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Postby Olerand » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:54 pm

Syndicapolis wrote:The West has a grudge against Islam due to 9/11. Since that happened, ALL terrorist attacks are carried out by Muslims, and ones by other groups or groups that the US government likes are steadfastly ignored. That's irrational, but since when were these tantrum-throwing, pouting people in government rational?

Regarding why Germans weren't all blamed for Nazi atrocities, I think they would have been if the US hadn't found a more formidable opponent in the USSR. The US government was preoccupied with the. Cold War, Red Scare and just generally trying to convince everyone that communism was eeeeeviiiiil, so they didn't really have time to antagonise Germany. Also, the USSR helped in the fight against Germany's (blatant) fascism, and it wouldn't have been useful for the US to have people recalling that.

The Germans were blamed, though.

The Allies made German citizens go into the concentration and death camps and bury the bodies. Germany was occupied. The entire nation had to go through de-nazification. They weren't harshly punished, however, because the Allies thought it would recreate the situation after the Versailles Treaty, and they needed a stronger Western Germany to resist Soviet influence.

As for the East, the Soviets made the East Germans pay serious reparations, and ethnically cleansed much of what is now Poland of its German inhabitants.

The Germans were certainly blamed.
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Postby Saegan » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:59 pm

Because of 9/11, the resulting wars, and the media's portrayal of Islam as the religion of terroists and villains. It's truly sad that all Islamic people are associated with terroism and evil due to the actions of a few radicals.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:09 pm

Saegan wrote:Because of 9/11, the resulting wars, and the media's portrayal of Islam as the religion of terroists and villains. It's truly sad that all Islamic people are associated with terroism and evil due to the actions of a few radicals.


The fact that in several countries muslims are overrepresented in crime figures does not help either of course. Even though that probably is more due to poverty etc. than their religion.
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Postby The Borderline Borderlands » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:13 pm

It probably doesn't help either that a huge chunk of Muslims are socially so conservative they almost make the American religious right look progressive.

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Postby Olerand » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:17 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Saegan wrote:Because of 9/11, the resulting wars, and the media's portrayal of Islam as the religion of terroists and villains. It's truly sad that all Islamic people are associated with terroism and evil due to the actions of a few radicals.


The fact that in several countries muslims are overrepresented in crime figures does not help either of course. Even though that probably is more due to poverty etc. than their religion.

While I completely acknowledge the segregation and poverty that many Muslims live in in Europe, to absolve them of any part in this is foolhardy.

Many actually don't want to integrate.

The Borderline Borderlands wrote:It probably doesn't help either that a huge chunk of Muslims are socially so conservative they almost make the American religious right look progressive.

Quite true.
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Postby Manisdog » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:20 pm

I don't hate Islam during Eid celeberations, my muslim neighbours make specially veg food cooked for us in a separate vessels, they also offer us sweets and celebrate Diwali along with us, many of my friends are muslim and we sit and drink chai and cigarette together at local joints and whenever we go to a bar,they don't touch alcohol but drink a coke instead, I don't hate them at all, so the point of them being socially conservative is moot
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Postby Sociobiology » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:41 pm

Araksasya wrote:Just because of 9/11, c'mon 13 years ago, a lunatic fringe group did a horrible thing, but now peoplehave so much hate. We don't hate Germans because of Hitler and Nazis but yet we hate Muslims because of al-Qaeda and Bin Laden?

actually a lot of people hated germans for a long time.
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Postby The Borderline Borderlands » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:55 pm

Sociobiology wrote:actually a lot of people hated germans for a long time.


I'm just old enough to have had grandparents that lived through WWII. I remember a great deal of anti-German sentiment growing up. Or let's just call it what it was: pure, undiluted hatred.

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Postby Baltenstein » Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:25 pm

I would actually argue that the dynamics of mutual hostility and alienation between large parts of the European majority populations and their respective Muslim minorities are a lot more reminiscient of the tensions between blacks and whites in the US (if you look at the numbers concerning education, poverty, unemployment, crime, choice of neighborhood etc, the parallels are all there) and have less to do with the endless violence in the Islamic world. The latter is just the icing on the cake.
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Baltenstein wrote:I would actually argue that the dynamics of mutual hostility and alienation between large parts of the European majority populations and their respective Muslim minorities are a lot more reminiscient of the tensions between blacks and whites in the US (if you look at the numbers concerning education, poverty, unemployment, crime, choice of neighborhood etc, the parallels are all there) and have less to do with the endless violence in the Islamic world. The latter is just the icing on the cake.


The latter is a manifestation, I would think, but the hatred against Muslims has a lot more to do with xenophobia and the belief that immigrants dilute Judeo-Christian identity (which does not exist) and take people's jobs (which is a fallacious economic argument), and people conjure up Islamophobic, culturally arrogant theories about the cultural inferiority of Muslims to create a faux justification for hatred and intolerance.
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Postby The Risen Jaguar Warriors » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:32 am

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Postby Baltenstein » Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:13 am

Divitaen wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:I would actually argue that the dynamics of mutual hostility and alienation between large parts of the European majority populations and their respective Muslim minorities are a lot more reminiscient of the tensions between blacks and whites in the US (if you look at the numbers concerning education, poverty, unemployment, crime, choice of neighborhood etc, the parallels are all there) and have less to do with the endless violence in the Islamic world. The latter is just the icing on the cake.


The latter is a manifestation, I would think, but the hatred against Muslims has a lot more to do with xenophobia and the belief that immigrants dilute Judeo-Christian identity (which does not exist) and take people's jobs (which is a fallacious economic argument), and people conjure up Islamophobic, culturally arrogant theories about the cultural inferiority of Muslims to create a faux justification for hatred and intolerance.


You didn't adress the dynamics of social alienation I mentioned. White flight is real. A German, a Brit or a Swede can be the most open-minded, multicultural person in the world and deliberately live in a multi-ethnic neighborhood, but as soon as it comes to sending their own kids to a immigrant-majority public school? Nope, off to a private school or a better neighborhood it is then.
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Postby Divitaen » Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:14 am

Baltenstein wrote:
Divitaen wrote:
The latter is a manifestation, I would think, but the hatred against Muslims has a lot more to do with xenophobia and the belief that immigrants dilute Judeo-Christian identity (which does not exist) and take people's jobs (which is a fallacious economic argument), and people conjure up Islamophobic, culturally arrogant theories about the cultural inferiority of Muslims to create a faux justification for hatred and intolerance.


You didn't adress the dynamics of social alienation I mentioned. White flight is real. A German, a Brit or a Swede can be the most open-minded, multicultural person in the world and deliberately live in a multi-ethnic neighborhood, but as soon as it comes to sending their own kids to a immigrant-majority public school? Nope, off to a private school or a better neighborhood it is then.


That is true, and I believe that that white flight and desire to alienate and force them the Muslims into segregated neighbourhoods stems from Islamophobic xenophobia.
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Postby Olerand » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:03 am

Divitaen wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:I would actually argue that the dynamics of mutual hostility and alienation between large parts of the European majority populations and their respective Muslim minorities are a lot more reminiscient of the tensions between blacks and whites in the US (if you look at the numbers concerning education, poverty, unemployment, crime, choice of neighborhood etc, the parallels are all there) and have less to do with the endless violence in the Islamic world. The latter is just the icing on the cake.


The latter is a manifestation, I would think, but the hatred against Muslims has a lot more to do with xenophobia and the belief that immigrants dilute Judeo-Christian identity (which does not exist) and take people's jobs (which is a fallacious economic argument), and people conjure up Islamophobic, culturally arrogant theories about the cultural inferiority of Muslims to create a faux justification for hatred and intolerance.

Few in Western Europe(Eastern Europe has almost no Muslim immigrants) are concerned with the Judeo-Christian identity of the continent.

There are some areas of our nations, however, that have effectively become "no-go zones". People are understandably not fans.

Also, the rise of religiosity in the Muslim communities, while religiosity declines in the general population, can only lead to, at best, suspicion and concern.
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Because right-wing politicians love to have a scapegoat to blame, instead of facing the real problems (ie, wealth inequality, power of financial markets, tax heavens, ...). In the 30s the scapegoat was the Jews, nowadays it's the Muslims.
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Postby Asigna » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:50 am

Sharia law. When you read it, you tend to ask questions, how did Islam become a religion in the first place when it alienates a whole lot of people? The Jizya, the stoning of deemed adulterers, choosing outright punishment over mercy of the sinner and many others.
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Postby Aryavartha » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:56 am

it is islam that hates me.

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Postby Asigna » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:57 am

Aryavartha wrote:it is islam that hates me.


How can i sum up everything better than this?
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Postby Ereria » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:16 am

Aryavartha wrote:it is islam that hates me.


No we don't mate don't worry. It isn't up to us muslims to judge another person when we are sinner we self.

There are some areas of our nations, however, that have effectively become "no-go zones". People are understandably not fans.

Also, the rise of religiosity in the Muslim communities, while religiosity declines in the general population, can only lead to, at best, suspicion and concern.


Can I have some source for this, about the muslim communities becoming more religious?
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The Borderline Borderlands wrote:It probably doesn't help either that a huge chunk of Muslims are socially so conservative they almost make the American religious right look progressive.

This.

Asigna wrote:Sharia law. When you read it, you tend to ask questions, how did Islam become a religion in the first place when it alienates a whole lot of people? The Jizya, the stoning of deemed adulterers, choosing outright punishment over mercy of the sinner and many others.

And this.
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The rise of the Islamist movement, it's acts of barbarism and terror. Also the theocracy, barbarism, and human rights violations by many Muslim majority Countries.
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Why do I hate Islam?
I hate Islam because of Palestine. I hate Islam because of Jihad. I hate Islam because the Muslims are trying to make nuclear weapons. I hate Islam because they are going to seize all of Europe. I hate Islam because of terrorism mainly caused by them. I hate Islam because they hate Christianity and Judaism. If they won't stop hating Israel and Europe, they will have to die or convert.
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Islamism is one of the most serious threats to stable democratic states in the third world and it's the lever being used by terrorist groups to recruit and expand their influence.
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Western-Ukraine wrote:Why do I hate Islam?
I hate Islam because of Palestine. I hate Islam because of Jihad. I hate Islam because the Muslims are trying to make nuclear weapons. I hate Islam because they are going to seize all of Europe. I hate Islam because of terrorism mainly caused by them. I hate Islam because they hate Christianity and Judaism. If they won't stop hating Israel and Europe, they will have to die or convert.

I see in your Signature that you don't like France. So, what's your felt about it when it's completly obvious France'll give to Russia boats to help fucking with the pro-Europe putchist governement?
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Western-Ukraine wrote:Why do I hate Islam?
I hate Islam because of Palestine. I hate Islam because of Jihad. I hate Islam because the Muslims are trying to make nuclear weapons. I hate Islam because they are going to seize all of Europe. I hate Islam because of terrorism mainly caused by them. I hate Islam because they hate Christianity and Judaism. If they won't stop hating Israel and Europe, they will have to die or convert.

I see in your Signature that you don't like France. So, what's your felt about it when it's completly obvious France'll give to Russia boats to help fucking with the pro-Europe putchist governement?

I don't understand you. France? I haven't even mentioned France in my signature.
And what you said has nothing to do with Islam.
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