Worst Leader your (RL) Country ever had?

[Elepis]

1. Which is killing us all, thanks America, land of evil and the brainwashed (you being a perfect example)
2. No, they would drill in Alaska
3. Why? No country is a democracy, no matter who you vote for, you will just get the same evil private companies running your life
4. How?

1. Well, America's benefiting from it, so maybe the world should start to fight back if they don't like it.
2. Alaska is already being drilled plenty, there's not really much room for more corporations there.
3. If I felt that if every candidate was corrupt, I'd run for office myself to remedy the issue.
4. What is aid money?

Also, your 'evil private companies' pay our fucking salaries, I really have no incentive to hate them because they pay me.

1. Typical, always thinking for your self, not the other 6 billion people on the planet
2. Ok, say Canda or Greenland then
3. Yeah, like you'd win, Even if you did you would just be a pawn of the companies of the world
4. Not enough

Also, the State can provide allot more, in Cuba, they pay for your food, water, health care and more. In China, if you world for the state they pay for your weddings

[Vashtanaraada]

Guys, the topic is "Worst Leader your Country ever had".

I concur.

THATCHER

[Bojikami]

Nice way to twist words and take them out of context.

It is "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." Not that anti-communist bullshit you are trying to throw.

But I agree, we should get back on topic.

Precisely, the world -specifically America's- need for cheap oil is greater than than the sovereignty of middle eastern countries.

No? You are comparing two different things.

Perhaps the world -specifically America- should become less dependent on Oil?

[Alyakia]

Nice way to twist words and take them out of context.

It is "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." Not that anti-communist bullshit you are trying to throw.

But I agree, we should get back on topic.

Precisely, the world -specifically America's- need for cheap oil is greater than than the sovereignty of middle eastern countries.

would you say that it is ok to override the sovereignty of the companies that own the oil, as individuals, in order to benefit the collective you are part of?

[Elepis]

Also, USA has killed around 20-30 million people since 1945, thanks! We just love being killed outside the states

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j ... a7V1CptQGQ

And how much has the US population grown since 1945? Probably more than 20 or 30 million people.

It has also ruined the lives of all their family's so that's another 90 million. Anyway, do you really think that only the USA matters?

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

1. Well, America's benefiting from it, so maybe the world should start to fight back if they don't like it.
2. Alaska is already being drilled plenty, there's not really much room for more corporations there.
3. If I felt that if every candidate was corrupt, I'd run for office myself to remedy the issue.
4. What is aid money?

Also, your 'evil private companies' pay our fucking salaries, I really have no incentive to hate them because they pay me.

1. Typical, always thinking for your self, not the other 6 billion people on the planet
2. Ok, say Canda or Greenland then
3. Yeah, like you'd win, Even if you did you would just be a pawn of the companies of the world
4. Not enough

Also, the State can provide allot more, in Cuba, they pay for your food, water, health care and more. In China, if you world for the state they pay for your weddings

The state doesn't pay for jack shit, the taxpayer carries the burden, don't confuse yourself.

[Elepis]

Guys, the topic is "Worst Leader your Country ever had".

I concur.

THATCHER

Yes, Thatcher. I would also say Charles's 1 & 2

[Anglo-California]

Honorable mention: John Adams (Alien and Sedition Acts) Bush Jr. (need I say more?). James Buchanan or Calvin Coolidge. The man who let the country fall into civil war and the man who did absolutely nothing about the Great Depression respectively. Both of your listed presidents I think are better than average. Wilson's 14 points would have taken the wind out of the sails of Hitler during his rise (he received a lot of common support from his countrymen through his criticism of the Treaty of Versailles). Barack Obama may be rather inefficient, but since 2010 he has been fighting a Republican controlled House and has been heavily impeded in what he wanted to do. I'm not saying he's in my top 10 or anything, but I AM saying that there are far worse. Also, I think you are far too hasty in declaring Woodrow Wilson the worst president in the history of the US because while he did have his flaws, his 14 points might have been able to prevent the bloodiest war in HUMAN HISTORY.

Wilson's curtailing of freedoms would make John Adams smile.

However, World War I thankfully destroyed many European ethnic identities in the United States and brought about a strong feeling of Americaness. But I guess we have Theodore Roosevelt to thank for that.

[The Silver Bloods]

Barack Obama

Jimmy Carter

Lyndon B. Johnson

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

Precisely, the world -specifically America's- need for cheap oil is greater than than the sovereignty of middle eastern countries.

would you say that it is ok to override the sovereignty of the companies that own the oil, as individuals, in order to benefit the collective you are part of?

No, the companies are the ones benefiting us, there'd be no reason to violate their sovereignty of it. The oil companies are on our side, the middle eastern governments aren't.

[Elepis]

1. Typical, always thinking for your self, not the other 6 billion people on the planet
2. Ok, say Canda or Greenland then
3. Yeah, like you'd win, Even if you did you would just be a pawn of the companies of the world
4. Not enough

Also, the State can provide allot more, in Cuba, they pay for your food, water, health care and more. In China, if you world for the state they pay for your weddings

The state doesn't pay for jack shit, the taxpayer carries the burden, don't confuse yourself.

Exactly, you pay say 2 dollars for your wedding which would coast 1000's in a capie country

[Kxcd]

Buchanan, Reagan, Coolidge, maybe Bush II can all take the cake, the exploding cake, up their asses.

[Kelinfort]

America -

Jimmy Carter

Barack Obama

You've never heard of Buchanan, Pierce, Grant, or Harding, have you?

Also, evidence?

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

Precisely, the world -specifically America's- need for cheap oil is greater than than the sovereignty of middle eastern countries.

No? You are comparing two different things.

Perhaps the world -specifically America- should become less dependent on Oil?

We can be less dependent on oil when there is a reason to be less dependent on it. The free market is the free market, and as long as oil is cheaper, we will use it.

[Alyakia]

would you say that it is ok to override the sovereignty of the companies that own the oil, as individuals, in order to benefit the collective you are part of?

No, the companies are the ones benefiting us, there'd be no reason to violate their sovereignty of it. The oil companies are on our side, the middle eastern governments aren't.

what if they decided to do something you didn't like, like say, not use USD as their main currency?

[Belique]

King Leopold IV was the undisputed worst leader. He had only 6 days on the throne before he was murdered by a peasant when the palace guard failed to protect him. In his few short days he began to legalize abortion, institute Unions, and process a Constitution. (While this may all seem like a good thing, Belique has very supportive and ethical businesses and people, and these measures alienated them.)

[Elepis]

would you say that it is ok to override the sovereignty of the companies that own the oil, as individuals, in order to benefit the collective you are part of?

No, the companies are the ones benefiting us, there'd be no reason to violate their sovereignty of it. The oil companies are on our side, the middle eastern governments aren't.

So people who are melting our ice caps, which will one day lead to the flooding of New York, London, St Petersburg, Venice and much more, our on our side> How do you figure that out.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

The state doesn't pay for jack shit, the taxpayer carries the burden, don't confuse yourself.

Exactly, you pay say 2 dollars for your wedding which would coast 1000's in a capie country

Well, I don't plan to get married, so it doesn't benefit me in the slightest to pay for everyone else's weddings and not get a return investment.

[Belique]

Buchanan, Reagan, Coolidge, maybe Bush II can all take the cake, the exploding cake, up their asses.

Reagan? Are you insane?

[Elepis]

No? You are comparing two different things.

Perhaps the world -specifically America- should become less dependent on Oil?

We can be less dependent on oil when there is a reason to be less dependent on it. The free market is the free market, and as long as oil is cheaper, we will use it.

bye bye Human race

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

No, the companies are the ones benefiting us, there'd be no reason to violate their sovereignty of it. The oil companies are on our side, the middle eastern governments aren't.

So people who are melting our ice caps, which will one day lead to the flooding of New York, London, St Petersburg, Venice and much more, our on our side> How do you figure that out.

The oil companies like selling things in USD, they like being able to sell to countries like the US with large demand for oil because they make more money.

[Bojikami]

No? You are comparing two different things.

Perhaps the world -specifically America- should become less dependent on Oil?

We can be less dependent on oil when there is a reason to be less dependent on it. The free market is the free market, and as long as oil is cheaper, we will use it.

Or at least until it runs out, when your precious Free Market will be to blame for the poverty.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

We can be less dependent on oil when there is a reason to be less dependent on it. The free market is the free market, and as long as oil is cheaper, we will use it.

bye bye Human race

So be it.

[Elepis]

Exactly, you pay say 2 dollars for your wedding which would coast 1000's in a capie country

Well, I don't plan to get married, so it doesn't benefit me in the slightest to pay for everyone else's weddings and not get a return investment.

health care you use that, food, you eat that, water, you drink that, electricity you are using that now. Wouldn't it be so much better if it was cheaper and state run?

[Kelinfort]

Wilson's curtailing of freedoms would make John Adams smile.

However, World War I thankfully destroyed many European ethnic identities in the United States and brought about a strong feeling of Americaness. But I guess we have Theodore Roosevelt to thank for that.

Which ones? The Polish, German, Irish, Italian remain pretty strong nationally. Not to mention, the Armenians in Southern California, the Jewish, Greeks and Swedes in sparse parts of the nation, and Lithuanians in Chicago. The identities never died, just receded.

Ethnic nationalism really died down though.