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Postby Buse » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:05 am

Harpers Ferry wrote:
Buse wrote:Germans have long ago abandom nazism and regret for their atrocities. Muslims in other hand are usually conservative and violent so people of even liberal background see them as a danger to their personal liberties. This attitude fuels especially the fact that so many Muslims from the West went to the Middle East to fight for the Islamic cause.

Source that the majority of Muslims are violent.

not muslims, but islam.

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Postby Apparatchikstan » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:06 am

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Apparatchikstan wrote:Islam isn't that special. Muhammad isn't the first or last warlord to masquerade as a righteous prophet of God, and wrap his belligerant conquest in a theocratic cult of personality. His is the most successful and lasting though. Considering Islam's centuries long history of militant conversion by the sword, I'd expect more passive peoples to eye it with at least a little trepidation.

Islam is not the sole major religion guilty of conquest by sword and fire.

I didn't make that claim.
However, there is a difference between corrupting gospel to justify power and warmongering, and founding a religion on the basis of such mongering.
Through this lense, I view Islam, Catholocism, and Orthodoxy with the same suspicion.
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Postby Buse » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:08 am

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Tierra Prime wrote:It hasn't liberalised like Christianity has (You must admit it has progressed to a degree) and there's the whole "Invade the Roman Empire" and "Crusades" thing.

How exactly is the Crusades the Muslim World's fault?

Because the territory of Palestine was in begin Christians (to be precisely the Byzantine Empire) before the Muslim invadors conquered it and ban the Christians in Europe to attend the Holy Land,, and even killed the Christian population. The Pope called for a crusader as a reaction of that.
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Postby Ereria » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:13 am

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Harpers Ferry wrote:How exactly is the Crusades the Muslim World's fault?

Because the territory of Palestine was in begin Christians (to be precisely the Byzantine Empire) before the Muslim invadors conquered it and ban the Christians in Europe to attend the Holy Land,, and even killed the Christian population. The Pope called for a crusader as a reaction of that.


What I have been taught in history class (in Norway, a secular and mostly christian country): Muslims captured it and people lived there in peace. Crusaders came by and killed every muslim in there and plundered and raped women.
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Postby Buse » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:25 am

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Buse wrote:Because the territory of Palestine was in begin Christians (to be precisely the Byzantine Empire) before the Muslim invadors conquered it and ban the Christians in Europe to attend the Holy Land,, and even killed the Christian population. The Pope called for a crusader as a reaction of that.


What I have been taught in history class (in Norway, a secular and mostly christian country): Muslims captured it and people lived there in peace. Crusaders came by and killed every muslim in there and plundered and raped women.

The bolded part is certainly not true. There is many accounts of that. You know when Pope Benedict XVI sparked a controversy when he quoted a Byzantine Emperor about Islam?

Well, that Emperor was the one who lost Palestine to the Muslims and who witnessed all what the Arabs did.

The second proof is demographics. You know it the Muslims were tolerant that the demographics of Christians and Jews would not fall thorough out years.
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Postby Estenia » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:26 am

Harpers Ferry wrote:
Buse wrote:Germans have long ago abandom nazism and regret for their atrocities. Muslims in other hand are usually conservative and violent so people of even liberal background see them as a danger to their personal liberties. This attitude fuels especially the fact that so many Muslims from the West went to the Middle East to fight for the Islamic cause.

Source that the majority of Muslims are violent.

Have you ever met a muslim. There's a difference between Muslims and Islamists, we got lots of muslims in Greece and none of them is Islamist.
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Postby Buse » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:34 am

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Harpers Ferry wrote:Source that the majority of Muslims are violent.

Have you ever met a muslim. There's a difference between Muslims and Islamists, we got lots of muslims in Greece and none of them is Islamist.

You got Albanians who had the luck to be isolated from the rest of the Muslims world.

Are you having this brother feelings toward Serbs?
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Postby Harpers Ferry » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:34 am

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Buse wrote:Because the territory of Palestine was in begin Christians (to be precisely the Byzantine Empire) before the Muslim invadors conquered it and ban the Christians in Europe to attend the Holy Land,, and even killed the Christian population. The Pope called for a crusader as a reaction of that.


What I have been taught in history class (in Norway, a secular and mostly christian country): Muslims captured it and people lived there in peace. Crusaders came by and killed every muslim in there and plundered and raped women.

Not just every Muslim, every Jew too. At least in Jerusalem when they took it.
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Postby Harpers Ferry » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:35 am

Estenia wrote:
Harpers Ferry wrote:Source that the majority of Muslims are violent.

Have you ever met a muslim. There's a difference between Muslims and Islamists, we got lots of muslims in Greece and none of them is Islamist.

Yes I have. Many of them, which is why I'm calling bull shit on his generalization that most Muslims are islamists.
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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:10 am

Islam is a religion of hate and terrorism which tries to spread with wars,terrorism and forced conservations.
Christianity also spread with colonialism and wars but they did not kill everyone who believed something that was just a little different.

BTW let me be clear I'm a Atheist.
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Postby Estenia » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:12 am

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Estenia wrote:Have you ever met a muslim. There's a difference between Muslims and Islamists, we got lots of muslims in Greece and none of them is Islamist.

You got Albanians who had the luck to be isolated from the rest of the Muslims world.

Are you having this brother feelings toward Serbs?

I do, but I don't have a problem with Albanians, I have a ton of friends from that country which makes me like both Serbia and Albania, no matter what.
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Postby Zottistan » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:15 am

Simply Tyrone wrote:
Zottistan wrote:Well, it's an organized religion, first of all.


Because simply being organized warrants hate.

Being a religion warrants hate, generally. The exceptions are all non-organized.
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Postby Estenia » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:16 am

Harpers Ferry wrote:
Estenia wrote:Have you ever met a muslim. There's a difference between Muslims and Islamists, we got lots of muslims in Greece and none of them is Islamist.

Yes I have. Many of them, which is why I'm calling bull shit on his generalization that most Muslims are islamists.

You show us that u hate Islam cause the middle east and Al-Qaeda, get a life finally, admit that muslim have stricter laws than other religions and are very pushed. And no most of them aren't bad. You just hade 1.5r billion people + the Jews.
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Postby Insaeldor » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:16 am

A lot of people hate what they don't understand and with 9/11 and the war in Iraq and Afghanistan it gives us an enemy to hate too.
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Postby Skinia » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:18 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:Islam is a religion of hate and terrorism which tries to spread with wars,terrorism and forced conservations.
Christianity also spread with colonialism and wars but they did not kill everyone who believed something that was just a little different.

BTW let me be clear I'm a Atheist.

What a blatant fucking lie. Native Americans in the North and South America had to suffer due to forced conversions to Christianity and mass murder afterwards.
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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:19 am

Insaeldor wrote:A lot of people hate what they don't understand and with 9/11 and the war in Iraq and Afghanistan it gives us an enemy to hate too.

Why should people understand a religion that allows killing people that have the ''wrong'' religion?

You should watch Fitna https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgQdZgojOFI
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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:19 am

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Empire of Vlissingen wrote:Islam is a religion of hate and terrorism which tries to spread with wars,terrorism and forced conservations.
Christianity also spread with colonialism and wars but they did not kill everyone who believed something that was just a little different.

BTW let me be clear I'm a Atheist.

What a blatant fucking lie. Native Americans in the North and South America had to suffer due to forced conversions to Christianity and mass murder afterwards.

I never said they did not.
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Postby Memell » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:20 am

Because it´s a religion for cavemen...?
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Postby Baltican Union » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:22 am

Draw Muhammad day, at least Christians don't kill people when thy're religion is criticized.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:26 am

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Postby Aelex » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:36 am

The main fact is simply that.

Judaism is a religion of "Severity" (Not in a bad way) and "God-Fear" who say respect God and what he sayed.
Christianity is a religion of "Hope" and "Believe" who say preach the exemple to be kind by being kind yourself.
Islam is a religion of "Hardness" and "Violence" who say convert the infidel by the sword and the fire.

All is sayed.

I'm not saying all muslims are bad (and I rather not because a lot of my friend'll kill me if I do have sayed that ^^) or that the all religion is bad. Just that the first principe of this religion is not propage it peacefully, but, kill or enslave all those who don't want to worship the same way we do.
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Postby CTALNH » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:38 am

Don't worry I hate every religion equally.
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Postby Skinia » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:40 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:
Skinia wrote:What a blatant fucking lie. Native Americans in the North and South America had to suffer due to forced conversions to Christianity and mass murder afterwards.

I never said they did not.

Emphasis mine.

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:Islam is a religion of hate and terrorism which tries to spread with wars,terrorism and forced conservations.
Christianity also spread with colonialism and wars but they did not kill everyone who believed something that was just a little different.

BTW let me be clear I'm a Atheist.
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Postby Insaeldor » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:43 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:
Insaeldor wrote:A lot of people hate what they don't understand and with 9/11 and the war in Iraq and Afghanistan it gives us an enemy to hate too.

Why should people understand a religion that allows killing people that have the ''wrong'' religion?

You should watch Fitna https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgQdZgojOFI

Okay? Your point? Just because you show me a video on YouTube doesn't mean anything in regards to the truth. An ISIS guy could do the same to show how islam is good it's all in how you pick your history.

I'm not claim Islam is a religion of peace and happiness and sunshine but that goes for pretty much all religion and many non-believers as well. I mean we've had murderous demagogues of all religious background and around the world you have terrorist of ever creed and religion so to pick out one group and go "these guys are terrorist because they blow shit up. It must be there religion!" While this might be true to a degree we have to go and say than christians must be terrorist because of the terrorist in subsaharian Africa and it also goes for the irreligious terrorist who take part in terroristic activities because of ether ideological or in some cases religious reason with them overlapping in some cases.

To simply pick up the new group being the new head of terrorism and saying there all bad is ridiculous. Terrorism isn't and issue of the whole group being awful it's an issue of individuals who ether hold personal garages against the west for whatever reason or have fallen for the propaganda of said terrorist this however can go for anyone and is not mutually exclusive to islam itself which is also the main opponent to radical jihadism in many cases. Just because you show me a video of a noted and vocal anti-Islamist isn't going to change someone's stance or at least not my stance in the same way that showing me a video of a noted anti-Semite or anti-Christian, or a theist who hates atheism won't sway my views ether.
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Postby Fesconia » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:48 am

Skinia wrote:
Empire of Vlissingen wrote:Islam is a religion of hate and terrorism which tries to spread with wars,terrorism and forced conservations.
Christianity also spread with colonialism and wars but they did not kill everyone who believed something that was just a little different.

BTW let me be clear I'm a Atheist.

What a blatant fucking lie. Native Americans in the North and South America had to suffer due to forced conversions to Christianity and mass murder afterwards.


Islam is not a religion of terrorism and war, and neither is Christianity. It's just a stupid lie people believe these days. Islam has nothing to do with terrorism and war, and those who connect Islam with Al Qaeda and terrorism are simply blind fools. It's Al Qaeda people hate, not Islam. But because of the way the media portrays them people have begun to connect the two and confuse them with each other. What does Islam have to with terrorism? Just because there are a lot of wars in the Middle East and terrorist groups that are Muslim doesn't mean Muslims are bad.

Why do people think of Islam when they think of 9/11 or Al Qaeda? The incident was caused by Al Qaeda, not the religion. Imagine for a second a terrorist group that was not Muslim. A terrorist organisation that was Christian or some other religion. Would Christians be called bad and terrorists if that happened? Would they even mention that the members are Christian? The answer is no. Then why is Islam bad? To me, they are just ordinary people, and have nothing to do with terrorism. People should stop believing this kind of nonsense.

And I'm an atheist too by the way.

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