Why do so many people hate Islam?

[Dewhurst-Narculis]

The Crusades argument by the secular apologetics has been disproved hundreds of times. Once again.

The Crusaders were a small army of about 30,000 - not a massive, ravaging horde of millions upon millions. The Crusaders took the city of Jerusalem back from the Muslims who stole it from the Jews. They waited over five hundred years after the Muslims conquered Israel violently before they finally stepped in.

Oh my God.
You could not be more goddamn ignorant of basic goddamn history.

Mhm, wait for the links ;P

Just waiting for our Muslim demographic on NSG to swarm upon him, grabs le popped kernels

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

See, I don't see that at all. The Christian gospel was spread peaceably. Do you realize that the Islamic thieves that stole Israel from the Jews held it for over five hundred years before the Pope and the Byzantines finally stepped in?

Why must we resort to the 'well, Christianity did this as well' argument and dodge the facts that Islam has way more blood on its hands than anyone else.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages ... .htm#other

-giant snip about how Islam is ebul-

Do we really have to mention the Crusades/the Spanish Inquisition/every other mass killing that Christians committed against Protestants (subset of the SAME RELIGION) Muslims, and others?

Muslims are the modern killers, if you want to put it that way.

Christians have been the killers throughout most of history.

Cathars, Albigensian, Orthodox, Protestant, fuck, the list goes on and on...

[Kelinfort]

This is not entirely correct. Muhammed is not the example of a perfect man nor a perfect Muslim.

Not perfect? That's far-fetched. He wasn't 'imperfect'. He was far worse. He was plain malicious. He had a 9-year old wife (and many other wives due to his polygamy), he conquered the entire Arabian peninsula (not as a 'peaceful' prophet would do), and his successors (caliphs) conquered the rest of Northern Africa, Israel, and attempted to conquer Europe as well, by the way of Spain. They nearly succeeded in taking Austria at one point as well, in addition to Rome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_co ... e_Americas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_con ... ristianity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades

Shut up.

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

Yeah, totally peaceful. No one died.

Oh, absolutely. The Taino went extinct, the Incas disappeared... totally. Years of slavery and forced conversions... no, absolutely. It is like A&B says. No death. They sung Kumbaya and frolicked the meadows hand in hand with the Conquistadors.

It was the fault of the European for carrying diseases?

[SuperFruitland]

Oh, absolutely. The Taino went extinct, the Incas disappeared... totally. Years of slavery and forced conversions... no, absolutely. It is like A&B says. No death. They sung Kumbaya and frolicked the meadows hand in hand with the Conquistadors.

It was the fault of the European for carrying diseases?

*cough* mass genocide against the native peoples of America *cough*

[The Seleucids (Ancient)]

This is not entirely correct. Muhammed is not the example of a perfect man nor a perfect Muslim.

Not perfect? That's far-fetched. He wasn't 'imperfect'. He was far worse. He was plain malicious. He had a 9-year old wife (and many other wives due to his polygamy), he conquered the entire Arabian peninsula (not as a 'peaceful' prophet would do), and his successors (caliphs) conquered the rest of Northern Africa, Israel, and attempted to conquer Europe as well, by the way of Spain. They nearly succeeded in taking Austria at one point as well, in addition to Rome.

You're the one that claims he is perfect according to Muslims, not me.
Yes, he had a child as wife, so did many people back in those days.
Who said he did it peacefull? Nobody.

[Harpers Ferry]

See, I don't see that at all. The Christian gospel was spread peaceably. Do you realize that the Islamic thieves that stole Israel from the Jews held it for over five hundred years before the Pope and the Byzantines finally stepped in?

Why must we resort to the 'well, Christianity did this as well' argument and dodge the facts that Islam has way more blood on its hands than anyone else.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages ... .htm#other

-giant snip about how Islam is ebul-

Do we really have to mention the Crusades/the Spanish Inquisition/every other mass killing that Christians committed against Protestants (subset of the SAME RELIGION) Muslims, and others?

Muslims are the modern killers, if you want to put it that way.

Christians have been the killers throughout most of history.

Don't bother. He'll just write off fact and basic logic as secularist pagan lies or some other bull shit.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yeah, totally peaceful. No one died.

Oh, absolutely. The Taino went extinct, the Incas disappeared... totally. Years of slavery and forced conversions... no, absolutely. It is like A&B says. No death. They sung Kumbaya and frolicked the meadows hand in hand with the Conquistadors.

WHY DO YOU GUYS KEEP FORGETTING THE AZTECS AND THE MAYANS

I has a sad now

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Oh, absolutely. The Taino went extinct, the Incas disappeared... totally. Years of slavery and forced conversions... no, absolutely. It is like A&B says. No death. They sung Kumbaya and frolicked the meadows hand in hand with the Conquistadors.

It was the fault of the European for carrying diseases?

Oh please, diseases were hardly the issue here. Forced labor was. Slavery. Do open a fucking history book. The ignorance is outstanding.

[Herskerstad]

Those are expansions by the five rightly guided caliphs, including Muhammad.

Now, since Muhammad is in Islamic theology the 'perfect man' or the man to follow the example of, that explains Islamic conduct generally in regards to their expansive history of Jihad against unbelievers.

You can feel free to show the regions that Jesus himself conquered militarily, and if you don't think that would have made a considerable difference, then yeah, so much for your arguments.

Jesus himself didn't, but remember your history. How did Christianity spread? By fire and sword.

I am well aware of my history. Though spread is a rather meticulous word to use in such a context. It did 'spread' throughout the Roman empire under persecution, and eventually through Constantine gain top political influence. The amount of 'holy wars' IE, crusades, subjugation's and to a lesser degree colonization in Christianity is relatively limited though not few, even though they are dwarfed by relatively secular conflicts in scale if not in scope.

If Jesus however had said things like 'Slay the infidel wherever you find him' or 'Wage war against the unbelievers' you can be certain that history would look quite different. The problem is, the prophet of the southern religion did say such things, and as a result one can see the history of Islam the way it developed.

[Senyosu]

This is not entirely correct. Muhammed is not the example of a perfect man nor a perfect Muslim.

Not perfect? That's far-fetched. He wasn't 'imperfect'. He was far worse. He was plain malicious. He had a 9-year old wife (and many other wives due to his polygamy), he conquered the entire Arabian peninsula (not as a 'peaceful' prophet would do), and his successors (caliphs) conquered the rest of Northern Africa, Israel, and attempted to conquer Europe as well, by the way of Spain. They nearly succeeded in taking Austria at one point as well, in addition to Rome.

Dude do you even understand Islamic history?

No.

So shut up.

[Sun Wukong]

Oh, absolutely. The Taino went extinct, the Incas disappeared... totally. Years of slavery and forced conversions... no, absolutely. It is like A&B says. No death. They sung Kumbaya and frolicked the meadows hand in hand with the Conquistadors.

It was the fault of the European for carrying diseases?

Yeah, but the smallpox blankets thing wasn't exactly accidental.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Oh, absolutely. The Taino went extinct, the Incas disappeared... totally. Years of slavery and forced conversions... no, absolutely. It is like A&B says. No death. They sung Kumbaya and frolicked the meadows hand in hand with the Conquistadors.

WHY DO YOU GUYS KEEP FORGETTING THE AZTECS AND THE MAYANS

I has a sad now

Them too. Sorry.

[Harpers Ferry]

Oh, absolutely. The Taino went extinct, the Incas disappeared... totally. Years of slavery and forced conversions... no, absolutely. It is like A&B says. No death. They sung Kumbaya and frolicked the meadows hand in hand with the Conquistadors.

It was the fault of the European for carrying diseases?

No, but the raping, burning, and slaughtering of the natives was

[Kelinfort]

Oh, absolutely. The Taino went extinct, the Incas disappeared... totally. Years of slavery and forced conversions... no, absolutely. It is like A&B says. No death. They sung Kumbaya and frolicked the meadows hand in hand with the Conquistadors.

It was the fault of the European for carrying diseases?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encomienda

Read.

[Cyrisnia]

Not perfect? That's far-fetched. He wasn't 'imperfect'. He was far worse. He was plain malicious. He had a 9-year old wife (and many other wives due to his polygamy), he conquered the entire Arabian peninsula (not as a 'peaceful' prophet would do), and his successors (caliphs) conquered the rest of Northern Africa, Israel, and attempted to conquer Europe as well, by the way of Spain. They nearly succeeded in taking Austria at one point as well, in addition to Rome.

Dude do you even understand Islamic history?

No.

So shut up.

He can't understand it.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

WHY DO YOU GUYS KEEP FORGETTING THE AZTECS AND THE MAYANS

I has a sad now

Them too. Sorry.

[SuperFruitland]

Not perfect? That's far-fetched. He wasn't 'imperfect'. He was far worse. He was plain malicious. He had a 9-year old wife (and many other wives due to his polygamy), he conquered the entire Arabian peninsula (not as a 'peaceful' prophet would do), and his successors (caliphs) conquered the rest of Northern Africa, Israel, and attempted to conquer Europe as well, by the way of Spain. They nearly succeeded in taking Austria at one point as well, in addition to Rome.

Dude do you even understand Islamic history?

No.

So shut up.

*7th grade history in all of America, not sure about other countries

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It was the fault of the European for carrying diseases?

No, but the raping, burning, and slaughtering of the natives was

Not counting the slavery.

[Senyosu]

Jesus himself didn't, but remember your history. How did Christianity spread? By fire and sword.

I am well aware of my history. Though spread is a rather meticulous word to use in such a context. It did 'spread' throughout the Roman empire under persecution, and eventually through Constantine gain top political influence. The amount of 'holy wars' IE, crusades, subjugation's and to a lesser degree colonization in Christianity is relatively limited though not few, even though they are dwarfed by relatively secular conflicts in scale if not in scope.

If Jesus however had said things like 'Slay the infidel wherever you find him' or 'Wage war against the unbelievers' you can be certain that history would look quite different. The problem is, the prophet of the southern religion did say such things, and as a result one can see the history of Islam the way it developed.

Maybe it was due to the tribalist nature of Arabia during Mohammed's time. Tribes and clans would use warfare to settle things. He was possibly using what he knew to secure the dominance of the new (at that time) Abrahamic religion in Arabia.

[Sun Wukong]

It was the fault of the European for carrying diseases?

Oh please, diseases were hardly the issue here. Forced labor was. Slavery. Do open a fucking history book. The ignorance is outstanding.

You know the only place where you can find DNA from the indigenous people of Hispaniola? The Canary Islands. Where a moderate number of them were imported as slaves. All of the ones in Hispaniola proper, all of them, died. The "natives" you find on that Island currently are the decedents of people imported from nearby islands, and Beothuk. Again, as slaves.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Jesus himself didn't, but remember your history. How did Christianity spread? By fire and sword.

I am well aware of my history. Though spread is a rather meticulous word to use in such a context. It did 'spread' throughout the Roman empire under persecution, and eventually through Constantine gain top political influence. The amount of 'holy wars' IE, crusades, subjugation's and to a lesser degree colonization in Christianity is relatively limited though not few, even though they are dwarfed by relatively secular conflicts in scale if not in scope.

If Jesus however had said things like 'Slay the infidel wherever you find him' or 'Wage war against the unbelievers' you can be certain that history would look quite different. The problem is, the prophet of the southern religion did say such things, and as a result one can see the history of Islam the way it developed.

Focusing on Jesus or Mohammed alone is really irrelevant. Focus on the negative adherents who twisted their religion to conquer and kill. Christianity is not innocent here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christiani ... n_violence

I'm not ignoring that Islam has spawned several wars and there's been violence involved with it, but to ignore Christianity's equal bloody history is fucking disingenuous.

[Harpers Ferry]

No, but the raping, burning, and slaughtering of the natives was

Not counting the slavery.

That too. Among countless other crimes.

[Napkiraly]

See, I don't see that at all. The Christian gospel was spread peaceably. Do you realize that the Islamic thieves that stole Israel from the Jews held it for over five hundred years before the Pope and the Byzantines finally stepped in?

Why must we resort to the 'well, Christianity did this as well' argument and dodge the facts that Islam has way more blood on its hands than anyone else.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages ... .htm#other

-giant snip about how Islam is ebul-

Do we really have to mention the Crusades/the Spanish Inquisition/every other mass killing that Christians committed against Protestants (subset of the SAME RELIGION) Muslims, and others?

Muslims are the modern killers, if you want to put it that way.

Christians have been the killers throughout most of history.

Most of history? Wut.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Oh please, diseases were hardly the issue here. Forced labor was. Slavery. Do open a fucking history book. The ignorance is outstanding.

You know the only place where you can find DNA from the indigenous people of Hispaniola? The Canary Islands. Where a moderate number of them were imported as slaves. All of the ones in Hispaniola proper, all of them, died. The "natives" you find on that Island currently are the decedents of people imported from nearby islands, and Beothuk. Again, as slaves.

Indeed, but of course we're going to blame it on disease. The poor Europeans were incapable of forcing the natives into slavery. How could they? They were the saviors huuuurrr!! Lets ignore history and craft a world of magic and wonder.

Seriously Sun, the ignorance in that A&B post is too grating.