Secularism: Good or Bad?

[Twilight Imperium]

In all cases where a desk is used as a weapon, the human body may without modification of use of tool be used as an equivalently or more effective weapon. Since desks aren't making anything more dangerous, their removal constitutes an undue burden.

I'll make myself explicit then:
Objects which have inherent weaponized intent, as well as objects made to resemble or mimic them, are not acceptable on school grounds.
All such objects cause disruptions of the school environment and are capable of no benefit on school grounds. Their banning from school grounds does not constitute any burdens for anyone without religious attachment to such items. Such a religious attachment is irrelevant to the disruption caused, and is not a concern of the school. No exceptions will be made.
The danger posed by an easily concealable weapon of lethal capability is cause for maximum strictness in the application of a ban in order to preserve safety on school grounds.

Better?

a) I still have no idea where you're getting this, chairs around here at least are seven pound constructs of plastic and steel that would do a lot more damage to someone than my hand. But fine, whatever -

b) We'll have to agree to disagree on the poor Sikh kid.

[Shiie]

I disagree with secularism because things are less trouble after people have the same beliefs.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

In all cases where a desk is used as a weapon, the human body may without modification of use of tool be used as an equivalently or more effective weapon. Since desks aren't making anything more dangerous, their removal constitutes an undue burden.

I'll make myself explicit then:
Objects which have inherent weaponized intent, as well as objects made to resemble or mimic them, are not acceptable on school grounds.
All such objects cause disruptions of the school environment and are capable of no benefit on school grounds. Their banning from school grounds does not consti

tute any burdens for anyone without religious attachment to such items. Such a religious attachment is irrelevant to the disruption caused, and is not a concern of the school. No exceptions will be made.
The danger posed by an easily concealable weapon of lethal capability is cause for maximum strictness in the application of a ban in order to preserve safety on school grounds.

Better?

a) I still have no idea where you're getting this, chairs around here at least are seven pound constructs of plastic and steel that would do a lot more damage to someone than my hand. But fine, whatever -

b) We'll have to agree to disagree on the poor Sikh kid.

I've had desks in classrooms that weight around 15 pounds minimum (a barebones desk, not even a significant steel desk) sorta like these:

Of course, we also had these:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nKkLyBFGkSA/T2B4UJHQUpI/AAAAAAAAAZA/_z0Ve3mZ1lM/s1600/vintage+school+desk.JPG

Besides chairs of course.

It's not wholly unreasonable that you can do damage with any of these considering their relative weights and that any school student of sufficient age and strength can pick it up without an extraordinary effort and get creative with it.

[The Union of Tentacles and Grapes]

In all cases where a desk is used as a weapon, the human body may without modification of use of tool be used as an equivalently or more effective weapon. Since desks aren't making anything more dangerous, their removal constitutes an undue burden.

I'll make myself explicit then:
Objects which have inherent weaponized intent, as well as objects made to resemble or mimic them, are not acceptable on school grounds.
All such objects cause disruptions of the school environment and are capable of no benefit on school grounds. Their banning from school grounds does not constitute any burdens for anyone without religious attachment to such items. Such a religious attachment is irrelevant to the disruption caused, and is not a concern of the school. No exceptions will be made.
The danger posed by an easily concealable weapon of lethal capability is cause for maximum strictness in the application of a ban in order to preserve safety on school grounds.

Better?

a) I still have no idea where you're getting this, chairs around here at least are seven pound constructs of plastic and steel that would do a lot more damage to someone than my hand. But fine, whatever -

b) We'll have to agree to disagree on the poor Sikh kid.

But in all seriousness, A seven pound chair isn't adding any mechanical advantage, but is adding a lot of flexibility to the applied force and slowing you down. Your hand, perhaps. But I doubt you're the kind of person to start wailing on someone with a chair.

The poor sikh kid can carry a plastic butterknife issued from the school cafeteria. Otherwise he's out a knife or school.

EDIT: that chair in the spoiler is somewhat more dangerous than those hollow plastic bats. Light, low density, floppy, and you can't ever hit someone anywhere near where the momentum would tranfer well.
The chair pic you linked to is not in the same category. I don't want to get dropkicked in the head, but I definitely don't want that thing to hit me in the head either. I also wouldn't want to sit in that thing.

[Twilight Imperium]

I've had desks in classrooms that weight around 15 pounds minimum (a barebones desk, not even a significant steel desk) sorta like these:

Yeah, we have those around here too. The metal ones, not the old fashioned ones We also have ones that are sort of the same style, but the chair and desk parts are separate. Maybe UoTaG lives in a place where the furniture is made of straw?

[Frisiiland]

Letting people go to hell for some secular values is immoral and wrong.

[Fanosolia]

Letting people go to hell for some secular values is immoral and wrong.

for the values of treating religion equally?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

But in all seriousness, A seven pound chair isn't adding any mechanical advantage, but is adding a lot of flexibility to the applied force and slowing you down. Your hand, perhaps. But I doubt you're the kind of person to start wailing on someone with a chair.

We get it, you don't think anyone wily and strong enough can actually pick up a chair or a desk and do damage with it and that the chances of getting severely injured by a desk is extremely unlikely in a classroom. Not like that has stopped people though.

[Shiie]

Letting people go to hell for some secular values is immoral and wrong.

Everyone should believe this but they don't; there's war & there's hate because they don't.

[Communist Volkstrad]

Letting people go to hell for some secular values is immoral and wrong.

What gives you the right to force your beliefs on others? If secular values are wrong, then Islamic Caliphates are acceptable to you.

[Indira]

A good thing. A VERY good thing

[Shiie]

Letting people go to hell for some secular values is immoral and wrong.

for the values of treating religion equally?

There shouldn't be more than one religion.

[Oceans Haven]

A school desk is more of a deadly weapon than a blunt knife to be honest.

You can't hide a desk in your pocket, and good luck carrying a desk out of view of staff to get away with bashing someone into a hospital. Removal of desks is also a non-starter due to my stated views on the subject: that any interventions not constitute some sort of undue burden. It's hard to do much in class without a desk.

i agree. i have no problem with people wearing religious clothing but in school knives should just not be allowed. least up until college

[Twilight Imperium]

But in all seriousness, A seven pound chair isn't adding any mechanical advantage, but is adding a lot of flexibility to the applied force and slowing you down. Your hand, perhaps. But I doubt you're the kind of person to start wailing on someone with a chair.

Being beaten with a hammer has the same issues. But that's pretty much the same thing as a fist, right?

The poor sikh kid can carry a plastic butterknife issued from the school cafeteria. Otherwise he's out a knife or school.

Fortunately for him, the people at his school disagree with you.

[Shiie]

A good thing. A VERY good thing

It's not a good thing, it's a global mistake.

[Communist Volkstrad]

Letting people go to hell for some secular values is immoral and wrong.

Everyone should believe this but they don't; there's war & there's hate because they don't.

No, nobody should believe it. It's mythology created thousands of years ago. There's war and hate because of greed. If everyone believed in the same religion, there would still be war and hate. There will always be hatred, there will always be war.

[Armadrone]

I think secularism is a very good thing, however secularism is dying in america. Christianity effects legislation and politics on a massive scale. America is nowhere near secular. Atheist people cannot even run for office in some states. Every president is sworn in through a bible. Thats why i like some aspects of militant Atheism because it combats those things. However I would not go as far as to say that if you're religious you're an inferior human being, that would be hateful.

[Shiie]

The poor sikh kid can carry a plastic butterknife issued from the school cafeteria. Otherwise he's out a knife or school.

He's the wrong religion, Christianity, Judaism, or Islam wouldn't make him carry a knife in school.

[Fanosolia]

for the values of treating religion equally?

There shouldn't be more than one religion.

Then there also shouldn't me more than one political standing should there?

[The Union of Tentacles and Grapes]

But in all seriousness, A seven pound chair isn't adding any mechanical advantage, but is adding a lot of flexibility to the applied force and slowing you down. Your hand, perhaps. But I doubt you're the kind of person to start wailing on someone with a chair.

Being beaten with a hammer has the same issues. But that's pretty much the same thing as a fist, right?

The poor sikh kid can carry a plastic butterknife issued from the school cafeteria. Otherwise he's out a knife or school.

Fortunately for him, the people at his school disagree with you.

A hammer is less flexible than your arm and all meaningful weight is in a direction that enhances the instantaneous blunt force. A hammer is not a chair.

I think that the administrators at his school suck at their jobs and they are without a doubt giving explicit religious advantages. They're allowing students to get away with more merely due to religious claims.

[Shiie]

There shouldn't be more than one religion.

Then there also shouldn't me more than one political standing should there?

No, there damn well shouldn't be more than one political standing if there's going to be arguments about stupid subtle differences that don't even matter.

[Communist Volkstrad]

Then there also shouldn't me more than one political standing should there?

No, there damn well shouldn't be more than one political standing if there's going to be arguments about stupid subtle differences that don't even matter.

That's a foolish way to run things. People have different beliefs, experiences, and opinions and should be able to express them.

[Harpers Ferry]

A good thing. A VERY good thing

It's not a good thing, it's a global mistake.

Because as we all know, theocracy has done nothing but good in the world.

[Fanosolia]

Then there also shouldn't me more than one political standing should there?

No, there damn well shouldn't be more than one political standing if there's going to be arguments about stupid subtle differences that don't even matter.

you may need to wake up and realize that way thinking is a fantasy. Doesn't matter if you have one or more political standings, you're going to get war and uprising either way.

[Utceforp]

The poor sikh kid can carry a plastic butterknife issued from the school cafeteria. Otherwise he's out a knife or school.

He's the wrong religion,

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