by Archeuland and Baughistan » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:32 pm
by Benuty » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:34 pm
by Archeuland and Baughistan » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:39 pm
Benuty wrote:Considering computer programming partly if not mostly relies on mathematics...not sure how that would count as alternative.
by Atomic Utopia » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:39 pm
by Benuty » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:41 pm
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:Benuty wrote:Considering computer programming partly if not mostly relies on mathematics...not sure how that would count as alternative.
An alternative to enforced classes like Algebra. A worthy alternative, I'd wager. Why not go all-out and completely make mathematics an elective on a high school level? Most anything you use in mathematics is learned up to the eighth grade. It was for me, at least.
by Ratateague » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:41 pm
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:My thoughts: Algebra is mostly pointless. I can't think of any 'useful' part of Algebra that can't be solved much quicker and easier by use of simple arithmetic. Why not let the kids decide concerning what they take in high school. If they ever have to have Algebra for a job or something, they can have it in college. But I hypothesize that most - 99% - will never use Algebra. My business teacher at school says this as well.
by The Black Forrest » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:42 pm
by Archeuland and Baughistan » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:42 pm
Atomic Utopia wrote:You will learn the importance of math when you exit high school, algebra is the foundations for all engineering and science. Without a knowledge of algebra you cannot program, determine critical buckling, or design a bridge. To put it simply a knowledge of algabra is required to be an engineer of any variety. And if you do not want to learn it, I would recommend you get comfortable with working in the mostly low paying services industry.
by Wintergord » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:42 pm
by Benuty » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:43 pm
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:Atomic Utopia wrote:You will learn the importance of math when you exit high school, algebra is the foundations for all engineering and science. Without a knowledge of algebra you cannot program, determine critical buckling, or design a bridge. To put it simply a knowledge of algabra is required to be an engineer of any variety. And if you do not want to learn it, I would recommend you get comfortable with working in the mostly low paying services industry.
Most folks aren't engineers, and the engineering field is not a big deal these days.
by Neutraligon » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:43 pm
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:Atomic Utopia wrote:You will learn the importance of math when you exit high school, algebra is the foundations for all engineering and science. Without a knowledge of algebra you cannot program, determine critical buckling, or design a bridge. To put it simply a knowledge of algabra is required to be an engineer of any variety. And if you do not want to learn it, I would recommend you get comfortable with working in the mostly low paying services industry.
Most folks aren't engineers, and the engineering field is not a big deal these days.
by Furry Alairia and Algeria » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:43 pm
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:Atomic Utopia wrote:You will learn the importance of math when you exit high school, algebra is the foundations for all engineering and science. Without a knowledge of algebra you cannot program, determine critical buckling, or design a bridge. To put it simply a knowledge of algabra is required to be an engineer of any variety. And if you do not want to learn it, I would recommend you get comfortable with working in the mostly low paying services industry.
Most folks aren't engineers, and the engineering field is not a big deal these days.
by Archeuland and Baughistan » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:44 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Balance a see-saw without algebra. Let's see you measure the force of magnets with simple Arithmetic. How do you measure gravity? Let's see you explain the theory of relativity without algebra. Remember the shuttles? Explain how we can get them up there; do their work and return. What about GPS systems? etc., etc., etc.......
by Deian salazar » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:44 pm
Atomic Utopia wrote:You will learn the importance of math when you exit high school, algebra is the foundations for all engineering and science. Without a knowledge of algebra you cannot program, determine critical buckling, or design a bridge. To put it simply a knowledge of algabra is required to be an engineer of any variety. And if you do not want to learn it, I would recommend you get comfortable with working in the mostly low paying services industry.
by Furry Alairia and Algeria » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:44 pm
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:Balance a see-saw without algebra. Let's see you measure the force of magnets with simple Arithmetic. How do you measure gravity? Let's see you explain the theory of relativity without algebra. Remember the shuttles? Explain how we can get them up there; do their work and return. What about GPS systems? etc., etc., etc.......
Great. How can that be used for a person's benefit? How can that have a practical purpose? If they are curious, they can learn it themselves or take the elective. But most do not have an interest in Algebra, and should not be expected to.
I would argue that Algebra is holding us back from being the number 1 mathematically literate country in the world. People wonder why test scores have been dropping for the past fifty years. We've made Algebra and other useless branches of mathematics more important than practical mathematics.
by Neutraligon » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:45 pm
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:Benuty wrote:Considering computer programming partly if not mostly relies on mathematics...not sure how that would count as alternative.
An alternative to enforced classes like Algebra. A worthy alternative, I'd wager. Why not go all-out and completely make mathematics an elective on a high school level? Most anything you use in mathematics is learned up to the eighth grade. It was for me, at least.
by The Black Forrest » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:45 pm
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:Atomic Utopia wrote:You will learn the importance of math when you exit high school, algebra is the foundations for all engineering and science. Without a knowledge of algebra you cannot program, determine critical buckling, or design a bridge. To put it simply a knowledge of algabra is required to be an engineer of any variety. And if you do not want to learn it, I would recommend you get comfortable with working in the mostly low paying services industry.
Most folks aren't engineers, and the engineering field is not a big deal these days.
by Archeuland and Baughistan » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:45 pm
Wintergord wrote:There are several important aspects that are useful in daily life but of course some that can be discarded:
-Long division.
-Calculus.
-Polynomials.
I learn physics and trigonometry at my current grade, at first I was against it but I have developed a tolerance for both subjects.
by The Sotoan Union » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:46 pm
by Ratateague » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:46 pm
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:But most do not have an interest in Algebra, and should not be expected to.
I would argue that Algebra is holding us back from being the number 1 mathematically literate country in the world. People wonder why test scores have been dropping for the past fifty years. We've made Algebra and other useless branches of mathematics more important than practical mathematics.
by Neutraligon » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:46 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Most folks aren't engineers, and the engineering field is not a big deal these days.
Many of those things you take for granted came from whom?
Many engineers didn't decide to be engineers from the beginning. Some took math and found they had an aptitude for it. Algebra was a stepping stone to bigger areas......
by Archeuland and Baughistan » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:46 pm
Neutraligon wrote:Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
An alternative to enforced classes like Algebra. A worthy alternative, I'd wager. Why not go all-out and completely make mathematics an elective on a high school level? Most anything you use in mathematics is learned up to the eighth grade. It was for me, at least.
Then you are missing a lot when it comes to math. Oh also, most of what happens below 8th grade is not math, it is arithmetic.
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by Archeuland and Baughistan » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:47 pm
Neutraligon wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
Many of those things you take for granted came from whom?
Many engineers didn't decide to be engineers from the beginning. Some took math and found they had an aptitude for it. Algebra was a stepping stone to bigger areas......
Indeed, when I went to college at first I had no idea what I wanted to become. It would have been impossible to become an engineer without classes in algebra, calc, and geometry, all of which feature heavily in my path as an engineer (hello robots).
by Furry Alairia and Algeria » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:47 pm
Burleson wrote:Those classes should be electives. The vast majority of students probably won't get jobs in which algebra, calculus, etc. would be involved. Requiring all students to take those useless classes is just a waste of tax money.
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