"Get Off Of My Side!": Embarrassing Allies

[The Blaatschapen]

I guess we should be thankful that Hitler had an ally like Italy. They were shooting themselves in the foot the whole war.

To be fair, their country is boot shaped. Shooting in the foot comes naturally when you're on the defense.

[The Borderline Borderlands]

To be fair, their country is boot shaped. Shooting in the foot comes naturally when you're on the defense.

+1 hilarious truth point to you, good sir.

[Imperializt Russia]

My threads are rarely named with direct headlines. I like to be humorous.

My thread from may 2012 about reformation of the child support system is mainly a men's issue. Among women, even women who have lost custody of their children, being required to pay child support is pretty rare.

Of my friends whose mothers ended up with custody (partial and eventually full when their fathers lost interest), it seems like fathers actually having to pay child support is also pretty fucking rare.

I assume the point is that the "deadbeat dad" stereotype not paying child support is a societal punchline. Yet it's unheard of and allegedly not pursued in the case of women.

[Galloism]

My threads are rarely named with direct headlines. I like to be humorous.

My thread from may 2012 about reformation of the child support system is mainly a men's issue. Among women, even women who have lost custody of their children, being required to pay child support is pretty rare.

Of my friends whose mothers ended up with custody (partial and eventually full when their fathers lost interest), it seems like fathers actually having to pay child support is also pretty fucking rare.

Eh, typically in that case the court has ordered child support, but the person either can't pay or decides to try to dodge. This is further complicated if the person received state aid, as the state steals takes child support as reimbursement for aid second, after taking it to pay penalties and interest for late payment. Last of all, the custodial parent gets payment.

Suffice to say, if anyone gets behind on child support ever, chances are all the money from it will go to the state forever more, and the custodial parent won't see a damn dime. One of the many problems of the system.

However, in the case of noncustodial mothers, it's far more likely no support will be ordered at all. We've had a thread on the topic. If memory serves it was a TJ thread.

[Dakini]

Of my friends whose mothers ended up with custody (partial and eventually full when their fathers lost interest), it seems like fathers actually having to pay child support is also pretty fucking rare.

Eh, typically in that case the court has ordered child support, but the person either can't pay or decides to try to dodge. This is further complicated if the person received state aid, as the state steals takes child support as reimbursement for aid second, after taking it to pay penalties and interest for late payment. Last of all, the custodial parent gets payment.

Suffice to say, if anyone gets behind on child support ever, chances are all the money from it will go to the state forever more, and the custodial parent won't see a damn dime. One of the many problems of the system.

However, in the case of noncustodial mothers, it's far more likely no support will be ordered at all. We've had a thread on the topic. If memory serves it was a TJ thread.

Due to issues where he consistently misrepresenting sources, I do not see TJ's posts and do not frequent his threads.

From what I've generally heard, in the USA if you want to avoid paying child support, you just have to move to a different state. In Canada, it seems possible to avoid paying without moving to a different province, especially if your spouse has re-married (even if you have an agreement with your spouse that includes promises to contribute financially to your child's university education) or you know, if the custodial parent is too poor to afford a lawyer and not on welfare, then you never get your ex to pay for his child because the court never hears about it.

[Galloism]

It appears your criticism is apropos in this case me making a thread specifically to deal with one of these issues: I've not made that many new threads in the past couple years, and I haven't made a single one on men's issues since 2012 (although I'm glad I perused it anyway - the trailer hitch thread, although short, made me laugh all over again. One completely forgot about it. ) I've been mostly harping on racism, corporate corruption, and the IRS.

I should correct that.

Would you care to collaborate on a discussion of MRA's?

You're clearly educated and fairly sharp, and we could post a joint OP (under my nation or yours, but it would be stated that it was joint and that we are inviting others to peacefully join a cogent debate between us on what what is being done to men in this country).

I think two people entering into the discussion with a gentlemen's agreement to keep it about the issues and facts, to do it fairly and without making it personal, could lead to a solid debate. If I compose my half of the OP and post it, will you send me what you want edited into the OP as your half?

MRAs are of very little interest to me.

Now if you meant something like discussing male rape victims or make domestic violence victims, our the sexist treatment of the criminal justice system, I might take you up on that. Those are worthy things to discuss.

(Particularly about male victims of domestic violence, given the recorded retributive acts of violence and cuts of funding, along with professional threats, perpetrated in an attempt to suppress research on the subject. I have very little patience for people who use violence to suppress research. )

[Galloism]

Eh, typically in that case the court has ordered child support, but the person either can't pay or decides to try to dodge. This is further complicated if the person received state aid, as the state steals takes child support as reimbursement for aid second, after taking it to pay penalties and interest for late payment. Last of all, the custodial parent gets payment.

Suffice to say, if anyone gets behind on child support ever, chances are all the money from it will go to the state forever more, and the custodial parent won't see a damn dime. One of the many problems of the system.

However, in the case of noncustodial mothers, it's far more likely no support will be ordered at all. We've had a thread on the topic. If memory serves it was a TJ thread.

Due to issues where he consistently misrepresenting sources, I do not see TJ's posts and do not frequent his threads.

From what I've generally heard, in the USA if you want to avoid paying child support, you just have to move to a different state. In Canada, it seems possible to avoid paying without moving to a different province, especially if your spouse has re-married (even if you have an agreement with your spouse that includes promises to contribute financially to your child's university education) or you know, if you're too poor to afford a lawyer and not on welfare, then you never get your ex to pay for his child because the court never hears about it.

It's not quite that simple (it once was) now that most states (if not all) require that employers submit the employee's information to a state database which queries a federal database to exchange information, looking for child support obligations. It does take about two - three weeks.

I'm not sure about the situation in Canada, but in the US we have plenty of lawyers in this field who work on contingency, as child support collection is one of the most robust collection systems in the nation. Even the IRS is jealous of it.

However, now you're hijacking this thread.

[Dakini]

Due to issues where he consistently misrepresenting sources, I do not see TJ's posts and do not frequent his threads.

From what I've generally heard, in the USA if you want to avoid paying child support, you just have to move to a different state. In Canada, it seems possible to avoid paying without moving to a different province, especially if your spouse has re-married (even if you have an agreement with your spouse that includes promises to contribute financially to your child's university education) or you know, if you're too poor to afford a lawyer and not on welfare, then you never get your ex to pay for his child because the court never hears about it.

It's not quite that simple (it once was) now that most states (if not all) require that employers submit the employee's information to a state database which queries a federal database to exchange information, looking for child support obligations. It does take about two - three weeks.

I'm not sure about the situation in Canada, but in the US we have plenty of lawyers in this field who work on contingency, as child support collection is one of the most robust collection systems in the nation. Even the IRS is jealous of it.

However, now you're hijacking this thread.

This is entirely possible, I don't know much about the system in the US (especially the current system). And yeah, moving on etc.

[Transyl]

I am embarrassed to be around anyone who thinks they're always right, when they are just down right wrong. For example my brother. My brother once was arguing with someone about cheetahs..Idk why but it happened when me and him and my friend were all hanging out together one day. My brother tried saying cheetahs had stripes..my friend said no, they have spots you idiot. He argued with her for over an hour, I don't know how many times I hit my head on my hand in embarrassment but after the argument was over my forehead was bruised..Sheesh everybody knows that cheetahs have spots. To this day he still thinks he's right.

You couldn't just show him a picture of a cheetah?

I tried and he said the picture was fake, that just proves how stubborn he is i guess.

[Transoxthraxia]

As a libertarian, Rand and Ron Paul. Idiots. Give us a bad name.

[Dejanic]

As a worker in the UK, "White Van Dan", that reactionary prick doesn't represent me or the working class of the UK.

As a man, MRA'S don't represent me.

As someone who doesn't believe in god(s)/is irreligious, the "New Atheists" like Sam Harris, Dawkins, the late Hitchens, don't represent me.

As a Leftist, the Stalinists don't represent me.

[Dejanic]

As a libertarian, Rand and Ron Paul. Idiots. Give us a bad name.

To be fair, they're Libertarian Conservatives anyway, or at least Ron is. Rand is just a typical Conservative who happens dislikes war.

[Neo Rome Republic]

The Leftists who are too politically correct, the ones who are too spineless, appeasing others, and always insist on not "offending" feelings, those who classify criticism of Islam as "racism", and those who are too soft on crime. Also those who fail to see the flaws of the USSR.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

The Leftists who are too politically correct, the ones who are too spineless, appeasing others, and always insist on not "offending" feelings, those who classify criticism of Islam as "racism", and those who are too soft on crime.

I... feel... tempted...

[Lexcronica]

Those who support Stalin.

It was a Socialist state working towards Communism.

This guy, for example...

I was laughing so hard reading this, and then was sad as i realized most people probably don't even know what communism is only that it's bad cause reasons, aka that's what the goverment said and they never lie about anything obviously :3

[The Grey Wolf]

I guess we should be thankful that Hitler had an ally like Italy. They were shooting themselves in the foot the whole war.

I think it was the other way around.

[Greater Weselton]

Muslim extremists are the most embarrassing allies for Christian conspiracy theorists.

[Fortschritte]

As a libertarian, Rand and Ron Paul. Idiots. Give us a bad name.

I'd hardly consider either men to be libertarians. But, that's for another thread.

[The New Sea Territory]

Certain anarcho-punk bands like The Exploited that tend to be very immature sensationalists rather than ideological anarchists.

[The New Sea Territory]

As a libertarian, Rand and Ron Paul. Idiots. Give us a bad name.

To be fair, they're Libertarian Conservatives anyway, or at least Ron is. Rand is just a typical Conservative who happens dislikes war.

"Libertarian Conservative" is nearly the same as saying "Liberal Fascist". They are mutually exclusive.

[Fortschritte]

As a centre left progressive, I'd say that Hollywood Liberals, like Michael Moore and Sean Penn, largely agree with me, but I can't stand their hypocrisy and o'contrarian attitude towards politics.

Also, people like Bill Maher, and "New Atheists" are so stubborn and intolerant, and they are not representative of most of the atheistic community.

[The New Sea Territory]

As a centre left progressive, I'd say that Hollywood Liberals, like Michael Moore and Stephen Penn, largely agree with me, but I can't stand their hypocrisy and o'contrarian attitude towards politics.

Also, people like Bill Maher, and "New Atheists" are so stubborn and intolerant, and they are not representative of most of the atheistic community.

New Atheists are merely uncompromising. They don't have to tolerate intolerance, as most of "liberal" America is in favor of.

[Laerod]

As a centre left progressive, I'd say that Hollywood Liberals, like Michael Moore and Stephen Penn, largely agree with me, but I can't stand their hypocrisy and o'contrarian attitude towards politics.

Also, people like Bill Maher, and "New Atheists" are so stubborn and intolerant, and they are not representative of most of the atheistic community.

Sean Penn, surely.

[Fortschritte]

As a centre left progressive, I'd say that Hollywood Liberals, like Michael Moore and Stephen Penn, largely agree with me, but I can't stand their hypocrisy and o'contrarian attitude towards politics.

Also, people like Bill Maher, and "New Atheists" are so stubborn and intolerant, and they are not representative of most of the atheistic community.

Sean Penn, surely.

Shit, I can't believe I forgot his first name. I just watched a great movie starring him, and then did research on the actor, where I learned that he was a smug hypocrite. God damn, I feel silly.

[Neo Rome Republic]

As a centre left progressive, I'd say that Hollywood Liberals, like Michael Moore and Stephen Penn, largely agree with me, but I can't stand their hypocrisy and o'contrarian attitude towards politics.

Also, people like Bill Maher, and "New Atheists" are so stubborn and intolerant, and they are not representative of most of the atheistic community.

New Atheists are merely uncompromising. They don't have to tolerate intolerance, as most of "liberal" America is in favor of.

Criticism isn't really "intolerance" either. If we're not going around trying to outlaw Religion, then we're merely critical not "intolerant". I find nothing wrong with being harshly critical, that's something ideas endure all the time. I think the only reason people complain about it, is because it's "Religion" that we're criticizing. People sometimes confuse being "respectful" with being "tolerant". New Atheists are tolerant, just not respectful. Nothing wrong with being disrespectful, a belief isn't entitled to respect.