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Furry Alairia and Algeria
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:46 pm

Stalin: He supported better agricultural and industrial problems, equality, and true communism. The downside? He's probably the largest mass-murderer in history.

Mao Zedong honey. He killed 60,000,000 estimated by starvation, poverty, and murdered landlords.
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Postby Lolloh » Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:48 pm

I wouldn't call it as such. It's merely that communism was blocked by human nature and personal greed and lust for power.

Lenin actually managed to achieve an OK plan for "communism" under his New Economic Policy, which created a mixed-economy system, and, I think you'll agree, a mixed economy works well.
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Postby Harpers Ferry » Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:16 pm

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This guy, for example...

Great Comrade Joseph Stalin was a true hero and an inspiration for all mankind.

People like this for one. And being pretty far left and atheist, I hate those people that are atheist and advocate the complete elimination of organized religion.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:20 pm

Ray Kurzweil and his Singularitarian cult.
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Postby Threlizdun » Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:33 pm

Amongst the radical community, it often feels like it's just a contest to prove who has the biggest anarchist dick. "Yeah you're anarchist, but are you anarchist enough?" seems to be a recurring theme.
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Postby TurtleShroom » Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:45 pm

Sarah Palin. My gosh, Sarah fasting Palin. I agree with almost everything Sarah Palin says and believes (aside from her thinking that the Iraq War was neccesary, something I dispute), but every time that woman opens her mouth and that scratchy, nasally voice spits some rhetoric, I can't stand to be associated with her because she is so fasting inarticulate that no matter how good her points are, you can only focus on her inability to communicate them.

As an anti-LGBTP advocate and a Christian fundamentalist, the Westboro Cult has a particularly hated role in my mind because they are blasphemers who will rot in the depths of Hell. Worse yet, they are turning away people that God loves just as much as me or any "good" Christian. Their actions are damning more homosexual unbelievers to Hell than anything their own sin is doing to them. The entire point of being anti-gay is not to bring harm to the gays themselves, but to stop them from making their sex lives public knowledge. (What they do in private is not my business, but because they are making it public, it becomes my business. If they stopped talking about it, bullying and discrimination would vanish.)

Then there's goons like John Boehner and Mitch McConnel. They are spineless, weak-kneed cowards with no drive and no passion to their Party or to the agenda they represent. They frustrate the daylights out of me because of their perpetual do-nothing attitude and sheer idiocy in passing up all oppurtunities to fight the opposition. I despise Nancy Pelosi, but I truly admire her commitment to waht she believes in. She had the balls to stand up and do something, and while what she did was detrimental to the country, by gosh, she stuck by it. Nancy Pelosi is many things, but at least she's not a coward like Boehner.

When you oppose the demon seed of Ishmael, you really have a probably with genocidal maniacs and criminals joining you. Take that jerk butt "preacher" in Florida that burns Qu'rans. -BECAUSE THAT IS TOTALLY GOING TO HELP US REMOVE KEBAB. -and Serbia. All of Serbia. -because you can't advocate the defeat of Islam or the deportation of Muslims without being linked to genocide.

Don't forget the guy that said the Hatian Earthquake was punishment because of a voodoo blood cult that sprung up two hundred years ago, and not to mention people that dismiss evolution without considering that it would be plausible if God did it (AKA Intelligent Design) and thus insist the earth is six thousand years old.
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Postby Olivaero » Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:58 pm

Alex Salmond and the SNP and fanatic Scottish nationalists we agree about so many things but the most important part for them of their movement.
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Postby Senyosu » Fri Nov 21, 2014 8:26 pm

Richard Dawkins and every single green party politician that spoke out against nuclear energy.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Fri Nov 21, 2014 8:46 pm

Threlizdun wrote:Amongst the radical community, it often feels like it's just a contest to prove who has the biggest anarchist dick. "Yeah you're anarchist, but are you anarchist enough?" seems to be a recurring theme.

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Postby Genivaria » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:07 pm

As a leftist who loves science I can't stand the "don't mess with mother nature" crap.
As well as the cowards who think that we don't have the right to prevent a genocide in another country.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:09 pm

Bill Maher. I agree with him on most things but I can't stand him on vaccines and Islam.
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Postby Meryuma » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:25 pm

TurtleShroom wrote:The entire point of being anti-gay is not to bring harm to the gays themselves, but to stop them from making their sex lives public knowledge. (What they do in private is not my business, but because they are making it public, it becomes my business. If they stopped talking about it, bullying and discrimination would vanish.)


Straight couples holding hands in the street? Guys talking about their girlfriends at school? What perverts! No wonder their families would disown them!
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Postby -Ebola- » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:48 pm

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Is there a reason why they SHOULD mix? Why not just let people live whichever lifestyle they prefer -- urban or rural -- and just stick to what they're good at.

And what makes you think city folk have a back yard to plant trees in?


Less reliance on certain professions, equalising the farmer and urban communities, etc, drawing them to be virtually one and the same. Its communism, basically.


Why would it be a good thing to make them one and the same? Not everyone wants the same things.
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:49 pm

Olivaero wrote:Alex Salmond and the SNP and fanatic Scottish nationalists we agree about so many things but the most important part for them of their movement.

So, SNP without the separatism and nationalism?

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Postby United Kingdom of Poland » Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:04 am

Bill O'Reilly, or at least his TV personality. He seems to suffer from foot in mouth syndrome even more then most TV people what make him even worse is that when he isn't speaking as a fox news anchor he actually sounds much more intelligent then he acts on tv (if you've read his books you'd understand.) hence why I'm a Mike Huckabee fan.

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Postby Kubra » Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:25 am

first world leftists who do not make proper study of mao zedong thought, and thus recognize the dialectical necessity of the great leap forward, and the clever reasoning for the hundred flowers campaign.
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Postby Land and Freedom » Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:24 am

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As a city-boy, I agree. Mao tried to bring them together, with the great leap forward and all, but it just won't work like that.
Any mixing of the rural folk and the village city people should be done gradually, with city people help gather during harvest time and maintain their own food source, like an apple tree in the backyard, and farmers have increased urbanisation and have both groups come regularly IH contact with eachother, ideally on a daily basis.


Is there a reason why they SHOULD mix? Why not just let people live whichever lifestyle they prefer -- urban or rural -- and just stick to what they're good at.

And what makes you think city folk have a back yard to plant trees in?


The state is based in the cities, and rules over the hinterland.

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Postby Land and Freedom » Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:26 am

Lolloh wrote:I'm in favor of Communism/Socialism, but there are, unfortunately, some people who are horrible for my side:

Marx: As soon as you bring this guy up, the conservatives in the room go into McCarthy mode and refuse to listen to any argument you have to say, even if you outright refute Marxist ideology.


If you avoid dropping his name, or any really recognisable jargon, you can get most people (even those who consider themselves "conservatives") agreeing with you when you talk Marxist theory.

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Postby Land and Freedom » Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:29 am

Genivaria wrote:As a leftist who loves science I can't stand the "don't mess with mother nature" crap.
As well as the cowards who think that we don't have the right to prevent a genocide in another country.


I'm anti-imperialism, but pro-interventionist. I'm against the US moving back into further consolidate its position in the Middle East and compound the existing nightmare, but I support the thousands of volunteers joining and providing aid towards progressive Kurdish and minority organisations. Most radical leftists think this way.

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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:08 am

Land and Freedom wrote:
Lolloh wrote:I'm in favor of Communism/Socialism, but there are, unfortunately, some people who are horrible for my side:

Marx: As soon as you bring this guy up, the conservatives in the room go into McCarthy mode and refuse to listen to any argument you have to say, even if you outright refute Marxist ideology.


If you avoid dropping his name, or any really recognisable jargon, you can get most people (even those who consider themselves "conservatives") agreeing with you when you talk Marxist theory.


I have noticed this, only substitute 'libertarian socialist' with 'Marxist'.
I was amused how many Floridian tea-party leaning retirees I could have agreeing with my ideology by wording things differently if the topic of politics came up.
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Postby Laerod » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:25 am

Ragnarokee wrote:And apart from the millions of people Hitler murdered he actually benefited Germany a lot.

Stop repeating that lie.
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Postby Imasin » Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:05 am

Harpers Ferry wrote:
Empire of Narnia wrote:Great Comrade Joseph Stalin was a true hero and an inspiration for all mankind.

People like this for one. And being pretty far left and atheist, I hate those people that are atheist and advocate the complete elimination of organized religion.


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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:39 am

Laerod wrote:
Ragnarokee wrote:And apart from the millions of people Hitler murdered he actually benefited Germany a lot.

Stop repeating that lie.


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Postby Mad hatters in jeans » Sat Nov 22, 2014 5:01 am

Occidentria wrote:Then out of nowhere he starts going into how Hitler was a gay prostitute on the streets of Vienna at the age of fifteen. How he was involved in a sexual relationship with his mother that turned him gay, and how the Russians never procured his body because he escaped the bunker on April 30th, escaped to Latin America, helped prop up socialist governments until the day he died and was to blame for the strength of the gay lobby today. He went on to warn me just how pervasive the gay lobby was in the United States, too; how gay children were being permitted in scouting so they could "recruit" boys whom the gay lobby "couldn't yet reach," because they were safeguarded by the morality of the Scouts. He went on to recite a list of politicians, from Barack Obama to the Democratic county sheriff candidate, whom were all "proven Hitler occultists and in confirmated [sic] homosexual relationships," many of them with one another.

Oh, and then he went on a rant about how Russian annexation of Donetsk and Crimea was a moral obligation and that Obama was a "new Hitler" for condemning Russian involvement there.

I don't think I've ever questioned my party affiliation, personal beliefs, and... sh!t, maybe even my sexuality moreso than during my drive home from that lunch.

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Postby Laerod » Sat Nov 22, 2014 5:23 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:


Aw, we're gonna be friends.

It gives me a small amount of pride that when you google "Ultimate Hitler Thread" that's the first result.

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