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Harpers Ferry
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Postby Harpers Ferry » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:42 am

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Kelinfort wrote: :rofl:

You know less about them than she does.


Yeah because Im stupid for mistaking the political parties of two presidents with literally the same last name. You liberals can't handle the fact that Raegan was probably the best pres. Of the USA and you can't change history.

Best president? :rofl: Not even close.

Good one. And nice unfounded assumption that anyone who disagrees with your statement is "liberal"
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Kingdom of Viana
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Postby Kingdom of Viana » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:43 am

Harpers Ferry wrote:
Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Yeah because Im stupid for mistaking the political parties of two presidents with literally the same last name. You liberals can't handle the fact that Raegan was probably the best pres. Of the USA and you can't change history.

Best president? :rofl: Not even close.

Good one. And nice unfounded assumption that anyone who disagrees with your statement is "liberal"


Majority of Americans see Raegan as an outstanding and phenomanl politician.

May I ask who do you think is a good president?
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Postby Escanthea » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:43 am

close tie between wilson, andrew johnson, and jimmy carter. But at least wilson and jimmy carter weren't responsible for (and failed) piecing the nation back together after a 4 year civil war, and they arguably didn't completely flush their beloved martyr predecessor's legacy down the drain.
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Postby Mistillania » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:47 am

In America of the last 50 years. Ronald Reagan,Richard Nixon and George W Bush.
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Harpers Ferry
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Postby Harpers Ferry » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:47 am

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Harpers Ferry wrote:Best president? :rofl: Not even close.

Good one. And nice unfounded assumption that anyone who disagrees with your statement is "liberal"


Majority of Americans see Raegan as an outstanding and phenomanl politician.

May I ask who do you think is a good president?

It is Reagan, by the way.

Source that shows more than 50% of American populace idolizes Reagan, please.

And I see the Roosevelts and JFK as good presidents. I do not have one I consider the best however, or the definite worst for that matter.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:47 am

Escanthea wrote:close tie between wilson, andrew johnson, and jimmy carter. But at least wilson and jimmy carter weren't responsible for (and failed) piecing the nation back together after a 4 year civil war, and they arguably didn't completely flush their beloved martyr predecessor's legacy down the drain.

Debatable. Johnson was faced with a bloodthirsty Congress that wanted to treat the South like conquered territory and punish it. The one time he stood up to them and fired Secretary of War Stanton, they impeached him. It wasn't Johnson who flushed Lincoln's plans and legacy, it was the Radicals in Congress.
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Postby Escanthea » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:49 am

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The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:If they lack the capacity to improve, they don't. People from a poor background do not lack the capacity to improve, I myself was born into poverty and so were my parents, but now I have an income in the top 20%.

I didn't get it free, for sure.


Ya. You got there based on a mixture of luck, intelligence and talent you were born with (so more luck) and being born and raised in a way that gave you the motivation to work hard (so even more luck). Not everyone is born with that much luck, sure some are born with even more luck in that they are already rich in addition to being born intelligent, talented and being raised to have a good work ethic, but others lack all of those factors. my question is what about the truly unlucky? What about someone who is born poor, without being born lucky, talented or intelligent and is not raised to have a good work ethic, or is extremely sick or mentally and / or physically handicapped?

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Postby Patrick OConner » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:51 am

i know this sounds cliche but i have to say Obama his affordable care act failed (not to metion wreaking havoc on the economy) and he cant control our borders and that is just the start
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Postby Kaitjan » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:53 am

Yeltsin. Yeltsin all the way. He had nothing of the (very few) redeeming qualities of Gorbachov. Shat on the whole country, shat on millions of people. We are still eating it by the bucketload. Thanks Yeltsin, you a real champ.
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Postby Laerod » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:54 am

Patrick OConner wrote:i know this sounds cliche but i have to say Obama his affordable care act failed (not to metion wreaking havoc on the economy) and he cant control our borders and that is just the start

You don't have to say Obama. You could mention a slaver or someone so ridiculously incompetent the country fell apart.

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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:55 am

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Harpers Ferry wrote:Best president? :rofl: Not even close.

Good one. And nice unfounded assumption that anyone who disagrees with your statement is "liberal"


Majority of Americans see Raegan as an outstanding and phenomanl politician.

May I ask who do you think is a good president?

Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, FDR, Truman, and Eisenhower all spring to mind as good presidents.
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Postby Harpers Ferry » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:55 am

Patrick OConner wrote:i know this sounds cliche but i have to say Obama his affordable care act failed (not to metion wreaking havoc on the economy) and he cant control our borders and that is just the start

I still adamantly believe Buchanan not doing anything and Jackson's policies against Native Americans far outweigh Obama in being "The Worst Ever".
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Postby Kingdom of Viana » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:55 am

Harpers Ferry wrote:
Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Majority of Americans see Raegan as an outstanding and phenomanl politician.

May I ask who do you think is a good president?

It is Reagan, by the way.

Source that shows more than 50% of American populace idolizes Reagan, please.

And I see the Roosevelts and JFK as good presidents. I do not have one I consider the best however, or the definite worst for that matter.


I can only find ones during his time and to be honest, those are better than ones now because those people experienced his presidency.

His approval rating at the end of his presidency was 68% 8)
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Postby Kingdom of Viana » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:56 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Majority of Americans see Raegan as an outstanding and phenomanl politician.

May I ask who do you think is a good president?

Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, FDR, Truman, and Eisenhower all spring to mind as good presidents.


Yes, but not Truman
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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:57 am

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Harpers Ferry wrote:It is Reagan, by the way.

Source that shows more than 50% of American populace idolizes Reagan, please.

And I see the Roosevelts and JFK as good presidents. I do not have one I consider the best however, or the definite worst for that matter.


I can only find ones during his time and to be honest, those are better than ones now because those people experienced his presidency.

And since then we've been experiencing the aftereffects of his presidency. And by the way, I did experience his presidency.
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Postby Laerod » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:57 am

Kingdom of Viana wrote:His approval rating at the end of his presidency was 68% 8)

So what?

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Postby Harpers Ferry » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:59 am

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Harpers Ferry wrote:It is Reagan, by the way.

Source that shows more than 50% of American populace idolizes Reagan, please.

And I see the Roosevelts and JFK as good presidents. I do not have one I consider the best however, or the definite worst for that matter.


I can only find ones during his time and to be honest, those are better than ones now because those people experienced his presidency.

His approval rating at the end of his presidency was 68% 8)

Not really, considering it is 2014 and his horrid policies can still be felt.
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Postby Kingdom of Viana » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:59 am

Harpers Ferry wrote:
Patrick OConner wrote:i know this sounds cliche but i have to say Obama his affordable care act failed (not to metion wreaking havoc on the economy) and he cant control our borders and that is just the start

I still adamantly believe Buchanan not doing anything and Jackson's policies against Native Americans far outweigh Obama in being "The Worst Ever".


Obama is an idiot. Now with a nice RED senate we can finally start restricting King Obama's power.
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Postby Harpers Ferry » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:59 am

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, FDR, Truman, and Eisenhower all spring to mind as good presidents.


Yes, but not Truman

Yes Truman.
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Postby Alyakia » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:00 pm

Laerod wrote:
Kingdom of Viana wrote:His approval rating at the end of his presidency was 68% 8)

So what?


that... actually seems quite high
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Postby Solorni » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:00 pm

Kaitjan wrote:Yeltsin. Yeltsin all the way. He had nothing of the (very few) redeeming qualities of Gorbachov. Shat on the whole country, shat on millions of people. We are still eating it by the bucketload. Thanks Yeltsin, you a real champ.

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Postby Harpers Ferry » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:00 pm

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Harpers Ferry wrote:I still adamantly believe Buchanan not doing anything and Jackson's policies against Native Americans far outweigh Obama in being "The Worst Ever".


Obama is an idiot. Now with a nice RED senate we can finally start restricting King Obama's power.

Yeah, sure he is a bad president. Not the worst by a long shot. But these claims of him being a tyrant and a King are juvenile and idiotic.
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Postby Bezombia » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:00 pm

Vashtanaraada wrote:
Laerod wrote:But why?


She destroyed my original hometown and community (Liverpool), all the facilities and desecrated the already improving education system with her economic and education policies, she put my great grandparents literally on the street due to the fact that their council house was sold off, and they couldn't afford to buy it (luckily they had relatives) even after my great grandfather lost his legs in the war. She didn't commit a penny to welfare and my family suffered for years in one of the most deprived areas of Liverpool, and indeed the country (Knotty Ash), and she did this without care nor empathy to those who suffered under it. Not to mention the thousands upon thousands of my fellow scousers lost their jobs in the docks, the public service and the shipping industry, of which she massacred in the pursuit of "fair global trade". She twisted the arm of Labour controlled councils to the point where even Liverpool County Council had turned into a radical Trotskyite faction and had to rebel against the government, just to build houses to keep up with demand, of I now live in one of those new houses on the outskirts of Bootle. Thatcher also supported that Pinochet guy in Chile, who sent death squads all over the place and massacred a load of peasants and political opponents. Great foreign policy Mrs T :)

Not to mention how daunting it was to see her fight over the Falklands with Argentina and sacrifice the lives of countless brave soldiers when the obvious solution could be to make the islands independent just like the rest of the British Empire and stop being such a nationalist. Talking about nationalism, she also fuelled the series of bad events in Northern Island and stupidly decided to let the IRA members on hunger strike die, instead of force-feeding them. I'm no supporter of the IRA, but she could've been a bit more moderate, especially when people's lives are at stake.

Again, I have to mention that the privatisation of public industries caused HUGE unemployment, and damned many of my father's generation to dead-end jobs if they were employed. Thatcher just didn't care, cut the vital taxes this country needed, spent it in aid of bad regimes and to combat the apparent threat the big bad Soviet Union (that was in no position to even think about war) had against us. She should've kept the public funds and the taxes, and instead of privatising industry - which led to the inflation - along with other events of energy and transport prices, benefiting the fat cats instead of the public/consumer.

In addition, Thatcher was quite homophobic, although I'm sure every scrap of evidence has been locked away or destroyed now - the Tories don't want her image to be damned as well as their own. Thatcher might have also had a vital role in the paedophile ring of Jimmy Saville, although I'm going to be honest - I only read this in a non-tabloid newspaper a few days ago.

There's my criticism.


Not to mention that she literally opposed the fall of the Berlin Wall.

Like...who does that?
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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:01 pm

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Harpers Ferry wrote:I still adamantly believe Buchanan not doing anything and Jackson's policies against Native Americans far outweigh Obama in being "The Worst Ever".


Obama is an idiot. Now with a nice RED senate we can finally start restricting King Obama's power.

You say stuff like this and expect to actually be taken seriously?
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Postby Bezombia » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:01 pm

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Harpers Ferry wrote:I still adamantly believe Buchanan not doing anything and Jackson's policies against Native Americans far outweigh Obama in being "The Worst Ever".


Obama is an idiot. Now with a nice RED senate we can finally start restricting King Obama's power.


Funny that you call him a "king", while most of the government's overreaching powers were granted by Bush Jr.
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