Worst Leader your (RL) Country ever had?

[Camelza]

Otto I Wittelsbach, for best clueless Bavarian scapegoat.
Second? Propably dictator-president Pagalos, he was a complete failure.
Pagalos though, is most certainly challenged for the title by the infamously corrupt and authoritarian dictatorical triandry of the late sixties and early seventies.

[Luziyca]

Most definitely, positively Stephen Harper. What an arrogant asshole. I am so glad there is an election next year! Only 11 months to go!
Mulroney comes a close second, in signing NAFTA and lying and general scumbaggery.

Some would argue Trudeau, but I'd say he's probably far and away the best PM we've had in modern times. His thing with Alberta was kind of shitty, but it could have been a lot worse. He signing a lot of good laws in more than makes up for that.

Oh yeah, I'm Canadian too. Definitely Harper, then Mulroney. Not so confident about the election though...

Yeah. Hopefully, I can vote, but Harper in my opinion is a terrible PM.

[Benuty]

Jackson and bush...ooh Bush annoys me to death x x

Blame Prescott Bush, and the rest of those fascist traitors who make up the descendants of several modern era presidents.

[Sebastianbourg]

Amazuma. And I thought we couldn't possibly get any worse with Mbeki.

You mean Jacob Zuma, right?

[Lydenburg]

Amazuma. And I thought we couldn't possibly get any worse with Mbeki.

You mean Jacob Zuma, right?

Quite so.

[Sanctus Byzantium]

Obama, followed by Wilson.

Really? They're worse than presidents who committed ethnic cleansing and/or literally supported slavery?

The United States may have a much shorter history than most other countries represented here, but I think it's fair to say that anyone who names a president from the 20th or 21st centuries as "the worst" is doing it wrong.

Well I could have said Lincoln but I have a feeling I would have been ripped apart. Besides really most Presidents I have little to no opinion on. The few that I do are divided between those that I like: Theodore Roosevelt, Washington, Jackson, Grant, Mckinley, Truman, Coolidge, and Eisenhower. And those I dislike: Obama, Wilson, Nixon, Andrew Johnson, and to some extent Lincoln. Really it comes down to personal liking of them. And my personal opinion is that I think Obama is not a strong leader (which is something I respect) and I just have a personal disliking of Wilson. Though it also comes by my study of history.

[Nuevo Gran Mexico]

Porfirio Díaz was also pretty tyrannical.

No, Porfirio Díaz was not stupid. I started the modernisation of Mexico. He was tyrannical, but he didn't selled the petroleum. He didn't made stupid things as EPN.

[Rebellious Fishermen]

OBAMA!

Nah probably someone like Ulysses Grant or some no-name president.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

No, Porfirio Díaz was not stupid. HE started the modernisation of Mexico. He was tyrannical, but he didn't selled the petroleum. He didn't made stupid things as EPN.

Never did I say he was he stupid. Stop the strawman.

[Rebellious Fishermen]

Really? They're worse than presidents who committed ethnic cleansing and/or literally supported slavery?

The United States may have a much shorter history than most other countries represented here, but I think it's fair to say that anyone who names a president from the 20th or 21st centuries as "the worst" is doing it wrong.

Well I could have said Lincoln but I have a feeling I would have been ripped apart. Besides really most Presidents I have little to no opinion on. The few that I do are divided between those that I like: Theodore Roosevelt, Washington, Jackson, Grant, Mckinley, Truman, Coolidge, and Eisenhower. And those I dislike: Obama, Wilson, Nixon, Andrew Johnson, and to some extent Lincoln. Really it comes down to personal liking of them. And my personal opinion is that I think Obama is not a strong leader (which is something I respect) and I just have a personal disliking of Wilson. Though it also comes by my study of history.

I'm not a big Lincoln fan. Huge authoritarian that expanded the government and tried to control the states, successfully.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Really? They're worse than presidents who committed ethnic cleansing and/or literally supported slavery?

The United States may have a much shorter history than most other countries represented here, but I think it's fair to say that anyone who names a president from the 20th or 21st centuries as "the worst" is doing it wrong.

Well I could have said Lincoln but I have a feeling I would have been ripped apart. Besides really most Presidents I have little to no opinion on. The few that I do are divided between those that I like: Theodore Roosevelt, Washington, Jackson, Grant, Mckinley, Truman, Coolidge, and Eisenhower. And those I dislike: Obama, Wilson, Nixon, Andrew Johnson, and to some extent Lincoln. Really it comes down to personal liking of them. And my personal opinion is that I think Obama is not a strong leader (which is something I respect) and I just have a personal disliking of Wilson. Though it also comes by my study of history.

You realize, of course, that policy-wise, Obama is actually just a touch to the right of Eisenhower.

[Bojikami]

Tsar Nicolas II.

[Skappola]

Andrew Jackson. I f***ing hate him. He crashed the economy, was completely unprofessional, and forced out the five civilized tribes, among other idiotic endeavours.

As a second, I would say Rutherford B Hayes, for his ending of reconstruction.

[Equusia]

And I'd go with Bush, for America.

^ Doesn't need explaining

[Lydenburg]

Wilson. Hands down. Barack Obama is a far-second.

Wow. Apparently Jackson's Indian murdering and the support of slave ownership by him and other early US presidents is nowhere near as bad as world war 1 era Wilson (who was admittedly pretty awful) and Barrack Obama (who has been somewhere between bad and ok in my opinion).

In South Africa the award has to go to Prime Minister H.F. Verwoerd, the "architect of Apartheid", who strengthened the Apartheid system created by Prime Minister D.F. Malan, and was in office when the Sharpeville Massacre occurred.

Verwoerd gets blamed for everything, but everybody forgets that forced removals and discriminatory labour laws peaked under Strijdom. I mean, the man tried to ban nonwhites from participating in urban industry. In RSA. That's how out of touch he was with the real world.

Under his watch we had the first wave of foreign disinvestment.

[Pragia]

Jackson and bush...ooh Bush annoys me to death x x

Blame Prescott Bush, and the rest of those fascist traitors who make up the descendants of several modern era presidents.

Who must obviously be worse than previously mentioned racists, genocidal maniacs, and inept bastards?

[Legendardisch]

Prime minister Mark Rutte by far is the worst.
Has been destroying the netherlands piece by piece

[Dracoria]

I am an American. Worst president is nixon. He destroyed the people's trust in the presidency.

To be fair, unlike many of the other 'worst presidents' brought up, he showed regret for doing just that and attempted to make up for it, meeting with foreign leaders, writing books and trying to restore not just his own image, but the image of politics in the US. He also was responsible for a number of positive things; warming relations with China and widening their divide with the USSR, enforcing civil rights, ending US involvement in Vietnam (yes, he first increased involvement, but so did JFK and people still love that old corpse). Even things the left'd like, introducing the EPA for instance. There are plenty of American leaders who are far worse than he was.

[Brissia]

Andrew Jackson.

[Middelburgsrijk]

Mark Rutte

[Baltenstein]

I think he's saying she's the worst since the Nazis.

Nope. He's saying she's worse than Kurt Kiesinger, a Nazi and the Chancellor in power during the heavy handed dealings with student protests in the late sixties.

Depends on your point of view, I guess. Before Helmut Kohl, German chancellors and their policies were generally pretty irrelevant to the people outside West Germany and the GDR.

I'd rather make that assertion on evidence, not opinion. Why, with evidence, is Merkel the worst PM so far Germany's had?

You could make an argument that she's the German chancellor whose decisions have influenced more lives of people outside Germany in a negative way than any other German chancellor since 1945 and seriously endangering the political and economical infrastructure of the European Union.

I'm not saying that one opinion is right and the other wrong. I think both naming Kiesinger for his domestic policies and Merkel for her European policies are legitimate nominations.

Also, one should clarify that when talking about the leaders of post-1945 Germany, he is talking about the Federal Republic of Germany. Obviously, the people in charge of a country-sized, secret police-run prison camp that shot its own citizens for trying to escape were worse than any federal German chancellor by default.

[Toronina]

Our current PM, one Tony Abbott. Seriously, he acts like a baby when he doesn't get his way. I get the feeling that all the other country's are laughing at us for electing him. He's a homophobe, misogynist, the list goes on and on and on.

[BlueShores]

Well I could have said Lincoln but I have a feeling I would have been ripped apart. Besides really most Presidents I have little to no opinion on. The few that I do are divided between those that I like: Theodore Roosevelt, Washington, Jackson, Grant, Mckinley, Truman, Coolidge, and Eisenhower. And those I dislike: Obama, Wilson, Nixon, Andrew Johnson, and to some extent Lincoln. Really it comes down to personal liking of them. And my personal opinion is that I think Obama is not a strong leader (which is something I respect) and I just have a personal disliking of Wilson. Though it also comes by my study of history.

You realize, of course, that policy-wise, Obama is actually just a touch to the right of Eisenhower.

Shhhh.... this is the big secret that Fox News doesnt want you to know...

[Laerod]

Well I could have said Lincoln but I have a feeling I would have been ripped apart. Besides really most Presidents I have little to no opinion on. The few that I do are divided between those that I like: Theodore Roosevelt, Washington, Jackson, Grant, Mckinley, Truman, Coolidge, and Eisenhower. And those I dislike: Obama, Wilson, Nixon, Andrew Johnson, and to some extent Lincoln. Really it comes down to personal liking of them. And my personal opinion is that I think Obama is not a strong leader (which is something I respect) and I just have a personal disliking of Wilson. Though it also comes by my study of history.

You realize, of course, that policy-wise, Obama is actually just a touch to the right of Eisenhower.

Clearly the qualifier then is that Obama hasn't toppled enough democratically elected governments at the behest of multinational corporations.

[New Socialist South Africa]

How do you measure the will to improve? Do you get rewarded for that? Is that like giving people the dole in the UK if they keep on trying to find employment even if they keep on failing due to under qualification?

How about someone who is severely mentally handicapped from a poor background, or someone else who lacks the actual capacity to improve, what about them?

If they lack the capacity to improve, they don't. People from a poor background do not lack the capacity to improve, I myself was born into poverty and so were my parents, but now I have an income in the top 20%.

I didn't get it free, for sure.

Ya. You got there based on a mixture of luck, intelligence and talent you were born with (so more luck) and being born and raised in a way that gave you the motivation to work hard (so even more luck). Not everyone is born with that much luck, sure some are born with even more luck in that they are already rich in addition to being born intelligent, talented and being raised to have a good work ethic, but others lack all of those factors. my question is what about the truly unlucky? What about someone who is born poor, without being born lucky, talented or intelligent and is not raised to have a good work ethic, or is extremely sick or mentally and / or physically handicapped?