Worst Leader your (RL) Country ever had?

[Holy Empire of Avalon]

Going to say Obama, Carter, Clinton, Lincoln and FDR. I don't find what they did in office very commendable at all. To support my stance in this debate. Lincoln did not free the slaves, the act he signed in freed on the slaves of the Confederacy which he had no power over and did nothing to free the slaves in the Union. FDR had good intentions but grew very power hungry to the point of corruption. Clinton took credit for Reagan's work, call it petty but to me that is pretty rude. Carter... I don't even know where to start with this guy, a whole book of one thousand pages with extra small print could not describe the feeling in my stomach towards this creature. Obama, I have nothing at all against blacks, I have a problem with the man himself, he wants everything on a federal level, he seeks a federal dictatorship where as a would much rather a system where states decide everything for themselves, politically he is my opposite as well as pretty much everywhere else, the debt has rose more under him than any other president period.
I could see someone saying Lyndon B. Johnson though also.

[New Frenco Empire]

Going to say Obama, Carter, Clinton, Lincoln and FDR. I don't find what they did in office very commendable at all. To support my stance in this debate. Lincoln did not free the slaves, the act he signed in freed on the slaves of the Confederacy which he had no power over and did nothing to free the slaves in the Union. FDR had good intentions but grew very power hungry to the point of corruption. Clinton took credit for Reagan's work, call it petty but to me that is pretty rude. Carter... I don't even know where to start with this guy, a whole book of one thousand pages with extra small print could not describe the feeling in my stomach towards this creature. Obama, I have nothing at all against blacks, I have a problem with the man himself, he wants everything on a federal level, he seeks a federal dictatorship where as a would much rather a system where states decide everything for themselves, politically he is my opposite as well as pretty much everywhere else, the debt has rose more under him than any other president period.
I could see someone saying Lyndon B. Johnson though also.

[Holy Empire of Avalon]

Going to say Obama, Carter, Clinton, Lincoln and FDR. I don't find what they did in office very commendable at all. To support my stance in this debate. Lincoln did not free the slaves, the act he signed in freed on the slaves of the Confederacy which he had no power over and did nothing to free the slaves in the Union. FDR had good intentions but grew very power hungry to the point of corruption. Clinton took credit for Reagan's work, call it petty but to me that is pretty rude. Carter... I don't even know where to start with this guy, a whole book of one thousand pages with extra small print could not describe the feeling in my stomach towards this creature. Obama, I have nothing at all against blacks, I have a problem with the man himself, he wants everything on a federal level, he seeks a federal dictatorship where as a would much rather a system where states decide everything for themselves, politically he is my opposite as well as pretty much everywhere else, the debt has rose more under him than any other president period.
I could see someone saying Lyndon B. Johnson though also.

I read books, kind of hard to throw a book through the internet.

[Calimera II]

Going to say Obama, Carter, Clinton, Lincoln and FDR. I don't find what they did in office very commendable at all. To support my stance in this debate. Lincoln did not free the slaves, the act he signed in freed on the slaves of the Confederacy which he had no power over and did nothing to free the slaves in the Union. FDR had good intentions but grew very power hungry to the point of corruption. Clinton took credit for Reagan's work, call it petty but to me that is pretty rude. Carter... I don't even know where to start with this guy, a whole book of one thousand pages with extra small print could not describe the feeling in my stomach towards this creature. Obama, I have nothing at all against blacks, I have a problem with the man himself, he wants everything on a federal level, he seeks a federal dictatorship where as a would much rather a system where states decide everything for themselves, politically he is my opposite as well as pretty much everywhere else, the debt has rose more under him than any other president period.
I could see someone saying Lyndon B. Johnson though also.

It would be ridiculous to source everything.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I read books, kind of hard to throw a book through the internet.

I'm sure that you could find sources online to back your claims, or, barring that, actual arguments and examples of what you're talking about.

[New Frenco Empire]

I read books, kind of hard to throw a book through the internet.

I'd like to read whatever dime novel told you that FDR was corrupted and Obama is a dictator.

Hell, I'd like to read anything that claims that Clinton, FDR, Carver, Obama and Lincoln are somehow worse than the likes of Jackson, Pierce, Buchanan, Johnson or Hoover.

[Kelinfort]

I read books, kind of hard to throw a book through the internet.

"Just take my word for it"

Five minutes from never.

[New Frenco Empire]

It would be ridiculous to source everything.

A little proof that Obama is seeking dictatorship is not too much to ask for.

[Calimera II]

It would be ridiculous to source everything.

A little proof that Obama is seeking dictatorship is not too much to ask for.

I think that's more an opinion he has, it is impossible to source everything. ''On what is that based'', would be a better question.

[New Frenco Empire]

A little proof that Obama is seeking dictatorship is not too much to ask for.

I think that's more an opinion he has, it is impossible to source everything. ''Where is that based on'', would be a better question.

Well in my opinion, I was visited by the Ghost of Christmas Past from the future and she warned me about how Obama built giant death robots to lay waste to America and rule it this country as the Sixteenth Reich with Lenin as his right-hand.

[Laerod]

I think that's more an opinion he has, it is impossible to source everything. ''Where is that based on'', would be a better question.

Well in my opinion, I was visited by the Ghost of Christmas Past from the future and she warned me about how Obama built giant death robots to lay waste to America and rule it this country as the Sixteenth Reich with Lenin as his right-hand.

I knew that fucker was only playing dead!

[Manisdog]

Queen Victoria, the empress of India

Qutubdin Aibak

Aurangzeb

Dhana Nanda


Mir Zaffar

Nizam of Hyderabad

Nawab of Junagad

Jyoti Basu

Robert Clive

Macaulay

Ravana

Dhuryodhana

Bhahadur Shah zaffar

Rand

Muhamad bin tubluhq









so many

[Laerod]

so many

You appear to have utterly missed the point of the thread...

[Manisdog]

so many

You appear to have utterly missed the point of the thread...

How can I compare all these people who have made fatal mistakes, it is impossible to pick the worst out of them, all of them are rotten apples

[Laerod]

You appear to have utterly missed the point of the thread...

How can I compare all these people who have made fatal mistakes, it is impossible to pick the worst out of them, all of them are rotten apples

You could, you know, compare them. Tossing out names like that is largely meaningless.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Obama

Would you care to back that up with a reasoned statement, or are you just going to be like the child who shouts "POOPY!" in kindergarten, then laughs and runs away?

That kind of partisan individual can do nothing else, Yum.

[Manisdog]

How can I compare all these people who have made fatal mistakes, it is impossible to pick the worst out of them, all of them are rotten apples

You could, you know, compare them. Tossing out names like that is largely meaningless.

How can you compare let's say Aurangzeb to victoria and those two to Dhana Nanda and all of them to Mir jaffar, I should be given the privledge of 50 different rulers, atleast considering that as late as 1947, there were 562 kings in India, and now that number would be in a thousand just in 17th century, this is just tough to name the worst, I need atleast 50 worst

[Bojikami]

It's a toss up between Tsar Nicolas II and Putin.

[Laerod]

You could, you know, compare them. Tossing out names like that is largely meaningless.

How can you compare let's say Aurangzeb to victoria and those two to Dhana Nanda and all of them to Mir jaffar, I should be given the privledge of 50 different rulers, atleast considering that as late as 1947, there were 562 kings in India, and now that number would be in a thousand just in 17th century, this is just tough to name the worst, I need atleast 50 worst

Try listing the things they did. Try limiting the time frame to something reasonable. The problem isn't so much that you've got lots to choose from, its that you're being rather lazy in just tossing out a few names but not explaining why they're in the running.

[Manisdog]

How can you compare let's say Aurangzeb to victoria and those two to Dhana Nanda and all of them to Mir jaffar, I should be given the privledge of 50 different rulers, atleast considering that as late as 1947, there were 562 kings in India, and now that number would be in a thousand just in 17th century, this is just tough to name the worst, I need atleast 50 worst

Try listing the things they did. Try limiting the time frame to something reasonable. The problem isn't so much that you've got lots to choose from, its that you're being rather lazy in just tossing out a few names but not explaining why they're in the running.

limiting the time frame would not give us the worst, I can a reasonable explanation but I am still going to take 50 names, otherwise it would be really unfair.

[Lost heros]

James Buchanan takes the cake for me. Although I'm not too big of a fan of some of our other presidents either.

[Olivaero]

Queen Victoria, the empress of India

Qutubdin Aibak

Aurangzeb

Dhana Nanda


Mir Zaffar

Nizam of Hyderabad

Nawab of Junagad

Jyoti Basu

Robert Clive

Macaulay

Ravana

Dhuryodhana

Bhahadur Shah zaffar

Rand

Muhamad bin tubluhq


so many

It would make more sense to list the Governor Generals than just dropping Queen Victoria's name there. I mean it's not like she personally shaped much policy on India, The Governor Generals were probably more culpable.

[Alvalero]

I only remember 3 during my lifetime in Ireland but Enda Kenny as the current Irish Taoiseach takes the pick. Spending cut after spending cut and now with the water charges(a utility we already pay for with our taxes) has finally pushed the public too far.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Would you care to back that up with a reasoned statement, or are you just going to be like the child who shouts "POOPY!" in kindergarten, then laughs and runs away?

That kind of partisan individual can do nothing else, Yum.

Sure, but I still like to give them a chance.

[Benuty]

President Prescott Bush, and his two bastard descendants who somehow gained office.