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Inyourfaceistan
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:50 pm

Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Because the National Guard is a part of the military, and you have to join it.

The majority of National Guard soldiers and airmen hold a civilian job full-time while serving part-time as a National Guard member


But they are still part of the military.

FYI I am currently looking into joining the Air National Guard, so you would think I might actually know what I might be getting myself into...

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Postby Lavan Tiri » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:51 pm

Jinos wrote:
Lavan Tiri wrote:
Look, not all cops are honest. And none of us are perfect. And as for the pregnant woman thing, that is horrific. But it's not like cops- most cops, good cops- go out and seek blacks to kill.


And these "Good cops" sit back and do nothing when bad cops brutalize people. They're little better in my opinion.

It doesn't matter how many good cops there are, if bad cops can do out and kill or beat with impunity, then there is a problem with the damned system.


Then fix the damn problems! But rioting won't do that!

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Imperial Nilfgaard
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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:51 pm

I can't say I'm surprised. The timing of the announcement almost seemed like it had riots as the goal.

Like wtf release the information at 8pm after dark?
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The Seleucids (Ancient)
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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:51 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
The Seleucids wrote:
Like you said, they should uphold the law. the law was violated by refusing a family to try and convict the killer of a boy who was shot without proper reason (in my opinion).



Law was upheld. Grand Jury was called, notified of the possible charges, shown evidence and they did not come back with an indictment. That is the Law, and not carried out by the Police. The Police are now enforcing the law with all due diligence. Tear gas is hardly the worst way to suppress a riot. *has been tear gassed many times*


Justice was not served, justice has to be served according to the law. Or is the law in the US so backwards that it doesn't care about justice?

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Jinos
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Postby Jinos » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:52 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
The Social Justice Warrior wrote:
we do have the moral high ground, though considering the opposing view that isn't much a feat.



...and? what's your point, you feels liberals are being too mean to you? we should collectively coddle you and some of the reprehensible views you hold?



seriously. do not care. one iota.

So, then, just say it: you want lynch mobs.


Obviously there is no other way to get justice. So yes, lynch Darren Wilson. Cops need to fear their actions will have consequences.
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Herskerstad
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Postby Herskerstad » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:52 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I'm uncertain on how I feel about the verdict. It felt like it wasn't really clear cut.


I will agree on that statement. I felt it deserving of a trial and I am generally on the policeman's side on such issues.

However, a grand jury is pretty thorough so I am not exactly enraged by it either.
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Postby Greater Weselton » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:52 pm

These people rioting don't seem to realize that America has a big enemy in ISIS.
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Inyourfaceistan
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:52 pm

The Seleucids wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

Law was upheld. Grand Jury was called, notified of the possible charges, shown evidence and they did not come back with an indictment. That is the Law, and not carried out by the Police. The Police are now enforcing the law with all due diligence. Tear gas is hardly the worst way to suppress a riot. *has been tear gassed many times*


Justice was not served, justice has to be served according to the law. Or is the law in the US so backwards that it doesn't care about justice?


Were you on the grand jury?
What leads you to this conclusion?
Did you see the evidence which the rest of us did not?
If so, please enlighten me.


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The Floating Island of the Sleeping God
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Postby The Floating Island of the Sleeping God » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:52 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:I can't say I'm surprised. The timing of the announcement almost seemed like it had riots as the goal.

Like wtf release the information at 8pm after dark?

...yeah, that's actually a really good point. Maybe they were hoping the protestors would be too tired to riot? Or they thought that it would be enough time for them to get organized and not break out into a disordered mob?
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:52 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:I can't say I'm surprised. The timing of the announcement almost seemed like it had riots as the goal.

Like wtf release the information at 8pm after dark?


Maybe they thought that the protesters would be tired and logy after dinner, or inside catching the Dancing With The Stars finale?

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Postby Southern Arkansas » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:52 pm

Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Because the National Guard is a part of the military, and you have to join it.

The majority of National Guard soldiers and airmen hold a civilian job full-time while serving part-time as a National Guard member


Sauce Wikipedia.


You still have to join. Do the same Basic Training as active duty. Go to the same schools etc. Deploy to the same shitholes.


They don't just round up people on the way to the riot and tell them to get into the truck.
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Insaeldor
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Postby Insaeldor » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:52 pm

Jinos wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:So, then, just say it: you want lynch mobs.


Obviously there is no other way to get justice. So yes, lynch Darren Wilson. Cops need to fear their actions will have consequences.


You people are literally the worst.
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Inyourfaceistan
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:53 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:These people rioting don't seem to realize that America has a big enemy in ISIS.


What does this have to do with anything?


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Paddy O Fernature
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:53 pm

The Seleucids wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

Law was upheld. Grand Jury was called, notified of the possible charges, shown evidence and they did not come back with an indictment. That is the Law, and not carried out by the Police. The Police are now enforcing the law with all due diligence. Tear gas is hardly the worst way to suppress a riot. *has been tear gassed many times*


Justice was not served, justice has to be served according to the law. Or is the law in the US so backwards that it doesn't care about justice?


It's pretty clear at this point that you don't have a clue as to the law, or else you would realize that what has occurred was done pretty much to the letter of it. :roll:

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Tarsonis Survivors
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:53 pm

The Seleucids wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:There. That is exactly it. In your opinion. Your opinion based on an incomplete view of the situation. What you want is not to see the law followed, which it was tonight, whether you like the outcome or not. What you want is revenge.


Revenge becouse the law wasn't followed. A person got killed for no reason and the one who killed him walked off just like that. if you call that justice then i'm jezus christ coming to save the day.



The Law was followed. He didn't walk off just like that. He got a Grand Jury hearing.

You're not interested in the Law. You only want vengeance which is not what the legal system is about.

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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:53 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:These people rioting don't seem to realize that America has a big enemy in ISIS.

Why would they care more about something that is VASTLY less likely to directly affect them?
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Postby Asyir » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:53 pm

The Seleucids wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

Law was upheld. Grand Jury was called, notified of the possible charges, shown evidence and they did not come back with an indictment. That is the Law, and not carried out by the Police. The Police are now enforcing the law with all due diligence. Tear gas is hardly the worst way to suppress a riot. *has been tear gassed many times*


Justice was not served, justice has to be served according to the law. Or is the law in the US so backwards that it doesn't care about justice?

There was no indictment. Therefore, there was no case. Why should we waste taxpayer dollars if the result will be the same?
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Postby United States Kingdom » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:53 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:These people rioting don't seem to realize that America has a big enemy in ISIS.

This post is irrelevant to the thread.

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Postby Sailsia » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:53 pm

If anyone is interested, here's the police scanner for St. Louis police.

http://stephentopia.listen2myradio.com/

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Jinos
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Postby Jinos » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:54 pm

Insaeldor wrote:
Jinos wrote:
Obviously there is no other way to get justice. So yes, lynch Darren Wilson. Cops need to fear their actions will have consequences.


You people are literally the worst.


Worse than the racists over at Yahoo who are talking about how this "thug" deserved to be gunned down from behind for stealing a few cigars?

Yeah. We're the worst :roll:
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Postby Communist Volkstrad » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:54 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:These people rioting don't seem to realize that America has a big enemy in ISIS.

What does ISIS have to do with this?
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:54 pm

The Seleucids wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

Law was upheld. Grand Jury was called, notified of the possible charges, shown evidence and they did not come back with an indictment. That is the Law, and not carried out by the Police. The Police are now enforcing the law with all due diligence. Tear gas is hardly the worst way to suppress a riot. *has been tear gassed many times*


Justice was not served, justice has to be served according to the law. Or is the law in the US so backwards that it doesn't care about justice?


Justice is a produce of Law. Law is not a product of Justice.

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Postby Greater Weselton » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:54 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:These people rioting don't seem to realize that America has a big enemy in ISIS.

This post is irrelevant to the thread.

They should just fucking stop rioting and focus on what is important!
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Postby The Floating Island of the Sleeping God » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:54 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:These people rioting don't seem to realize that America has a big enemy in ISIS.

That's one hell of a non-sequitur. I guess that social problems disappear in your mind when there are people from other countries we could be shooting?
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The Seleucids (Ancient)
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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:54 pm

Inyourfaceistan wrote:
The Seleucids wrote:
Justice was not served, justice has to be served according to the law. Or is the law in the US so backwards that it doesn't care about justice?


Were you on the grand jury?
What leads you to this conclusion?
Did you see the evidence which the rest of us did not?
If so, please enlighten me.


No i was not, if i was in it they would never come to an agreement.
Already said multiple times.
Nope, don't have to either.

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