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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:43 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:What? Your posts are so hard to read. Always.

The title would normally be the argument for the claim.
Better?


Only a naive person would choose, from a list of many, just one worst leader. Every country has had its share of mediocre/bad leaders. Better?
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Postby Laerod » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:44 pm

Kelinfort wrote:What is it with people and hating the person in office?

Object permanence: Presidents that are no longer in office cease to exist.

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Postby Planita » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:45 pm

For some reason everyone calls Obama the worst *looks right* but on my list its Buchanan.

Didn't do anything to stop the spread of slavery or the inevitable Civil War

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:46 pm

Planita wrote:For some reason everyone calls Obama the worst *looks right* but on my list its Buchanan.

Didn't do anything to stop the spread of slavery or the inevitable Civil War


And Pierce before him. That was a one-two punch to the Union.

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Postby Cabana » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:46 pm

If we can do heritage then I'd have to say Jaruzelski for the martial law
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:46 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:The title would normally be the argument for the claim.
Better?


Only a naive person would choose, from a list of many, just one worst leader. Every country has had its share of mediocre/bad leaders. Better?

In naiveness, your informational post on Phillip III had no such inferences.
Though that isn't the topic here.
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Postby Chestaan » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:48 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:You know, there's an argument to be made that Obama is mediocre, though it's not one that I would make. However, as I have stated before, calling him "The worst" shows at best a stunning lack of historical knowledge.



I agree with Michael Moore when he said that the only reason Obama will be remembered will be because he was the first black president. He fell far short of the massive change he promised. Still far from the worst.
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:48 pm

People say Bush too, but not even he can top the genocidal (Jackson), racist (Johnson) or dangerously incompetent (Pierce, Buchanan, Hoover) presidents of the past.

But, you know...the Trail of Tears, the Civil War, the failures of Reconstruction and the Great Depression ain't got shit on Obamacare or the War on Terrorism!
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:49 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Only a naive person would choose, from a list of many, just one worst leader. Every country has had its share of mediocre/bad leaders. Better?

In naiveness, your informational post on Phillip III had no such inferences.
Though that isn't the topic here.


Philip II, kid. His son was named Charles.
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Postby Mesrane » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:50 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Mesrane wrote:I didn't call him the worst. I called him a close second, and Kelinfort's post is making me rethink whether Johnson is the absolute worst, which would bump Obama up a couple spots.


Okay, second worst. Still no reasons given.

I disagree with the ludicrous taxes implemented by the Obama administration, it's head-in-hands approach to foreign policy, it's regulations on the economy. Among other things, but those are the biggies.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:51 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:In naiveness, your informational post on Phillip III had no such inferences.
Though that isn't the topic here.


Philip II, kid. His son was named Charles.

A member of the House of Habsburg, Philip III was born in Madrid to King Philip II of Spain and his fourth wife and niece Anna, the daughter of the Emperor Maximilian II and Maria of Spain.

You would know better than to call me a kid.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:51 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Only a naive person would choose, from a list of many, just one worst leader. Every country has had its share of mediocre/bad leaders. Better?

In naiveness, your informational post on Phillip III had no such inferences.
Though that isn't the topic here.


Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Through no fault of his, Charles II of Spain, in the 1650s. Centuries of inbreeding to keep the line ''pure'' created a mentally and physically challenged child. When his father, Philip IV, died, he ascended to the throne at the age of 4, as the sole heir. As this would be seen as a sign of Spanish rule weakening, it was expected that the other rulers of Europe would come knocking on Spain's door to conquer it, so a council, including his mother, wife and half-brother was formed to rule in his stead, with Charles as figurehead. The council proved to be a disaster.

Civil war erupted and the Spanish empire went downhill from there.


Here, inform yourself.

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Postby Nuevo Gran Mexico » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:52 pm

For everyone who lives in Mexico, you know who is he.

Well, he is Enrique Peña Nieto.

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Postby New Stinkonia » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:53 pm

Mesrane wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Okay, second worst. Still no reasons given.

I disagree with the ludicrous taxes implemented by the Obama administration, it's head-in-hands approach to foreign policy, it's regulations on the economy. Among other things, but those are the biggies.


Back in reality, where we could compare the tax rates and regulations of the economy, Obama is to the right of Reagan.
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Postby Kelinfort » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:53 pm

Mesrane wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Okay, second worst. Still no reasons given.

I disagree with the ludicrous taxes implemented by the Obama administration, it's head-in-hands approach to foreign policy, it's regulations on the economy. Among other things, but those are the biggies.

So a three percent excise tax on medical devices is ludicrous? Perhaps you're referring to increasing taxes on five percent of the population's income, while the other ninety five saw a reduction?

The foreign policy of the man who rains down hellfire missiles is ostrich like, indeed.

I'm not saying he's great, the point is, ranking him as second or even third ignores the fact he's still in office and the terrible, incompetent predecessors.

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Postby New Carloso » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:54 pm

Well eh... Ireland... um

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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:55 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:In naiveness, your informational post on Phillip III had no such inferences.
Though that isn't the topic here.


Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Through no fault of his, Charles II of Spain, in the 1650s. Centuries of inbreeding to keep the line ''pure'' created a mentally and physically challenged child. When his father, Philip IV, died, he ascended to the throne at the age of 4, as the sole heir. As this would be seen as a sign of Spanish rule weakening, it was expected that the other rulers of Europe would come knocking on Spain's door to conquer it, so a council, including his mother, wife and half-brother was formed to rule in his stead, with Charles as figurehead. The council proved to be a disaster.

Civil war erupted and the Spanish empire went downhill from there.


Here, inform yourself.

How does this have to do with Philip II considering it was Philip VI that had Charles II?

Nanatsu No Tsuki's Numbers were screwed after looking at edit.
Nuevo Gran Mexico wrote:For everyone who lives in Mexico, you know who is he.

Well, he is Enrique Peña Nieto.

Porfirio Díaz was also pretty tyrannical.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:56 pm

Mesrane wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Okay, second worst. Still no reasons given.

I disagree with the ludicrous taxes implemented by the Obama administration, it's head-in-hands approach to foreign policy, it's regulations on the economy. Among other things, but those are the biggies.


What ludicrous taxes? Are they worse than those imposed by FDR or his successors?

How is his foreign policy worse than that of Kennedy and LBJ, George W. Bush, or Woodrow Wilson?

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:56 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Mesrane wrote:I disagree with the ludicrous taxes implemented by the Obama administration, it's head-in-hands approach to foreign policy, it's regulations on the economy. Among other things, but those are the biggies.

So a three percent excise tax on medical devices is ludicrous? Perhaps you're referring to increasing taxes on five percent of the population's income, while the other ninety five saw a reduction?

The foreign policy of the man who rains down hellfire missiles is ostrich like, indeed.

I'm not saying he's great, the point is, ranking him as second or even third ignores the fact he's still in office and the terrible, incompetent predecessors.


You know. Some people are impatient like that.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:56 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:


Here, inform yourself.

How does this have to do with Philip II considering it was Philip VI that had Charles II?
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Well, he is Enrique Peña Nieto.

Porfirio Díaz was also pretty tyrannical.


Read edit.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:57 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:How does this have to do with Philip II considering it was Philip VI that had Charles II?

Nanatsu No Tsuki's Numbers were screwed after looking at edit.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Read edit.

I edited as fast as I could after re-reading your edit.
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Postby Chestaan » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:58 pm

New Carloso wrote:Well eh... Ireland... um

Brian Cowen or Haughey, hard to pick


I'd argue that Dev is worse for giving the Catholic church such an enormous amount of power within the state.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:59 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:How does this have to do with Philip II considering it was Philip VI that had Charles II?

Nanatsu No Tsuki's Numbers were screwed after looking at edit.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Read edit.

I edited as fast as I could after re-reading your edit.


That was unnecessary.
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Postby Kelinfort » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:59 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:So a three percent excise tax on medical devices is ludicrous? Perhaps you're referring to increasing taxes on five percent of the population's income, while the other ninety five saw a reduction?

The foreign policy of the man who rains down hellfire missiles is ostrich like, indeed.

I'm not saying he's great, the point is, ranking him as second or even third ignores the fact he's still in office and the terrible, incompetent predecessors.


You know. Some people are impatient like that.

And I thought I was an impatient son of a bitch.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:59 pm

I am an American. Worst president is nixon. He destroyed the people's trust in the presidency.

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