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Postby Deral » Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:37 pm

I believe that the reason Islam is considered "extreme" is not that it is any more prone to extremism than other religions, but that, currently, extremist Islamic groups have an abnormally large amount of power in many countries in the middle east. I have absolutely no ill will towards Islam, but I absolutely detest all who would pervert the message of their faith into one of hatred and xenophobia.

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Postby Narland » Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:43 pm

Lordieth wrote:
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There is a big differnce. Those who kill each other in the name of Christ do so in disobedience to Christ and against Christ's example. Those who kill in the name of Islam do so in obedience to the Quran and in the example of Muhammed.


So the Spanish Inquisition..Catholicism was just having an off day, was it?


the spanish inquisition is the perfect example. those aspects of the roman catholic institution that began sanctioning murder ceased to be christian. anyone can call themselves anything, but when they disregard the defining characteristics of what they claim to be they cease to be what they claim but are in deed become hypocrites. hypocrisy isnt limited to christianity, but christ treated hypocrits especially harsh.

islam on the other hand from the conquest of mecca has sanctioned the murder of non-muslims. it was instituted by muhammed and commanded in the quran. muhammed is the expemplar of how muslims should behave.

christ is the exemplar of how christian should behave. christ said to love your enemies, do good to those who spite you, and pray for those who mistreat you. he led by example to the point of sacrificing himself for the good of others.

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Postby Southern Test Islands » Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:43 pm

I dislike Islam for the same reason I dislike all religions - it is backwards and superstition based. However, those that mindlessly bash Muslims, accusing them of being "terrorists" or "anti-western" are nothing but hateful bigots who deserve nothing but scorn.

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Postby Ereria » Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:45 pm

Narland wrote:
Lordieth wrote:
So the Spanish Inquisition..Catholicism was just having an off day, was it?


the spanish inquisition is the perfect example. those aspects of the roman catholic institution that began sanctioning murder ceased to be christian. anyone can call themselves anything, but when they disregard the defining characteristics of what they claim to be they cease to be what they claim but are in deed become hypocrites. hypocrisy isnt limited to christianity, but christ treated hypocrits especially harsh.

islam on the other hand from the conquest of mecca has sanctioned the murder of non-muslims. it was instituted by muhammed and commanded in the quran. muhammed is the expemplar of how muslims should behave.

christ is the exemplar of how christian should behave. christ said to love your enemies, do good to those who spite you, and pray for those who mistreat you. he led by example to the point of sacrificing himself for the good of others.


You are totally wrong mate. We don't kill in Islam except in self defence. Christianity has been 10 times more violent. If I were to list up every mass killing christians did, I would fill a whole NS page.
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Postby Laanvia » Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:49 pm

My nation is Islamic, but in real life, I'm atheist towards most religions. I support the beliefs of Muslims, Christians, Budhists and the rest. I think that people hate Islam to the high number of ordinary Arab people (not necessarily Muslims) seen on TV burning US/UK/Israeli flags, spouting sentences of hatred to the aforementioned states and other Politically Incorrect activities due to popular radical influence.
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Postby Lexcronica » Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:51 pm

I want to know how anyone that has this belief think they are better than those they judge.

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Postby Lordieth » Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:51 pm

Narland wrote:
Lordieth wrote:
So the Spanish Inquisition..Catholicism was just having an off day, was it?


the spanish inquisition is the perfect example. those aspects of the roman catholic institution that began sanctioning murder ceased to be christian. anyone can call themselves anything, but when they disregard the defining characteristics of what they claim to be they cease to be what they claim but are in deed become hypocrites. hypocrisy isnt limited to christianity, but christ treated hypocrits especially harsh.

islam on the other hand from the conquest of mecca has sanctioned the murder of non-muslims. it was instituted by muhammed and commanded in the quran. muhammed is the expemplar of how muslims should behave.

christ is the exemplar of how christian should behave. christ said to love your enemies, do good to those who spite you, and pray for those who mistreat you. he led by example to the point of sacrificing himself for the good of others.


So when Muslims themselves disown radical Islamic extremists..you don't see that as being in any way the same thing? I think you're splitting hairs on the whole Muhammad vs Christ issue. The bible contains as many references to doing rather unpleasant things to the enemies of god as the Quaran does. The difference being, Christianity and Catholicism have moved on somewhat. This isn't biblical. It's cultural. Both the Bible and the Quaran were written in very different times. Both are filled with death, war, smiting the unbelievers, and so forth. People can do horrific things in the name of their God. None of the Abrahamic religions are particularly pleasant if you follow the teaching too literally. Doesn't the Quaran also teach peace?

Chapter 2, Verse 190: "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors."


The plain and simple truth is, people cherry-pick what they want to listen to, and what they don't. Islam is no different. It's a matter of interpretation.
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Postby Narland » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:01 pm

The Cobalt Sky wrote:
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There is a big differnce. Those who kill each other in the name of Christ do so in disobedience to Christ and against Christ's example. Those who kill in the name of Islam do so in obedience to the Quran and in the example of Muhammed.

Incorrect. Luke 12:51.


Luke 12:51 is very true. These verses talk about the extreme trouble that Christians will face when converting.

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49 “I came to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already set ablaze! 50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how it consumes Me until it is finished! 51 Do you think that I came here to give peace to the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division! 52 From now on, five in one household will be divided: three against two, and two against three.

53 They will be divided, father against son,
son against father,
mother against daughter,
daughter against mother,
mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law,
and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”[o]

My step-father, was especially disappointed when he found out I had become a Christian, but later accepted that fact. It was very devisive. There are those in other cultures who have not been so fortunate. They have been slandered, disowned, and even killed by family for becoming Christians.

Families have been divided about the issue ever since.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:03 pm

Araksasya wrote:Just because of 9/11, c'mon 13 years ago, a lunatic fringe group did a horrible thing, but now peoplehave so much hate. We don't hate Germans because of Hitler and Nazis but yet we hate Muslims because of al-Qaeda and Bin Laden?

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Postby Apparatchikstan » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:24 pm

Ereria wrote:
Narland wrote:
the spanish inquisition is the perfect example. those aspects of the roman catholic institution that began sanctioning murder ceased to be christian. anyone can call themselves anything, but when they disregard the defining characteristics of what they claim to be they cease to be what they claim but are in deed become hypocrites. hypocrisy isnt limited to christianity, but christ treated hypocrits especially harsh.

islam on the other hand from the conquest of mecca has sanctioned the murder of non-muslims. it was instituted by muhammed and commanded in the quran. muhammed is the expemplar of how muslims should behave.

christ is the exemplar of how christian should behave. christ said to love your enemies, do good to those who spite you, and pray for those who mistreat you. he led by example to the point of sacrificing himself for the good of others.


You are totally wrong mate. We don't kill in Islam except in self defence. Christianity has been 10 times more violent. If I were to list up every mass killing christians did, I would fill a whole NS page.

Really? Maybe you can explain what the entire 7th century Mediterranean region did to provoke it's Islamic conquest.
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Postby Auroya » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:26 pm

Because of bigotry, ignorance and fear, for the most part.
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Postby The Cobalt Sky » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:41 pm

Narland wrote:
The Cobalt Sky wrote:Incorrect. Luke 12:51.


Luke 12:51 is very true. These verses talk about the extreme trouble that Christians will face when converting.

Not Peace but Division

49 “I came to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already set ablaze! 50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how it consumes Me until it is finished! 51 Do you think that I came here to give peace to the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division! 52 From now on, five in one household will be divided: three against two, and two against three.

53 They will be divided, father against son,
son against father,
mother against daughter,
daughter against mother,
mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law,
and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”[o]

My step-father, was especially disappointed when he found out I had become a Christian, but later accepted that fact. It was very devisive. There are those in other cultures who have not been so fortunate. They have been slandered, disowned, and even killed by family for becoming Christians.

Families have been divided about the issue ever since.

Leviticus 20:9, then. That one definitely seems to support killing.
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Postby Narland » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:08 pm

The Cobalt Sky wrote:
Narland wrote:
Luke 12:51 is very true. These verses talk about the extreme trouble that Christians will face when converting.

Not Peace but Division

49 “I came to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already set ablaze! 50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how it consumes Me until it is finished! 51 Do you think that I came here to give peace to the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division! 52 From now on, five in one household will be divided: three against two, and two against three.

53 They will be divided, father against son,
son against father,
mother against daughter,
daughter against mother,
mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law,
and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”[o]

My step-father, was especially disappointed when he found out I had become a Christian, but later accepted that fact. It was very devisive. There are those in other cultures who have not been so fortunate. They have been slandered, disowned, and even killed by family for becoming Christians.

Families have been divided about the issue ever since.

Leviticus 20:9, then. That one definitely seems to support killing.


Seriously, we are not ancient Isrealites of the Mosaic Covenant marching to reclaim their forefather's land in order for God to establish a People so that the Promisied One may come (That is to whom those verses specifically apply). That has already been done. The Levitical Priesthood who had to extablish that extreme jurisprudence for the theonomy of the state disbanded long ago--they no longer exist as a temple priesthood. As Chrstian we are under Grace, not Law. Christ being the fulfilment of that Law.

Christ said a new command I give is to love each other. Muhammed said to strike down your enemies. When Christians kill non-Christians for not converting, they (the Christians) deny Christ. When Muslims kill non-Muslims for not converting they (the Muslims) affirm Muhammed.
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Postby In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:17 pm

I think it is because it is close enough to christianity but far enough for them to not like them.

Also since it is so big but not the biggest is also why they hate islamic people. Also scapegoat
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Postby Roski » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:26 pm

I'm going to explain this simply:

Because the western world is more or less terrified, when, at the hands of these... 1500's living terrorists managed to make the most powerful country in the entire world cry for help, via use of Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
The article that was created to defend Western Europe against the Soviet Union. Not against some rogues in the middle east. Now, the anger against Islam is based on over-zealous use of scaremongering by the American Right, and lack of real resolve by the American left.

For simplicity sake, I won't even go into the harshness of the wars in the middle east, in which you wipe out one terrorist group and another appears almost immediately.

Even more, there is the fact that pretty much every... reasonably influencal islamic government has declared that one of their purposes is that every single person in Israel is executed.

So the opinions of few, who happen to hold power and opinions actually matter, have shaped the Western world's view of Islam to something that isn't very nice.

Eastern Europe (specifically the former Yugoslav states) highly resent Islam because of Islamic Albania and the Kosovo War in the 90's, in which Albania pleaded to the west for help, and Serbia was bombed to living shit.

Israel hates Islam for more or less the same reasons as above.
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Postby Trollgaard » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:58 pm

I think its pretty damn obvious why Islam is disliked.

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Postby Lexcronica » Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:28 pm

Trollgaard wrote:I think its pretty damn obvious why Islam is disliked.


Same reason as Merica?

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Postby Lunas Legion » Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:30 pm

Lexcronica wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:I think its pretty damn obvious why Islam is disliked.


Same reason as Merica?


What, they both like believing that they're special and don't have to live by the same rules as the rest of the world?
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Postby Araksasya » Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:40 pm

The Cobalt Sky wrote:
Narland wrote:
There is a big differnce. Those who kill each other in the name of Christ do so in disobedience to Christ and against Christ's example. Those who kill in the name of Islam do so in obedience to the Quran and in the example of Muhammed.

Incorrect. Luke 12:51.

Um, we'll know they do not kill in obedience to the Quran, they are muse retorting the sacred and inner struggle of jihad an misinterpreting it as holy war, which is quite a paradoxical concept, In gonna let you guys work this all out, bye bye :twisted: :rofl:
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Postby Lexcronica » Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:57 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
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Same reason as Merica?


What, they both like believing that they're special and don't have to live by the same rules as the rest of the world?


yah pretty much.

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Postby Untaroicht » Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:58 pm

When you people came into our lands [Thrace, Constantinople, and Anatolia] it was not with open arms and good tidings but with swords and hatred. You took our land, sold our women into sexual slavery, plundered our churches, and in a matter of a few short years completely tore down our beloved kingdom that took centuries to build. When that wasn't enough, you killed us off with careful and malicious planning en masse, then had the arrogance to claim you are peaceful and rational. If there is a heaven and it is filled with people like those turks, then hell is the place for me and my kin.
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Postby GlobalControl » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:00 pm

Its because of the bad name ISIS gave it. Murder's, Rape, Constant killing. Its ISIS that has seriously beat Islam in to the corner.
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Postby Wesorin » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:03 pm

Because of organizations of radical Muslims such as ISIS and the fact that many religions teach them to hate others.

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Postby Trollgaard » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:04 pm

Globalcontrol wrote:Its because of the bad name ISIS gave it. Murder's, Rape, Constant killing. Its ISIS that has seriously beat Islam in to the corner.


Nothing they haven't been doing for 1500 years.

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Postby Wesorin » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:12 pm

Trollgaard wrote:
Globalcontrol wrote:Its because of the bad name ISIS gave it. Murder's, Rape, Constant killing. Its ISIS that has seriously beat Islam in to the corner.


Nothing they haven't been doing for 1500 years.

And what about the Crusades? Those weren't caused by Christians, right?

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