uppity negros, gettin ideas above their station' shtick is worthy of its own thread?!

[Kelinfort]

Looting and rioting should never been allowed and should be pun shied to the full degree of the law.

That being said, the African American community still faces racial prejudice from police departments and the majority.

[Rhodisia]

Uhh... look, uh, let me be clear: If I had a son, he'd look like Michael Brown.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

White privilege doesn't mean that things are handed to you. It means that specific obstacles aren't placed in your way to the same degree that they are for those who aren't white. Of course, this has been explained to you numerous times, which means that you're either incapable of basic reading comprehension, or, as I suspect, simply willfully ignoring this in order to irrationally justify your deep-seated neuroses regarding race.

Yes, that is exactly what I said white privilege was. You haven't disproven anything. All you've done is repeated what I said, with the point I'm making via satire going right over your head, and then you start spouting how you've proved something, but you haven't.

I don't recall you ever doing anything outside of just saying, "Nuh uh, you're wrong! Are you ignorant or something?"

And why would I want to respond to that?^

If I tend to respond to your assertions in this manner, it's only because you have a strong tendency to be wrong on almost every major point, regardless of the topic being discussed. However, if this annoys you, then I'll ask a question rather than making a declarative statement:

Is it your contention that people of color do not face numerous and significant obstacles that are not generally faced by white people in this society, at least to the same degree?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Perhaps, but accusing him of such would be wrong.

>disagreement/delusions that you've actually proven anything
>therefore I'm trolling

Wat

If I were to accuse you of trolling--which I am most emphatically not doing--it would have less to do with simple disagreement, and more to do with your continuous statements of inflammatory and frankly ludicrous viewpoints that seem to have no purpose but to provoke anger or outrage.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Is that because the noisier ones deserve the attention despite being fewer in number, or because it's easier to focus on all of the reasons to not have a difficult discussion than to face the need to have it?

The criminals get the press, because those stories sell the papers.

Well, yes. However, we have a chance to discuss the actual topics at play, the ones being stated by the majority of protesters. We don't have to allow ourselves to be distracted by vandals and looters.

[Anglo-California]

Yes, that is exactly what I said white privilege was. You haven't disproven anything. All you've done is repeated what I said, with the point I'm making via satire going right over your head, and then you start spouting how you've proved something, but you haven't.

I don't recall you ever doing anything outside of just saying, "Nuh uh, you're wrong! Are you ignorant or something?"

And why would I want to respond to that?^

If I tend to respond to your assertions in this manner, it's only because you have a strong tendency to be wrong on almost every major point, regardless of the topic being discussed. However, if this annoys you, then I'll ask a question rather than making a declarative statement:

Is it your contention that people of color do not face numerous and significant obstacles that are not generally faced by white people in this society, at least to the same degree?

Yes and no. In the few instances it which it is yes, it is not for the reasons you think.

[Anglo-California]

>disagreement/delusions that you've actually proven anything
>therefore I'm trolling

Wat

If I were to accuse you of trolling--which I am most emphatically not doing--it would have less to do with simple disagreement, and more to do with your continuous statements of inflammatory and frankly ludicrous viewpoints that seem to have no purpose but to provoke anger or outrage.

Of course, you assume I'm just trying to provoke outrage and be inflammatory. If that were the case, I would have been banned a long time ago.