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Furry Alairia and Algeria
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:10 pm

Mexico: Porfirio Díaz by a close shot. Enrique Peña Nieto comes sooner

Spain: Philip II of Spain by a close shot, followed by Francisco Franco.
Had I lived in Spain or Mexico during the regimes of Profirio, Francisco, or Phillip, I'd gouge their eyes out first.
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Martean
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Postby Martean » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:18 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Mexico: Porfirio Díaz by a close shot. Enrique Peña Nieto comes sooner

Spain: Philip II of Spain by a close shot, followed by Francisco Franco.
Had I lived in Spain or Mexico during the regimes of Profirio, Francisco, or Phillip, I'd gouge their eyes out first.


Ferninand VII was even worse
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Postby Manisdog » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:19 pm

Olivaero wrote:
Manisdog wrote:Queen Victoria, the empress of India

Qutubdin Aibak

Aurangzeb

Dhana Nanda


Mir Zaffar

Nizam of Hyderabad

Nawab of Junagad

Jyoti Basu

Robert Clive

Macaulay

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Rand

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It would make more sense to list the Governor Generals than just dropping Queen Victoria's name there. I mean it's not like she personally shaped much policy on India, The Governor Generals were probably more culpable.


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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:22 pm

Martean wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Mexico: Porfirio Díaz by a close shot. Enrique Peña Nieto comes sooner

Spain: Philip II of Spain by a close shot, followed by Francisco Franco.
Had I lived in Spain or Mexico during the regimes of Profirio, Francisco, or Phillip, I'd gouge their eyes out first.


Ferninand VII was even worse


Philip II's kid was quite bad. But through no fault of his own. He was mentally challenged, ascended the throne at 4 years of age and his mother, was part of the governing council that was placed in his stead, with him as figurehead.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:25 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Martean wrote:
Ferninand VII was even worse


Philip II's kid was quite bad. But through no fault of his own. He was mentally challenged, ascended the throne at 4 years of age and his mother, was part of the governing council that was placed in his stead, with him as figurehead.

Though I doubt he could be on one of the top 1 worst Spanish Leaders.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:27 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Philip II's kid was quite bad. But through no fault of his own. He was mentally challenged, ascended the throne at 4 years of age and his mother, was part of the governing council that was placed in his stead, with him as figurehead.

Though I doubt he could be on one of the top 1 worst Spanish Leaders.


Never said he was, though. That is a position shared by a few.
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Postby Mesrane » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:28 pm

Gonna go with President Andrew Johnson, arguably the most incompetent ever.

Of course, Obama is a close second in my opinion. But I would be a racist bigot to believe that.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:30 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Though I doubt he could be on one of the top 1 worst Spanish Leaders.


Never said he was, though. That is a position shared by a few.

The topic title basically infers any such information that's posted here.
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Postby Kelinfort » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:30 pm

Mesrane wrote:Gonna go with President Andrew Johnson, arguably the most incompetent ever.

Of course, Obama is a close second in my opinion. But I would be a racist bigot to believe that.

What is it with people and hating the person in office?

Have they forgotten Buchanan, Jackson, Grant, Cleaveland, and Pierce?

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Postby Lost heros » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:30 pm

Mesrane wrote:Gonna go with President Andrew Johnson, arguably the most incompetent ever.

Of course, Obama is a close second in my opinion. But I would be a racist bigot to believe that.

Strange, the two are nothing alike.
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Postby Martean » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:30 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Philip II's kid was quite bad. But through no fault of his own. He was mentally challenged, ascended the throne at 4 years of age and his mother, was part of the governing council that was placed in his stead, with him as figurehead.

Though I doubt he could be on one of the top 1 worst Spanish Leaders.


For me, it only really counts since the turnism with canovas and sagasta, the monarchs were all retard (literally) so it doesn't count -_o_-
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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:31 pm

For the U.S., it would be Andrew Jackson, due to he used the military to force Native Americans off of their lands and into Oklahoma.

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Postby Lost heros » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:31 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Mesrane wrote:Gonna go with President Andrew Johnson, arguably the most incompetent ever.

Of course, Obama is a close second in my opinion. But I would be a racist bigot to believe that.

What is it with people and hating the person in office?

Have they forgotten Buchanan, Jackson, Grant, Cleaveland, and Pierce?

Well considering, Cleveland is considered one of the forgotten presidents, I would say most people forget about him.
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Postby Mesrane » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:32 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Mesrane wrote:Gonna go with President Andrew Johnson, arguably the most incompetent ever.

Of course, Obama is a close second in my opinion. But I would be a racist bigot to believe that.

What is it with people and hating the person in office?

Have they forgotten Buchanan, Jackson, Grant, Cleaveland, and Pierce?

Oh thank you. Grant and Buchanan, cannot forget them.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:33 pm

Martean wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Though I doubt he could be on one of the top 1 worst Spanish Leaders.


For me, it only really counts since the turnism with canovas and sagasta, the monarchs were all retard (literally) so it doesn't count -_o_-


The council wasn't retarded though. ;)

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Never said he was, though. That is a position shared by a few.

The topic title basically infers any such information that's posted here.


What? Your posts are so hard to read. Always.
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Postby Mesrane » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:33 pm

Lost heros wrote:
Mesrane wrote:Gonna go with President Andrew Johnson, arguably the most incompetent ever.

Of course, Obama is a close second in my opinion. But I would be a racist bigot to believe that.

Strange, the two are nothing alike.

No, but Johnson's almost unreal level of incompetence can't be ignored.
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Postby Martean » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:35 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Martean wrote:
For me, it only really counts since the turnism with canovas and sagasta, the monarchs were all retard (literally) so it doesn't count -_o_-


The council wasn't retarded though. ;)


That's why, the monarchs weren't the rulers, they were just representatives (unos mandaos, vamos)
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:37 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:What? Your posts are so hard to read. Always.

The title would normally be the argument for the claim.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:38 pm

Mesrane wrote:Gonna go with President Andrew Johnson, arguably the most incompetent ever.

Of course, Obama is a close second in my opinion. But I would be a racist bigot to believe that.


No, you'd just have to provide your reasoning that had nothing to do with race, and show how this makes him worse than every other president but one.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:38 pm

Martean wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
The council wasn't retarded though. ;)


That's why, the monarchs weren't the rulers, they were just representatives (unos mandaos, vamos)


But remember, they were blamed for it. Hayan sido mandaos o no, vamos.

I maintain that of the Isabella-Ferdinand pairing, she was the glue. After her death Ferdinand was terrible at managing.
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Postby Mesrane » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:40 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Mesrane wrote:Gonna go with President Andrew Johnson, arguably the most incompetent ever.

Of course, Obama is a close second in my opinion. But I would be a racist bigot to believe that.


No, you'd just have to provide your reasoning that had nothing to do with race, and show how this makes him worse than every other president but one.

It was sarcasm buddy. I don't actually believe myself to be a racist bigot for not liking him.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:40 pm

You know, there's an argument to be made that Obama is mediocre, though it's not one that I would make. However, as I have stated before, calling him "The worst" shows at best a stunning lack of historical knowledge.

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Postby Mesrane » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:42 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:You know, there's an argument to be made that Obama is mediocre, though it's not one that I would make. However, as I have stated before, calling him "The worst" shows at best a stunning lack of historical knowledge.

I didn't call him the worst. I called him a close second, and Kelinfort's post is making me rethink whether Johnson is the absolute worst, which would bump Obama up a couple spots.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:42 pm

Mesrane wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
No, you'd just have to provide your reasoning that had nothing to do with race, and show how this makes him worse than every other president but one.

It was sarcasm buddy. I don't actually believe myself to be a racist bigot for not liking him.


Yes, I know that it was sarcasm, buddy. I'm simply pointing out that while I've seen several people state that they consider Obama to be the worst for non-racist reasons, they've consistently failed to explain what these non-racist reasons are, or how they make him worse than, say, Buchanan, Pierce, or Garfield.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:42 pm

Mesrane wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:You know, there's an argument to be made that Obama is mediocre, though it's not one that I would make. However, as I have stated before, calling him "The worst" shows at best a stunning lack of historical knowledge.

I didn't call him the worst. I called him a close second, and Kelinfort's post is making me rethink whether Johnson is the absolute worst, which would bump Obama up a couple spots.


Okay, second worst. Still no reasons given.

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