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Elepis
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Postby Elepis » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:33 am

The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:
Elepis wrote: so you want more MEDC's then New Zealand will collapse along side Belgium, the Netherlands, UK, Norway, Sweden, Qatar, Kuwait, Indonesia, Denmark, Ireland just to name some out of many

Too bad


Total global economic and cultural collapse and you say to bad!
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Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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Elepis
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Postby Elepis » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:33 am

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Elepis wrote:
Learn history. The powerful Banks came about in the 15th century CE (AD). Businesses started in the 20th century BCE (BC).

And governments loaning and lending money predate both


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Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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Arkinesia
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Postby Arkinesia » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:33 am

Solorni wrote:I feel like Nixon is a really mixed bag. Yes, Watergate was terrible. But the outreach to China was amazing.

EDIT: Reagan was really terrible though... one of the worst Presidents of all time.

Nixon wasn't a mixed bag. He was good. Not brilliant, but good. I mean, all those environmental laws in passed in 1970-1972 gotta count for something.
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Kingdom of Viana
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Postby Kingdom of Viana » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:33 am

Solorni wrote:I feel like Nixon is a really mixed bag. Yes, Watergate was terrible. But the outreach to China was amazing.


He was a phenomenal politician, had it all. Too bad he had to blowout with the watergate scandal. He would've been great.
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The Confederacy of Nationalism
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Postby The Confederacy of Nationalism » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:34 am

Elepis wrote:
The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:Too bad


Total global economic and cultural collapse and you say to bad!

Yes, if the free market leads us to extinction, so be it. If it leads us to prosperity, so be it, but I will stand beside capitalism until I'm shoveled into my grave.
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Stasnov
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Postby Stasnov » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:34 am

CTALNH wrote:For greece its every leader ever since we became independent except kapodistrias.


^Yup
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Kelinfort
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Postby Kelinfort » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:35 am

The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:
Elepis wrote:
Total global economic and cultural collapse and you say to bad!

Yes, if the free market leads us to extinction, so be it. If it leads us to prosperity, so be it, but I will stand beside capitalism until I'm shoveled into my grave.

That's oddly backward. Standing by a system as it crumbles before your very eyes (and capitalism is not, for the record) is ludicrous.

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Kingdom of Viana
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Postby Kingdom of Viana » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:36 am

Solorni wrote:I feel like Nixon is a really mixed bag. Yes, Watergate was terrible. But the outreach to China was amazing.

EDIT: Reagan was really terrible though... one of the worst Presidents of all time.


How was Reagan bad?! If you think that then you are out of your mind! He was great! Plus have you ever heard of Jimmy Carter?
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Postby Arkinesia » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:38 am

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Solorni wrote:I feel like Nixon is a really mixed bag. Yes, Watergate was terrible. But the outreach to China was amazing.

EDIT: Reagan was really terrible though... one of the worst Presidents of all time.


How was Reagan bad?! If you think that then you are out of your mind! He was great! Plus have you ever heard of Jimmy Carter?

Reagan squandered Carter's economic momentum and like Harding and Coolidge before him engendered the “greed is good” mentality that now poisons American business.

Reagan also massively ramped up the national debt for no goddamn reason and his ways of dealing with the Soviet Union were embarrassing.
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The Confederacy of Nationalism
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Postby The Confederacy of Nationalism » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:39 am

Kelinfort wrote:
The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:Yes, if the free market leads us to extinction, so be it. If it leads us to prosperity, so be it, but I will stand beside capitalism until I'm shoveled into my grave.

That's oddly backward. Standing by a system as it crumbles before your very eyes (and capitalism is not, for the record) is ludicrous.

It's not ludicrous because capitalism cannot fail, economies will experience downturns, but they almost always rebound.
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Bojikami
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Postby Bojikami » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:40 am

The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:That's oddly backward. Standing by a system as it crumbles before your very eyes (and capitalism is not, for the record) is ludicrous.

It's not ludicrous because capitalism cannot fail, economies will experience downturns, but they almost always rebound.

Cannot fail? Good sir, every ideology fails and is replaced eventually.
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Solorni
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Postby Solorni » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:41 am

The peanut farmer, I don't think Carter was a good President but he definitely was an amazing human being who also came in during bad circumstances. The reason I dislike Reagan is the whole economic system he espoused which was fairly non-nonsensical in the long term. Trickle down economics does not work and it has simply resulted in huge amounts of government debt, personal debt and faster growing inequality. As well, he removed the law which required news organizations to have to back up claims with facts. This is a big difference between Canada and the U.S. and which is why the U.S. has Fox News and other rather insane news organizations while Canada does not.
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The Confederacy of Nationalism
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Postby The Confederacy of Nationalism » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:42 am

Bojikami wrote:
The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:It's not ludicrous because capitalism cannot fail, economies will experience downturns, but they almost always rebound.

Cannot fail? Good sir, every ideology fails and is replaced eventually.

Capitalism, no matter how low it will fall and how far it will bend, will never break.
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Kingdom of Viana
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Postby Kingdom of Viana » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:43 am

Arkinesia wrote:
Kingdom of Viana wrote:
How was Reagan bad?! If you think that then you are out of your mind! He was great! Plus have you ever heard of Jimmy Carter?

Reagan squandered Carter's economic momentum and like Harding and Coolidge before him engendered the “greed is good” mentality that now poisons American business.

Reagan also massively ramped up the national debt for no goddamn reason and his ways of dealing with the Soviet Union were embarrassing.


Jimmy Carter and the Democrats were the ones who screwed the economy up Ex. "The Energy Crisis" Reagan was the one who saved the economy. And how were his actions towards the USSR embarrassing? He dismantled a dictatorship claiming to have a communist economy when really they were a Command Socialism. Whether you Democrats like it or not, Raegan is looked upon as one of America's greatest presidents and you can't change history.
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Solorni
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Postby Solorni » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:44 am

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:Reagan squandered Carter's economic momentum and like Harding and Coolidge before him engendered the “greed is good” mentality that now poisons American business.

Reagan also massively ramped up the national debt for no goddamn reason and his ways of dealing with the Soviet Union were embarrassing.


Jimmy Carter and the Democrats were the ones who screwed the economy up Ex. "The Energy Crisis" Reagan was the one who saved the economy. And how were his actions towards the USSR embarrassing? He dismantled a dictatorship claiming to have a communist economy when really they were a Command Socialism. Whether you Democrats like it or not, Raegan is looked upon as one of America's greatest presidents and you can't change history.

Reagan didn't dismantle anything :P
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Postby Bojikami » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:45 am

The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:
Bojikami wrote:Cannot fail? Good sir, every ideology fails and is replaced eventually.

Capitalism, no matter how low it will fall and how far it will bend, will never break.

That's, that's pretty illogical and ridiculous.

But again, let us get back to the topic of this thread, yea?
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The Confederacy of Nationalism
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Postby The Confederacy of Nationalism » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:47 am

Bojikami wrote:
The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:Capitalism, no matter how low it will fall and how far it will bend, will never break.

That's, that's pretty illogical and ridiculous.

But again, let us get back to the topic of this thread, yea?

Well, find a system that's worked better and longer than has capitalism.
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Alexzanabbgggggg
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Postby Alexzanabbgggggg » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:48 am

The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:
Bojikami wrote:Cannot fail? Good sir, every ideology fails and is replaced eventually.

Capitalism, no matter how low it will fall and how far it will bend, will never break.


They said the same about feudalism
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Postby Kingdom of Viana » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:48 am

Solorni wrote:
Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Jimmy Carter and the Democrats were the ones who screwed the economy up Ex. "The Energy Crisis" Reagan was the one who saved the economy. And how were his actions towards the USSR embarrassing? He dismantled a dictatorship claiming to have a communist economy when really they were a Command Socialism. Whether you Democrats like it or not, Raegan is looked upon as one of America's greatest presidents and you can't change history.

Reagan didn't dismantle anything :P


He dismantled the so called "Communist" economy of what is modern day Russia. Quit ignoring the facts. Why do you Democrats get so angry when a Republican excels?
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Postby Alexzanabbgggggg » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:49 am

The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:
Bojikami wrote:That's, that's pretty illogical and ridiculous.

But again, let us get back to the topic of this thread, yea?

Well, find a system that's worked better and longer than has capitalism.


Capitalism has lasted a few hundred years. Feudalism lasted around 2,800
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Postby Bojikami » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:50 am

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Solorni wrote:Reagan didn't dismantle anything :P


He dismantled the so called "Communist" economy of what is modern day Russia. Quit ignoring the facts. Why do you Democrats get so angry when a Republican excels?

No, no he did not. He took advantage of Gorbachev's weaknesses.
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Postby Harpers Ferry » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:52 am

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Solorni wrote:Reagan didn't dismantle anything :P


He dismantled the so called "Communist" economy of what is modern day Russia. Quit ignoring the facts. Why do you Democrats get so angry when a Republican excels?

No he didn't.
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Solorni
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Postby Solorni » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:53 am

Kingdom of Viana wrote:
Solorni wrote:Reagan didn't dismantle anything :P


He dismantled the so called "Communist" economy of what is modern day Russia. Quit ignoring the facts. Why do you Democrats get so angry when a Republican excels?

I'm a Canadian. As well, one of my favourite Presidents is a Republican (Teddy Roosevelt). Reagan didn't dismantle anything, I'm sure the communists didn't bow down because of his wit. There were extreme economic issues going on at the time in the Soviet Union. I get angry when people call Reagan a good President because he was anything but. All personality but not a very intelligent or capable President.
Alexzanabbgggggg wrote:
The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:Well, find a system that's worked better and longer than has capitalism.


Capitalism has lasted a few hundred years. Feudalism lasted around 2,800

Feudalism is not a term used by most historians. It is outdated and incorrect.
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The Confederacy of Nationalism
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Postby The Confederacy of Nationalism » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:54 am

Alexzanabbgggggg wrote:
The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:Well, find a system that's worked better and longer than has capitalism.


Capitalism has lasted a few hundred years. Feudalism lasted around 2,800

Feudalism was an interim system, private merchants existed long before feudalism and ever since the feudalist system collapsed.
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Postby Alexzanabbgggggg » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:55 am

The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:
Alexzanabbgggggg wrote:
Capitalism has lasted a few hundred years. Feudalism lasted around 2,800

Feudalism was an interim system, private merchants existed long before feudalism and ever since the feudalist system collapsed.


Feudalism has existed since the first towns and cities
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