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by Neutraligon » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:20 am
by Risottia » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:27 am
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:Let's discuss Algebra and other complicated branches of mathematics. No need for a lengthy OP.
Should Algebra be taught in schools? Trigonometry? Calculus? Should those classes be optional only for those with an interest in such complex subjects? Should there be alternatives - i.e., like they have at my school - such as Computer Programming classes counting as mathematical credits?
My thoughts: Algebra is mostly pointless. I can't think of any 'useful' part of Algebra that can't be solved much quicker and easier by use of simple arithmetic. Why not let the kids decide concerning what they take in high school. If they ever have to have Algebra for a job or something, they can have it in college. But I hypothesize that most - 99% - will never use Algebra. My business teacher at school says this as well.
by Disgruntled Mathematicians » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:30 am
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Music relies on mathematics. Sure, you don't need to delve deep into calculus, or algebra, but it's not farfetched to at least have basic notions of these.
by Dazchan » Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:04 am
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:Wintergord wrote:There are several important aspects that are useful in daily life but of course some that can be discarded:
-Long division.
-Calculus.
-Polynomials.
I learn physics and trigonometry at my current grade, at first I was against it but I have developed a tolerance for both subjects.
Long division can be discarded? What? Long division is basic mathematics. Calculus and polynomials are among the more obscure and useless portions, and they can certainly be disregarded, but long division. Again. What?
by Chestaan » Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:20 am
by L Ron Cupboard » Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:07 am
Zottistan wrote:Bad things happen when the populace is uneducated. You get the likes of pseudoscientific nonsense becoming mainstream and politicians hiring economists to lie for them.
by Kilobugya » Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:10 am
by Forsher » Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:18 am
Utceforp wrote:Forsher wrote:
1. No, economists are social scientists. That you are seeing overlap, should resolve your issues. Just not in ways that you find satisfactory.
2. That said, in its strictest sense, a psychologist tries to understand the physical human rather than the human. The anthropologist, how we get humans from a physical perspective. I'm not actually sure what sociologists do and I can't be bothered looking.
3. The thing with "we must understand" is that it encompasses the vast majority of human academic endeavour.
1. Yes, social scientists. Scientists. That's my point.
2. What? Psychologists study the human mind, and if that doesn't fit your definition of "non-physical human", I'm not sure what will.
Anthropologists study cultures, languages and humanity's development, sociologists study how humans act in groups. All of them are focused on the mind.
3. And the best way to understand anything is through the scientific method.
Trevor Phillip Enterprises wrote:Shiie wrote:Only STEM subjects should be taught in schools. Any other subjects create hipsters that cling to welfare. You have to work to eat.
Its things like this that makes us STEM students/researchers/teachers/whatever seem like a bunch of elitist assholes who are jealous of not getting any...
Dazchan wrote:Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Long division can be discarded? What? Long division is basic mathematics. Calculus and polynomials are among the more obscure and useless portions, and they can certainly be disregarded, but long division. Again. What?
Long division is useless. I don't even bother teaching it to my students any more, because there are more efficient ways to divide (most of which can be done mentally once you get proficient at them).
Algebra on the other hand is an essential building block of mathematics. Teaching mathematics without algebra would be like teaching English without verbs.
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:58 am
by The Grim Reaper » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:12 am
L Ron Cupboard wrote:Zottistan wrote:Bad things happen when the populace is uneducated. You get the likes of pseudoscientific nonsense becoming mainstream and politicians hiring economists to lie for them.
Creationism for example. Maybe that is the OP's intention all along, reduce the American population to uneducated drones more amenable to indoctrination.
Still if the USA wants to discard the scientific baton, there are plenty of countries like China ready to pick it up and run with it.
by Burleson » Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:04 am
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Burleson wrote:Those classes should be electives. The vast majority of students probably won't get jobs in which algebra, calculus, etc. would be involved. Requiring all students to take those useless classes is just a waste of tax money.
So you're not good at it?
So lets take away future education?
No wonder they call you a redneck.
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by Laerod » Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:10 am
Burleson wrote:Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:So you're not good at it?
So lets take away future education?
No wonder they call you a redneck.
I'm actually good at it, but there are many other things I could be doing with my time. Like learning a skill that could be used for more jobs than 'math teacher'. And in case you haven't noticed, I don't take the term redneck as an insult.
by Risottia » Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:15 am
Laerod wrote:Burleson wrote:I'm actually good at it, but there are many other things I could be doing with my time. Like learning a skill that could be used for more jobs than 'math teacher'. And in case you haven't noticed, I don't take the term redneck as an insult.
If you didn't have the right to vote, then not educating you wouldn't be as much of an issue. However, since suffrage is universal, education must strive to be the same.
by Lenciland » Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:33 am
Risottia wrote:Laerod wrote:If you didn't have the right to vote, then not educating you wouldn't be as much of an issue. However, since suffrage is universal, education must strive to be the same.
Then again, we could weigh everyone's ballot: multiply it by the number of right answer to some basic questions about science and history.
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by Laerod » Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:39 am
Risottia wrote:Laerod wrote:If you didn't have the right to vote, then not educating you wouldn't be as much of an issue. However, since suffrage is universal, education must strive to be the same.
Then again, we could weigh everyone's ballot: multiply it by the number of right answer to some basic questions about science and history. :D
by Imperializt Russia » Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:42 am
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:Atomic Utopia wrote:You will learn the importance of math when you exit high school, algebra is the foundations for all engineering and science. Without a knowledge of algebra you cannot program, determine critical buckling, or design a bridge. To put it simply a knowledge of algabra is required to be an engineer of any variety. And if you do not want to learn it, I would recommend you get comfortable with working in the mostly low paying services industry.
Most folks aren't engineers, and the engineering field is not a big deal these days.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Novia Soviet Socialist Republic » Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:50 am
by Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:57 am
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:Let's discuss Algebra and other complicated branches of mathematics. No need for a lengthy OP.
Should Algebra be taught in schools? Trigonometry? Calculus? Should those classes be optional only for those with an interest in such complex subjects? Should there be alternatives - i.e., like they have at my school - such as Computer Programming classes counting as mathematical credits?
My thoughts: Algebra is mostly pointless. I can't think of any 'useful' part of Algebra that can't be solved much quicker and easier by use of simple arithmetic. Why not let the kids decide concerning what they take in high school. If they ever have to have Algebra for a job or something, they can have it in college. But I hypothesize that most - 99% - will never use Algebra. My business teacher at school says this as well.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
by Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:58 am
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Honestly I left school given the consequences of my phobia/hate of math, physics and chemistry, so I'm biased.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
by Infected Mushroom » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:58 am
by Neutraligon » Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:00 am
Burleson wrote:Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:So you're not good at it?
So lets take away future education?
No wonder they call you a redneck.
I'm actually good at it, but there are many other things I could be doing with my time. Like learning a skill that could be used for more jobs than 'math teacher'. And in case you haven't noticed, I don't take the term redneck as an insult.
by Cetacea » Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:01 am
by Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:01 am
Dazchan wrote:Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Long division can be discarded? What? Long division is basic mathematics. Calculus and polynomials are among the more obscure and useless portions, and they can certainly be disregarded, but long division. Again. What?
Long division is useless. I don't even bother teaching it to my students any more, because there are more efficient ways to divide (most of which can be done mentally once you get proficient at them).
Algebra on the other hand is an essential building block of mathematics. Teaching mathematics without algebra would be like teaching English without verbs.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
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