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The Confederacy of Nationalism
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Postby The Confederacy of Nationalism » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:55 am

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Kingdom of Viana wrote:
He dismantled the so called "Communist" economy of what is modern day Russia. Quit ignoring the facts. Why do you Democrats get so angry when a Republican excels?

I'm a Canadian. As well, one of my favourite Presidents is a Republican (Teddy Roosevelt). Reagan didn't dismantle anything, I'm sure the communists didn't bow down because of his wit. There were extreme economic issues going on at the time in the Soviet Union. I get angry when people call Reagan a good President because he was anything but. All personality but not a very intelligent or capable President.
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Capitalism has lasted a few hundred years. Feudalism lasted around 2,800

Feudalism is not a term used by most historians. It is outdated and incorrect.

Feudalism is a perfectly correct term.
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Postby Alexzanabbgggggg » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:55 am

Solorni wrote:
Kingdom of Viana wrote:
He dismantled the so called "Communist" economy of what is modern day Russia. Quit ignoring the facts. Why do you Democrats get so angry when a Republican excels?

I'm a Canadian. As well, one of my favourite Presidents is a Republican (Teddy Roosevelt). Reagan didn't dismantle anything, I'm sure the communists didn't bow down because of his wit. There were extreme economic issues going on at the time in the Soviet Union. I get angry when people call Reagan a good President because he was anything but. All personality but not a very intelligent or capable President.
Alexzanabbgggggg wrote:
Capitalism has lasted a few hundred years. Feudalism lasted around 2,800

Feudalism is not a term used by most historians. It is outdated and incorrect.


what would you use then?
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Postby Kingdom of Viana » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:56 am

Solorni wrote:
Kingdom of Viana wrote:
He dismantled the so called "Communist" economy of what is modern day Russia. Quit ignoring the facts. Why do you Democrats get so angry when a Republican excels?

I'm a Canadian. As well, one of my favourite Presidents is a Republican (Teddy Roosevelt). Reagan didn't dismantle anything, I'm sure the communists didn't bow down because of his wit. There were extreme economic issues going on at the time in the Soviet Union. I get angry when people call Reagan a good President because he was anything but. All personality but not a very intelligent or capable President.
Alexzanabbgggggg wrote:
Capitalism has lasted a few hundred years. Feudalism lasted around 2,800

Feudalism is not a term used by most historians. It is outdated and incorrect.


Teddy Roosevelt was a Democrat... :clap:
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Postby Alexzanabbgggggg » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:56 am

Alexzanabbgggggg wrote:
Solorni wrote:I'm a Canadian. As well, one of my favourite Presidents is a Republican (Teddy Roosevelt). Reagan didn't dismantle anything, I'm sure the communists didn't bow down because of his wit. There were extreme economic issues going on at the time in the Soviet Union. I get angry when people call Reagan a good President because he was anything but. All personality but not a very intelligent or capable President.
Feudalism is not a term used by most historians. It is outdated and incorrect.


what would you use then?


Wiki uses it
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Postby The Confederacy of Nationalism » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:56 am

Alexzanabbgggggg wrote:
The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:Feudalism was an interim system, private merchants existed long before feudalism and ever since the feudalist system collapsed.


Feudalism has existed since the first towns and cities

Isolated towns and cities, classical Greece and Rome certainly were't feudal.
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Postby Kingdom of Viana » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:57 am

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Solorni wrote:I'm a Canadian. As well, one of my favourite Presidents is a Republican (Teddy Roosevelt). Reagan didn't dismantle anything, I'm sure the communists didn't bow down because of his wit. There were extreme economic issues going on at the time in the Soviet Union. I get angry when people call Reagan a good President because he was anything but. All personality but not a very intelligent or capable President.
Feudalism is not a term used by most historians. It is outdated and incorrect.


Teddy Roosevelt was a Democrat... :clap:


Also if your a Canadian, then you have no real reason to argue with me about MY presidents.
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Postby Harpers Ferry » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:57 am

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Solorni wrote:I'm a Canadian. As well, one of my favourite Presidents is a Republican (Teddy Roosevelt). Reagan didn't dismantle anything, I'm sure the communists didn't bow down because of his wit. There were extreme economic issues going on at the time in the Soviet Union. I get angry when people call Reagan a good President because he was anything but. All personality but not a very intelligent or capable President.
Feudalism is not a term used by most historians. It is outdated and incorrect.


Teddy Roosevelt was a Democrat... :clap:

no....no he was not...
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Postby Brydog » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:58 am

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Solorni wrote:I feel like Nixon is a really mixed bag. Yes, Watergate was terrible. But the outreach to China was amazing.

EDIT: Reagan was really terrible though... one of the worst Presidents of all time.

Nixon wasn't a mixed bag. He was good. Not brilliant, but good. I mean, all those environmental laws in passed in 1970-1972 gotta count for something.


Also he had the enemies list.
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Postby Solorni » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:59 am

Alexzanabbgggggg wrote:
Solorni wrote:I'm a Canadian. As well, one of my favourite Presidents is a Republican (Teddy Roosevelt). Reagan didn't dismantle anything, I'm sure the communists didn't bow down because of his wit. There were extreme economic issues going on at the time in the Soviet Union. I get angry when people call Reagan a good President because he was anything but. All personality but not a very intelligent or capable President.
Feudalism is not a term used by most historians. It is outdated and incorrect.


what would you use then?


In 1974, U.S. historian Elizabeth A. R. Brown[4] rejected the label feudalism as an anachronism that imparts a false sense of uniformity to the concept. Having noted the current use of many, often contradictory, definitions of feudalism, she argued that the word is only a construct with no basis in medieval reality, an invention of modern historians read back "tyrannically" into the historical record. Supporters of Brown have suggested that the term should be expunged from history textbooks and lectures on medieval history entirely.[39] In Fiefs and Vassals: The Medieval Evidence Reinterpreted (1994),[5] Susan Reynolds expanded upon Brown's original thesis. Although some contemporaries questioned Reynolds's methodology, other historians have supported it and her argument.[39] Reynolds argues:

Too many models of feudalism used for comparisons, even by Marxists, are still either constructed on the sixteenth-century basis or incorporate what, in a Marxist view, must surely be superficial or irrelevant features from it. Even when one restricts oneself to Europe and to feudalism in its narrow sense it is extremely doubtful whether feudo-vassalic institutions formed a coherent bundle of institutions or concepts that were structurally separate from other institutions and concepts of the time. [40]

The term feudal has also been applied to non-Western societies in which institutions and attitudes similar to those of medieval Europe are perceived to have prevailed (See Examples of feudalism). Japan has been extensively studied in this regard.[41] Friday notes that in the 21st century historians of Japan rarely invoke feudalism; instead of looking at similarities, specialists attempting comparative analysis concentrate on fundamental differences.[42] Ultimately, critics say, the many ways the term feudalism has been used have deprived it of specific meaning, leading some historians and political theorists to reject it as a useful concept for understanding society.[39]

I know that at my University for example, we do not use that term for mediaeval history classes. But what term would I use instead? I don't think I would use a single term to describe all of Europe during the mediaeval ages. You could say that the transition was more of a rural to then urban sort of economics.
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Postby Kingdom of Viana » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:00 am

Harpers Ferry wrote:
Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Teddy Roosevelt was a Democrat... :clap:

no....no he was not...


My bad I was thinking of Franklin D. Roosevelt, forget about that one. :oops:
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Postby The Confederacy of Nationalism » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:00 am

Solorni wrote:
Alexzanabbgggggg wrote:
what would you use then?


In 1974, U.S. historian Elizabeth A. R. Brown[4] rejected the label feudalism as an anachronism that imparts a false sense of uniformity to the concept. Having noted the current use of many, often contradictory, definitions of feudalism, she argued that the word is only a construct with no basis in medieval reality, an invention of modern historians read back "tyrannically" into the historical record. Supporters of Brown have suggested that the term should be expunged from history textbooks and lectures on medieval history entirely.[39] In Fiefs and Vassals: The Medieval Evidence Reinterpreted (1994),[5] Susan Reynolds expanded upon Brown's original thesis. Although some contemporaries questioned Reynolds's methodology, other historians have supported it and her argument.[39] Reynolds argues:

Too many models of feudalism used for comparisons, even by Marxists, are still either constructed on the sixteenth-century basis or incorporate what, in a Marxist view, must surely be superficial or irrelevant features from it. Even when one restricts oneself to Europe and to feudalism in its narrow sense it is extremely doubtful whether feudo-vassalic institutions formed a coherent bundle of institutions or concepts that were structurally separate from other institutions and concepts of the time. [40]

The term feudal has also been applied to non-Western societies in which institutions and attitudes similar to those of medieval Europe are perceived to have prevailed (See Examples of feudalism). Japan has been extensively studied in this regard.[41] Friday notes that in the 21st century historians of Japan rarely invoke feudalism; instead of looking at similarities, specialists attempting comparative analysis concentrate on fundamental differences.[42] Ultimately, critics say, the many ways the term feudalism has been used have deprived it of specific meaning, leading some historians and political theorists to reject it as a useful concept for understanding society.[39]

I know that at my University for example, we do not use that term for mediaeval history classes. But what term would I use instead? I don't think I would use a single term to describe all of Europe during the mediaeval ages. You could say that the transition was more of a rural to then urban sort of economics.

that's ridiculous, feudalism is absolutely the correct and accurate term.
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Postby Kelinfort » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:00 am

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Teddy Roosevelt was a Democrat... :clap:


Also if your a Canadian, then you have no real reason to argue with me about MY presidents.

:rofl:

You know less about them than she does.
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Postby Solorni » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:04 am

Kelinfort wrote:
Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Also if your a Canadian, then you have no real reason to argue with me about MY presidents.

:rofl:

You know less about them than he does.

*She. But yeah.... Viana, didn't even know Teddy was a Republican :P

I sure can argue with you about your Presidents!
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Postby Kelinfort » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:05 am

Solorni wrote:
Kelinfort wrote: :rofl:

You know less about them than he does.

*She. But yeah.... Viana, didn't even know Teddy was a Republican :P

I sure can argue with you about your Presidents!

Whoops, fixed :p

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Postby Shadowlandrea » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:07 am

Ronald Reagan. It's a pity there is no hell for him to be rotting in.

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Postby Harpers Ferry » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:08 am

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Harpers Ferry wrote:no....no he was not...


My bad I was thinking of Franklin D. Roosevelt, forget about that one. :oops:

Then I think a Canadian is allowed to argue you about presidents when they have demonstrated better knowledge on he subject.
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Postby Aurulie » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:12 am

George W Bush

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Postby Harpers Ferry » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:13 am

Aurulie wrote:George W Bush

How so?
Kingdom of Viana wrote:I don't need specific evidence to prove something that is obviously true.
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:19 am

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CTALNH wrote:For greece its every leader ever since we became independent except kapodistrias.


^Yup

He is literally the only bastard that cared for our country and he got murdered for it.
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Postby Stasnov » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:26 am

CTALNH wrote:
Stasnov wrote:
^Yup

He is literally the only bastard that cared for our country and he got murdered for it.


Well, us Greeks can be idiots some times.

That is, most times.
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Postby Kingdom of Viana » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:33 am

Harpers Ferry wrote:
Kingdom of Viana wrote:
My bad I was thinking of Franklin D. Roosevelt, forget about that one. :oops:

Then I think a Canadian is allowed to argue you about presidents when they have demonstrated better knowledge on he subject.


Just because I mistaken the the political parties of two different presidents with the same last name doesn't mean that the Canadian knows more about America than I do :roll:
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:39 am

Stasnov wrote:
CTALNH wrote:He is literally the only bastard that cared for our country and he got murdered for it.


Well, us Greeks can be idiots some times.

That is, most times.

I think you mean all the time.
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Postby Harpers Ferry » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:39 am

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Harpers Ferry wrote:Then I think a Canadian is allowed to argue you about presidents when they have demonstrated better knowledge on he subject.


Just because I mistaken the the political parties of two different presidents with the same last name doesn't mean that the Canadian knows more about America than I do :roll:

And just because he is Canadian does not mean he is disqualified from the subject either.
Kingdom of Viana wrote:I don't need specific evidence to prove something that is obviously true.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:39 am

The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:
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Not to make this personal, but as my daughter cannot breathe on her own, and we cannot under any circumstances afford the equipment and treatment that it is taking to keep her alive until she is strong enough to do so (likely three to four years at a minimum), the implementation of your views would mean a slow and agonizing death for her. You'll understand, I'm sure, that I therefore look upon your views with some skepticism.

Honestly, if it's going to take 3 or 4 years for your daughter to just be able to breathe, you might as well just show some mercy and take her off the ventilator.

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Postby Kingdom of Viana » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:40 am

Kelinfort wrote:
Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Also if your a Canadian, then you have no real reason to argue with me about MY presidents.

:rofl:

You know less about them than she does.


Yeah because Im stupid for mistaking the political parties of two presidents with literally the same last name. You liberals can't handle the fact that Raegan was probably the best pres. Of the USA and you can't change history.
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